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#76 Post by onzio » Wed 30 Oct 2019, 1:58 pm

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#77 Post by shaunh7 » Fri 01 Nov 2019, 6:57 pm

Number 1 in the physical and vinyl uk charts and number 4 in sales but not in the overall top 100ImageImageImage

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#78 Post by ArtHist » Fri 01 Nov 2019, 7:24 pm

Abba/Voulez Vous at no.4.......ummm whaaa?

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#79 Post by romy » Fri 01 Nov 2019, 7:54 pm

That says all about these Charts.The records,where the people most pay money for,are nothing in the overall charts.Records you can have,without pay for it,only streaming,are high in the overall Charts.I describe this as unfair.
Why does it call official sales charts,when sales aren't important?

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#80 Post by Patrick Bateman » Sat 02 Nov 2019, 12:20 am

Wow, that's amazing - so PSB had the fourth best-selling single this week! I knew that streaming had changed things but never realised just how much.....

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#81 Post by Spittingcat » Sat 02 Nov 2019, 2:24 am

Well… that’s why a single should be released on physical formats, download and streaming platforms all in the same week.

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#82 Post by ZiggyPSB » Sat 02 Nov 2019, 1:29 pm

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Well… that’s why a single should be released on physical formats, download and streaming platforms all in the same week.
Gee you’d think PSB didn’t care about having a chart hit.
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#83 Post by Nickname » Sat 02 Nov 2019, 1:41 pm

ZiggyPSB wrote:
Sat 02 Nov 2019, 1:29 pm
Spittingcat wrote:
Sat 02 Nov 2019, 2:24 am
Well… that’s why a single should be released on physical formats, download and streaming platforms all in the same week.
Gee you’d think PSB didn’t care about having a chart hit.
Do you really believe they wouldn't like to have another hit?

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#84 Post by Kiran » Sat 02 Nov 2019, 4:52 pm

ArtHist wrote:Abba/Voulez Vous at no.4.......ummm whaaa?
4 Abba tracks in the top 20. Difficult to think the physical chart is that relevant....
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#85 Post by sbazb » Sat 02 Nov 2019, 6:00 pm

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ArtHist wrote:Abba/Voulez Vous at no.4.......ummm whaaa?
4 Abba tracks in the top 20. Difficult to think the physical chart is that relevant....
It's the number 4 position in the Sales chart that should be celebrated. This represents how the chart used to be compiled before the inclusion of streaming, and it's a long time since PSB have charted this high on it. Dreamland already peaked at 38 on this chart, on downloads only, before the physical formats were released last week, so the jump up to the Top 5 shows there is still demand for a product you can hold in your hand, although the chart positions in the vinyl/physical charts are misleading on their own.

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#86 Post by alig » Sat 02 Nov 2019, 8:30 pm

But physical sales do not include downloads, do they?
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#87 Post by Disco. » Sat 02 Nov 2019, 9:46 pm

No.

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#88 Post by Nickname » Sun 03 Nov 2019, 4:05 pm

sbazb wrote:
Sat 02 Nov 2019, 6:00 pm
Kiran wrote:
Sat 02 Nov 2019, 4:52 pm
ArtHist wrote:Abba/Voulez Vous at no.4.......ummm whaaa?
4 Abba tracks in the top 20. Difficult to think the physical chart is that relevant....
It's the number 4 position in the Sales chart that should be celebrated. This represents how the chart used to be compiled before the inclusion of streaming, and it's a long time since PSB have charted this high on it. Dreamland already peaked at 38 on this chart, on downloads only, before the physical formats were released last week, so the jump up to the Top 5 shows there is still demand for a product you can hold in your hand, although the chart positions in the vinyl/physical charts are misleading on their own.
Could we guess the chart position taking into account physical sales this week (if it was released at the same time it was included on streaming) + dowloads (first week)?.

Do you think PSB could have a Top 10 there?.

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#89 Post by sbazb » Sun 03 Nov 2019, 8:50 pm

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Sun 03 Nov 2019, 4:05 pm
sbazb wrote:
Sat 02 Nov 2019, 6:00 pm

It's the number 4 position in the Sales chart that should be celebrated. This represents how the chart used to be compiled before the inclusion of streaming, and it's a long time since PSB have charted this high on it. Dreamland already peaked at 38 on this chart, on downloads only, before the physical formats were released last week, so the jump up to the Top 5 shows there is still demand for a product you can hold in your hand, although the chart positions in the vinyl/physical charts are misleading on their own.
Could we guess the chart position taking into account physical sales this week (if it was released at the same time it was included on streaming) + dowloads (first week)?.

Do you think PSB could have a Top 10 there?.
The problem is that the download/streaming version was originally released on a Wednesday (11 September), so there were only two days of downloads/streams to count before it entered the chart on the Friday (13 September), rather than a full week. Dreamland still managed to reach 56 on the Download chart and 57 on the Sales chart after two days, but was nowhere to be seen on the Streaming chart.

If all formats including physical had been released on the same day, on a Friday, it probably would have charted high on the Sales chart (no streams counted) possibly higher than its current peak of 4, but it's difficult to say what position as we don't know the actual sales figures on each format, or of the other singles released at the same time.

In terms of charting on the overall Top 100 (including streaming), if all formats had been released at the same time, it may have charted somewhere, but I severely doubt it would been a Top 40 position, as the amount of streams logged for the songs by the most popular artists of today will vastly outnumber those for Pet Shop Boys, even with a bit of a boost from Years and Years fans.

I had a quick Google around, and back in 2016 the number of streams logged each week in the UK was approx 990 million! This figure will probably be a lot higher now. The chart rules try to compensate by stating that 150 streams equals 1 sale. 'Shape of You' by Ed Sheeran had 14.2 million streams in one week back in 2017, which converts to 94,666 sales, enough to be number 1 on streams alone. To get into the official Top 40, on average you need about 8000 sales.

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#90 Post by ArtHist » Sun 03 Nov 2019, 11:17 pm

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It's the number 4 position in the Sales chart that should be celebrated. This represents how the chart used to be compiled before the inclusion of streaming, and it's a long time since PSB have charted this high on it. Dreamland already peaked at 38 on this chart, on downloads only, before the physical formats were released last week, so the jump up to the Top 5 shows there is still demand for a product you can hold in your hand, although the chart positions in the vinyl/physical charts are misleading on their own.
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The demand you mention is ultimately from lifelong fans and completists. I can't imagine anyone else would buy a physical release by the Boys. Years and Years fans are likely the younger demographic who consume music via Youtube, downloads and streaming.

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