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Can Barack Obama win the presidential election ?

Yes he can.
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79%
No he can't.
8
21%
 
Total votes: 39

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#196 Post by alig »

alig wrote:
Dipso wrote:
Danny C wrote: Apparently it is hard to find - if you have the computer skills of an artichoke. It took me all of 3 seconds on Google:

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Hawaii acceded to the Union in 1959. Obama was born in 1961. Now I know you're the dumbest piece of white trash shit this side of the Atlantic, but even you must know that 1959 came before 1961.

Incidentally, McCain was born in Panama. I wonder why that doesn't bother you? Oh, that's right - he's not black and his dad wasn't an African of Muslim descent.
I will just quote that in case you are on "ignore"!
It is well known that this is a forgery. It's been widely discussed on the internet Or do you think this lawsuit is just imaginary?
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#197 Post by BlueSwan »

alig wrote:The vast majority of Republicans voted for it while about 80% of Democrats opposed it. If it hadn't been for the vast majority of of Republicans, it would have never passed.
That's just not true, though. More than 60% of house and senate democrats voted for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
The fact remains that the Democrats are the party of KKK. It is also a fact that the Democrats destroyed the black families and ghettoized them because the Democrats need as many people as possible dependent on government handouts. That way the Democrats can basically bribe black voters to vote for them with handouts. Thus, they keep them dependent and secure their vote. This is what they've been doing all the time. Imagine the blacks didn't live in ghettos anymore and paid their own way! No more black votes for Democrats! Famous black people such as Bill Cosby have seen through the Democrat lies and know that they are crooks. And yet, you people are still supporting Obama, a guy who voted for infanticide....says a lot about you.
Jeez, do you get all of your news from Rush Limbaugh?

1) Obama didn't vote for infanticide. He voted against a bill banning partial-birth adoption because said bill didn't take the health of the mother into account. He couldn't live with that. Voting records are distorted like that all of the time. Obama is on record stating that he is against partial-birth adoptions.

2) Everyone will agree with you that the democratic party USED to be the party of southern rednecks. However, that hasn't been the case for decades. During the last 30 years southern rednecks have consistently voted for the Republicans.
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#198 Post by BlueSwan »

Here's what the independent truth-seekers at politifact have to say about the non-issue of the birth certificate:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... e-part-ii/
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#199 Post by alig »

BlueSwan wrote:
alig wrote:The vast majority of Republicans voted for it while about 80% of Democrats opposed it. If it hadn't been for the vast majority of of Republicans, it would have never passed.
That's just not true, though. More than 60% of house and senate democrats voted for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
The fact remains that the Democrats are the party of KKK. It is also a fact that the Democrats destroyed the black families and ghettoized them because the Democrats need as many people as possible dependent on government handouts. That way the Democrats can basically bribe black voters to vote for them with handouts. Thus, they keep them dependent and secure their vote. This is what they've been doing all the time. Imagine the blacks didn't live in ghettos anymore and paid their own way! No more black votes for Democrats! Famous black people such as Bill Cosby have seen through the Democrat lies and know that they are crooks. And yet, you people are still supporting Obama, a guy who voted for infanticide....says a lot about you.
Jeez, do you get all of your news from Rush Limbaugh?

1) Obama didn't vote for infanticide. He voted against a bill banning partial-birth adoption because said bill didn't take the health of the mother into account. He couldn't live with that. Voting records are distorted like that all of the time. Obama is on record stating that he is against partial-birth adoptions.

2) Everyone will agree with you that the democratic party USED to be the party of southern rednecks. However, that hasn't been the case for decades. During the last 30 years southern rednecks have consistently voted for the Republicans.
1) You are buying into Obama's lies. He did vote for it. You used the same fallacious argument as Obama did. He did vote for it. And he voted for letting the baby starve to death. But I guess when he was pressed at the third debate he went on "record" lying that he is against it.

2) Yet another Democrat cliché. Democrats are racists and sexists. Why did Obama get the nomination? because he is BLACK, not because of his non-extant merits. Why the hullaballoo over Hillary? Because of her gender. You Democrats see everything through the prism of race and sex. You are always desperate to find some minorities to exploit. You don't care about merits but only about discirminating people based on their gender and race.
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#200 Post by alig »

BlueSwan wrote:Here's what the independent truth-seekers at politifact have to say about the non-issue of the birth certificate:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... e-part-ii/
Truth seekers are rarely independent. This is an old article from June. This lawsuit is NOW. Obama failed to respond to the allegations. He basically admitted he is guilty.
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#201 Post by BlueSwan »

alig wrote:
BlueSwan wrote:Here's what the independent truth-seekers at politifact have to say about the non-issue of the birth certificate:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... e-part-ii/
Truth seekers are rarely independent. This is an old article from June. This lawsuit is NOW. Obama failed to respond to the allegations. He basically admitted he is guilty.
Well, seeing as not even Foxnews or Rush Limbaugh are talking about this lawsuit, could it be that NOONE IS TAKING IT SERIOUSLY. Except the most loony of the loony extreme right wing?
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#202 Post by Fugitive1979 »

alig wrote:Obama failed to respond to the allegations. He basically admitted he is guilty.
Or, more likely, he thought it was utterly absurd and couldn't be bothered wasting his time responding to it.
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#203 Post by BlueSwan »

alig wrote:1) You are buying into Obama's lies. He did vote for it. You used the same fallacious argument as Obama did. He did vote for it. And he voted for letting the baby starve to death. But I guess when he was pressed at the third debate he went on "record" lying that he is against it.
I repeat: he did not vote FOR anything. Get your facts straight.

Read more about it here, in the unlikely event that you're interested in facts: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... on-debate/
2) Yet another Democrat cliché. Democrats are racists and sexists. Why did Obama get the nomination? because he is BLACK, not because of his non-extant merits. Why the hullaballoo over Hillary? Because of her gender. You Democrats see everything through the prism of race and sex. You are always desperate to find some minorities to exploit. You don't care about merits but only about discirminating people based on their gender and race.
Sheer comedy.
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#204 Post by alig »

Fugitive1979 wrote:
alig wrote:Obama failed to respond to the allegations. He basically admitted he is guilty.
Or, more likely, he thought it was utterly absurd and couldn't be bothered wasting his time responding to it.
Yeah, he has millions on his hands and dozens of lawyers that could have taken care of it without him lifting a finger.
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#205 Post by BlueSwan »

alig wrote:
Fugitive1979 wrote:
alig wrote:Obama failed to respond to the allegations. He basically admitted he is guilty.
Or, more likely, he thought it was utterly absurd and couldn't be bothered wasting his time responding to it.
Yeah, he has millions on his hands and dozens of lawyers that could have taken care of it without him lifting a finger.
Why even bother "taking care" of a non-story that noone believes and that the media isn't even reporting - not even the right wing media? By reacting they'd attract attention to a nonstory - that's not in their interest.
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#206 Post by alig »

BlueSwan wrote:
alig wrote:1) You are buying into Obama's lies. He did vote for it. You used the same fallacious argument as Obama did. He did vote for it. And he voted for letting the baby starve to death. But I guess when he was pressed at the third debate he went on "record" lying that he is against it.
I repeat: he did not vote FOR anything. Get your facts straight.

Read more about it here, in the unlikely event that you're interested in facts: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... on-debate/
2) Yet another Democrat cliché. Democrats are racists and sexists. Why did Obama get the nomination? because he is BLACK, not because of his non-extant merits. Why the hullaballoo over Hillary? Because of her gender. You Democrats see everything through the prism of race and sex. You are always desperate to find some minorities to exploit. You don't care about merits but only about discirminating people based on their gender and race.
Sheer comedy.
I agree: The Democrats are clowns electing a communist to run for president based on the color of his skin and not on his inexistent experience and naivete.
As for the abortion issue: Voting "present" equals "no:"
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/307498289.html

http://www.nrlc.org/Election2008/comparison0909084c.pdf
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#207 Post by BlueSwan »

alig wrote: As for the abortion issue: Voting "present" equals "no:"
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/307498289.html
Exactly. So he did not vote FOR anything. He voted against a ban on partial birth adoptions, because it was a COMPLETE ban.

Compare it to someone who is against abortions, but believe that cases of rape or incest are exceptions. Such a person would vote against a ban on all abortions. Same thing applies here. Even you ought to be able to comprehend that concept.
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#208 Post by alig »

BlueSwan wrote:
alig wrote: As for the abortion issue: Voting "present" equals "no:"
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/307498289.html
Exactly. So he did not vote FOR anything. He voted against a ban on partial birth adoptions, because it was a COMPLETE ban.


Compare it to someone who is against abortions, but believe that cases of rape or incest are exceptions. Such a person would vote against a ban on all abortions. Same thing applies here. Even you ought to be able to comprehend that concept.

It was NOT a complete ban. It specifically is about banning abortions that are carried out in the fifth month of pregnancy when a fetus is viable.Voting "present" means he voted against the "partial birth abortion ban." So basically Obama is in favor of killing a viable baby in the 8th month of pregnancy because it came from a rape. Not sick at all is it? A life is a life whether it came from rape or abortion. And he is also in favor of letting a baby starve to death. He is also in favor of the Freedom of Choice Act which would basically overrule all existing abortion laws. Minors could have abortions funded by the taxpayer without parents' consent.
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#209 Post by Danny C »

alig wrote: Obama failed to respond to the allegations. He basically admitted he is guilty.
Maybe he has them on ignore.

Cos ignoring them and not giving the oxygen of publicity to their shrill, twisted falsehoods is probably the best way of dealing with these people.

If you're really taken by this issue, you can call the county clerk in Honolulu, pony up the 20 bucks, and get a copy of his birth certificate yourself.

Oh, and just in case you were wondering, this:

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is NOT the genuine article.

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#210 Post by BlueSwan »

alig wrote:
BlueSwan wrote:
alig wrote: As for the abortion issue: Voting "present" equals "no:"
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/307498289.html
Exactly. So he did not vote FOR anything. He voted against a ban on partial birth adoptions, because it was a COMPLETE ban.


Compare it to someone who is against abortions, but believe that cases of rape or incest are exceptions. Such a person would vote against a ban on all abortions. Same thing applies here. Even you ought to be able to comprehend that concept.

It was NOT a complete ban. It specifically is about banning abortions that are carried out in the fifth month of pregnancy when a fetus is viable.Voting "present" means he voted against the "partial birth abortion ban." So basically Obama is in favor of killing a viable baby in the 8th month of pregnancy because it came from a rape. Not sick at all is it? A life is a life whether it came from rape or abortion. And he is also in favor of letting a baby starve to death. He is also in favor of the Freedom of Choice Act which would basically overrule all existing abortion laws. Minors could have abortions funded by the taxpayer without parents' consent.
Nonsense. It was a complete ban on PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS. A ban that did not take into account the health risks of the mother.
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