"Sorry" was not written by PSB.They've just remixed it.It's a differance.Next,like I said before,the single "She's Madonna" got played and did well some places just because it was performed by Robbie.Not because it was PSB.If you think otherwise then you're naive.And the theory thing,ok I am dumb so enlighten me how Erasure can take advantage of PSB prize????What's the plan?Since you're a fortune-teller etc,explain meLoins Of London wrote:From the man with the golden mask to the man with the golden weapon, eh? Do you like me in my new Romans DVD?Paddymacall wrote:
Thank Christ you changed your avatar picture Loins Of London,it looked highly camp with the golden mask etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She%27s_Madonnatuff enuff wrote: Hardly a hit IMO,and it got only played some places because Robbie sung it.
Sorry was a No.1 in 2006. Didn't they write that for Madonna?JSDOUVRES wrote: PSB would not be getting this award if they still needed to be top of the charts, because quite simply they are not!
Oh, talking of Madonna, did you know PSB worked with her?
In fact, her single I Love You Robbie But Face It I'm Madonna, inspired by Neil's affair with the former Take Thatter was a Euro chart-topper just last year:
No.1 on the Euro Airplay Chart and the Eurochart Hot 100
No.2 on the Czech and Dutch Top 40s
No.3 in Spain and Italy
No.4 in France () and Germany etc etc...
It's strange, but Norway appears not to be relevant in any way at all.
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Hmmm, "She`s Madonna" is the first Robbie song I liked. When I heard it for the first time, I was surprised how good a song from him could sound. I only found the reason later, when I became a PSB fan and I learned who had co-written the song.tuff enuff wrote:.Next,like I said before,the single "She's Madonna" got played and did well some places just because it was performed by Robbie.Not because it was PSB.If you think otherwise then you're naive.
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That is just rubbish, We have known about the Brit for just a few weeks now when you should know very well yourself that albums are always have release dates months in advance or did Erasure put it on hold just in case PSB got the Brit (which a few weeks beforehand nobody had an idea about)? Now that really would be pushing it don't you think so! You must have read it in the sunday sport!Loins Of London wrote:Perhaps you can theorise on why not one but two Erasure albums have been shifted from this month to either side of Brits week then, oh enlightened one? I anxiously await your informed reply.tuff enuff wrote:Oh boy,what a stupid theory.How on earth could Erasure use the The Brits prize for their release???
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A few weeks? Er, the honour was announced just ten days ago, actually.JSDOUVRES wrote: We have known about the Brit for just a few weeks now when you should know very well yourself that albums are always have release dates months in advance or did Erasure put it on hold just in case PSB got the Brit (which a few weeks beforehand nobody had an idea about)?
But as Mute is an EMI label these days, you have absolutely no idea what whispers they heard while negotiations between the Brits board and Parlophone/PSBP were taking place, which almost certainly commenced around September, if not before.
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All Speculation but little fact, tell me if Erasure were going to relase an album in November would they have only announced it in september? Not that anybody knows if PSB were even considered for the award at that stage! And wasn't Simon Cowel tipped for the award at the beginning anyway? No way could you have any proof whatsoever that so called negotiations happened so why try to use this as some kind of fact. I suppose you have some kind of ultra secret inside information but can't name the source! Classic!Loins Of London wrote:A few weeks? Er, the honour was announced just ten days ago, actually.JSDOUVRES wrote: We have known about the Brit for just a few weeks now when you should know very well yourself that albums are always have release dates months in advance or did Erasure put it on hold just in case PSB got the Brit (which a few weeks beforehand nobody had an idea about)?
But as Mute is an EMI label these days, you have absolutely no idea what whispers they heard while negotiations between the Brits board and Parlophone/PSBP were taking place, which almost certainly commenced around September, if not before.
Never in a million years are they releasing the album because of the Brit, No matter what nonsense speculation you are going on about! Just to clear things up, you do realise the 2 groups have different names don't you? Or are you going to make the same apparent mistake like lots of others after the Brit awards!
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Has anyone even considered the real reason PSB are getting their Brit this February? Why it's because Erasure are releasing their 40-hit anthology that month and the Pets wanted to capitalise on that. Yes, that's why.
This is all so ridiculous. I must say, however, that I was a much bigger PSB fan back when I didn't know this forum had existed, and I'm sure there are a lot of other fans who feel a bit "put off" by the condescending, arrogant, war-like tone in here. Sure, I love Erasure and I like PSB (love certain songs of theirs even), but this really turns me off and strangely enough, rubs off on the band themselves, unfortunately. I know it shouldn't, but either it's because their music has gone downhill in the latter half of their career or a mixture of this fact and me having to listen to a small handful of belligerent PSB fans. Most fans on here couldn't give a crap about this fan-made war, as can be seen by the same names that participate over and over. Moreover, most fans actually like *both* bands to varying degrees. I know most Erasure fans list PSB as their second fave (mine being Goldfrapp).
Either way, I certainly hope the author of this topic enjoys the end result of his work - I'm sure it's not what he intended... unless turning me off from buying future PSB material immediately when it comes out or not buying all the singles etc etc was his intended purpose. Great work, man!
This is all so ridiculous. I must say, however, that I was a much bigger PSB fan back when I didn't know this forum had existed, and I'm sure there are a lot of other fans who feel a bit "put off" by the condescending, arrogant, war-like tone in here. Sure, I love Erasure and I like PSB (love certain songs of theirs even), but this really turns me off and strangely enough, rubs off on the band themselves, unfortunately. I know it shouldn't, but either it's because their music has gone downhill in the latter half of their career or a mixture of this fact and me having to listen to a small handful of belligerent PSB fans. Most fans on here couldn't give a crap about this fan-made war, as can be seen by the same names that participate over and over. Moreover, most fans actually like *both* bands to varying degrees. I know most Erasure fans list PSB as their second fave (mine being Goldfrapp).
Either way, I certainly hope the author of this topic enjoys the end result of his work - I'm sure it's not what he intended... unless turning me off from buying future PSB material immediately when it comes out or not buying all the singles etc etc was his intended purpose. Great work, man!
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C'mon, theres just a few who do not like Erasure here. Thats easily seen by the posts. I'm sure there are a few Erasure-heads who trash PSB as well.pulse wrote:..that I was a much bigger PSB fan back when I didn't know this forum had existed, and I'm sure there are a lot of other fans who feel a bit "put off" by the condescending, arrogant, war-like tone in here.
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pulse wrote:...that I was a much bigger PSB fan back when I didn't know this forum had existed, and I'm sure there are a lot of other fans who feel a bit "put off" by the condescending, arrogant, war-like tone in here.
Maybe some people were bullied as a children or suffer of low self esteem and need to let it out this way.
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I doubt PSB will have the bailiffs knocking on their door because YOU have been put off buying one of their records. Every single post you have made that involves PSB, has some negative remark in it. You are not a fan and you never have been, however much you try and bullsh*t your way through another droan.pulse wrote: Either way, I certainly hope the author of this topic enjoys the end result of his work - I'm sure it's not what he intended... unless turning me off from buying future PSB material immediately when it comes out or not buying all the singles etc etc was his intended purpose. Great work, man!
And this diatribe you write about this board being ''condescending, arrogant, war-like tone in here'' is nothing compared to what you and the other muppets write over on the Erasure forum. So if what you say is true about fans being put off because of whats written, then it would make clear why Erasure's sales have turned into an embarressment. PSB fans aren't bailing them out anymore.
I've never known anyone so bitter. Your jealous rants use to be funny, now they are just full of relentless whining.
PSB are getting a deserved Outstanding Contribution to Music award. Back of the net.
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If I wasn't a fan, why do I own most everything PSB have ever released? The irony here is that I've been a PSB fan longer than an Erasure fan. Also, let me assure you (and welcome everyone here to witness with their own eyes) to visit that "muppet forum" Erasure fans have and find anyone taking such a negativity towards PSB like you state. I need proof - if you don't provide it, it once again proves your maniacal paranoia. I can assure you that most of the time, when PSB's name comes up, it's from a positive comment and any negativity in the past has come from trolls such as yourself who've opened up numerous accounts (and with copious amounts of time on their hands, which I do envy) only to goad the normally peaceful fans there into futile disputes.Undertaker wrote:I doubt PSB will have the bailiffs knocking on their door because YOU have been put off buying one of their records. Every single post you have made that involves PSB, has some negative remark in it. You are not a fan and you never have been, however much you try and bullsh*t your way through another droan.pulse wrote: Either way, I certainly hope the author of this topic enjoys the end result of his work - I'm sure it's not what he intended... unless turning me off from buying future PSB material immediately when it comes out or not buying all the singles etc etc was his intended purpose. Great work, man!
And this diatribe you write about this board being ''condescending, arrogant, war-like tone in here'' is nothing compared to what you and the other muppets write over on the Erasure forum. So if what you say is true about fans being put off because of whats written, then it would make clear why Erasure's sales have turned into an embarressment. PSB fans aren't bailing them out anymore.Their albums only sell 6,000 copies now, not the 6,005 they use to sell.
I've never known anyone so bitter. Your jealous rants use to be funny, now they are just full of relentless whining.
PSB are getting a deserved Outstanding Contribution to Music award. Back of the net.
You find negativity in all my posts, even though I do compliment the band (and you can't take any critical opinions from anyone), but you and a small handful of people have bombarded the Erasure board with bullying negativity for years - you reap what you sow. And another point that unfortunately brings me guilty pleasure is the fact that you constantly compare sales figures ("6000 copies blah blah blah"), that being your favourite weapon of choice, but you don't realise that even PSB's sales are hugely stale (and markedly diminished from their early career) in comparison to most other current pop bands that score top 20 hits. The Pets' sales are a tiny fraction of what they used to be - saleswise, isn't that like a rat trying to convince the mouse that it's larger than life, when all the while elephants walk amongst them? Get real. Delusions Of Grandeur. I've never been under the impression that Erasure's sales since 1995 haven't withered substantially, but I think you have to wake up to the retail reality on your side of the fence as well.
And if I was jealous, why would I come on here to say the Pets "deserve the award"? You can scroll back (since you're the obsessed resident research expert on all posts s t e p h a n o) and quote me on it. Give your head a shake - you're a paranoid, embittered superfan with blinders on. I love getting under your skin, because every time you lose your temper, you make an enormous fool of yourself for everyone to see. It's like the "cool" demeanour unravels to reveal a rather shallow intellect and, conversely, a rather deep negativity of spirit.
I must say though, Underwear, that you've done a lacklustre job here at cradling and supporting Loins' rather limp hypothesis on this thread. I think it's time for an Underpant change pronto.
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1994.pulse wrote:I've never been under the impression that Erasure's sales since 1995 haven't withered substantially
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The clue to the bone of contention is in the word, to quote one of the superior pop duo's lesser works, 'release'.pulse wrote:
You caught me. I have been sponsored by The Society That Believes Erasure Have Stormed EMI Towers And Hijacked The Corporate Helm Only To Release A Greatest Hits Package Around Brit Time To Foil And Spoil PSB's Big Day.
As I was saying, let's clear up the definition of word 'release'. I've already stated that Erasure had tentative plans to, er, release their compilation in October/November this year. So if I've already conceded that fact then how can I claim in all seriousness that the album has only been put together to piss on PSB's parade?JSDOUVRES wrote: All Speculation but little fact, tell me if Erasure were going to relase an album in November would they have only announced it in september? Not that anybody knows if PSB were even considered for the award at that stage! And wasn't Simon Cowel tipped for the award at the beginning anyway? No way could you have any proof whatsoever that so called negotiations happened so why try to use this as some kind of fact.
Never in a million years are they releasingthe album because of the Brit
Er, I haven't.
I haven't questioned the right of Erasure or Mute to release whatever compilations they see fit. They could release an album of Andy Bell farting from within a selection of multi-coloured rubber leotards in time with the music of Blondie and Gloria Gaynor every week of the year and I wouldn't begrudge them their right to do so. After all, they don't need to worry about the loss of their 'hetero' audience - that happened so long ago with the ABBA-esque EP that it was probably written off as tax deductible.
My beef was always with the timing, or rather the rescheduling of the said album, now to be released just a week after their nemeses bag the highest honour in the music business calendar. Not only that, but there's now an additional remix album slotted in the week before The Brits. Its clear that at least the singles compilation was due to be released anyway. What I've always maintained is suspect is the rescheduled date(s) and the official announcement of them just five days after The Brits revealed PSB's honour.
Negotiations between the recipients of said award, their label and the Brits board take place over a matter of months. I was working with David Bowie around the time of his honour, which was for the 1996 awards and featured PSB. In fact, this is not exactly common knowledge, but Neil Tennant inadvertently had a hand in Bowie receiving the award.
The Brits had made overtures to the Bowie camp in early September 1995 and although the artist was less than keen, especially about performing at the event, he didn't completely rule out the honour. Trouble is, he'd just made an incredibly uncommercial, leftfield album with Eno that was about to be released, and had undergone countless revisions before being deemed releasable in certain territories, and on top of that, he insisted that the singles were the less obvious tracks when there were far more accessible album tracks.
The second single was due to be Hallo Spaceboy, but in its original form of an industrial slab of NIN-esque brash thrash he was advised it would be a radio and sales disaster, especially as he was undergoing the gradual transformation from a Radio 1 airplay act into Radio 2 fodder. The single was eventually replaced with Strangers When We Meet, an old track which Bowie had only agreed, under some duress, to revisit as a last-minute inclusion on the album because he didn't want to upset his new US label too much, but when Neil met Bowie in the Silvermint bar of the fourth and final Wembley Arena 'Outside' concert that November he told Bowie he was mad not to release Hallo Spaceboy as a single, and I could see Bowie's internal machinery working overtime behind those famously mismatched eyes. Quick as a flash, he turned to his PA, Coco and media plugger Neil Ferris and told them, "See what Neil's said? He thinks it should have been the single as well!" The turned back to Neil and asked, "Maybe you can guys can remix it for me?"
Anyway to cut a long story much shorter than I'd like, once NT had agreed a week later by telephone that PSB would work on the track, to "make it into a more conventional pop single" so Neil told me shortly after, negotiations between the Bowie camp and the Brits resumed and after more to-ing and fro-ing, all concerned seemed chuffed that the PSB remix would give Bowie a much needed atypically accessible hit that could be used to coincide with the awards, and it was only once Neil and Chris were on board that he agreed to turn up and perform.
The original idea for Bowie's Brits set was a series of duets, but when Morrissey pulled out from the 'Outside' tour, Oasis publicly rejected Bowie (with a drunken Liam eventually throwing a punch at David backstage at Later with Jools Holland) and then DB fell out with PJ Harvey over the arrangement for The Man Who Sold The World the idea was, understandably, nixed, and the remaining songs were performed solo with his touring band.
Bowie's Brits honour was officially announced on January 8, 1996, by which time the new version of Spaceboy was completed, and his tour schedule had been rejigged. All in all it had taken five months, though, famously Bowie went off the revamp and vetoed the PSB 12" version being used commercially as well, as well as refusing the inclusion of the 7" as a bonus track on the UK pressings of the Outside album (crucially, this was just after the award was announced and I'm sure the Brits bosses were absolutely livid because they pulled the plug on a series of filmed tributes from other celebrities to Bowie).
So, I've gone off at a tangent a bit, but it does show you the kind of backstage shenanigans that go on, as well as how long these negotiations can go on for...
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If we want to get really technical (and we do) I Say I Say was a bit of a comedown from Chorus/Pop!/Abba-esque.Loins Of London wrote:1994.pulse wrote:I've never been under the impression that Erasure's sales since 1995 haven't withered substantially
What was the deal with the whole Morrisey/Bowie thing again? Bowie making a surprise appearance on stage during a Moz concert and then taking over?
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Oh, sure it was, creatively at least. In fact, even though it was the duo's fifth and final No.1 album (Hi Pulse!), Erasure weren't considered a priority act anymore.DJ_Couture wrote:
If we want to get really technical (and we do) I Say I Say was a bit of a comedown from Chorus/Pop!/Abba-esque.
I was fortunate enough to be at the infamous Top Of The Pops taping where Matt Lucas and David Walliams made complete attention-grabbing fools of themselves in the audience during many of the songs, and there was certainly a buzz around PSB, which was reinforced when the boys were asked to tape a special intro for the show outside the Liberation ride, and were given the Exclusive slot, even though they were plugging the fourth single from Very. Poor old Erasure had to do with being relegated to just another band on the show, even though Always was their lead single from their first studio album for almost three years. IIRC, ISISIS was also the first Erasure album not to boast a top three single.
Largely on the back of Nirvana's cover of The Man Who Sold The World, Bowie had started this prolonged period of paying lip service to any alt.rock press darling/indie kid that were citing him as an influence, e.g hanging out with Suede, performing with Damon Albarn, cameoing at The Brits (again) with Placebo (all the more surprising as he had nothing to promote but his own relevance) and he's still at it, having recently collaborated with Arcade Fire.DJ_Couture wrote:What was the deal with the whole Morrisey/Bowie thing again? Bowie making a surprise appearance on stage during a Moz concert and then taking over?
In 1995 he came up with the idea of a co-headlining trek as a way to reach some of these new audiences, and for the first leg of the Outside tour in the US he roped in the biggest thing in industrial music at the time, Nine Inch Nails, and the running order was designed with a 20-minute collaborative segment every night where Bowie would come on and perform with NIN on their final four songs, two of NIN's and two of DB's and then Reznor and co. would quietly leave the stage and Bowie would continue uninterrupted with his own band, who'd surreptitiously emerged from the wings bit by bit.
Of course, it was hoped that the NIN crowd wouldn't bother leaving their seats as there was no intermission, leaving DB to convert them into willing Bowiephiles. Though it didn't always work out like that! The same concept was put into place for the European leg, but as NIN were no more than a small cult act outside the US, new RCA label-mate Morrissey was installed as the co-headliner, underneath Bowie's name of course.
It should have been brilliant. I remember Bowie bursting into a room backstage in Philadelphia that September and he couldn't contain himself with the news that Morrissey had agreed to do it. He looked like he was literally bursting at the seams with excitement. For all his rather complex and megalomaniacal faults, when things are good and he's excited or enthused by something, Bowie's just like a big kid at heart and it's so infectious that's it's joy to witness. He was exactly the same the night Neil Tennant was backstage at Wembley two months later when he spotted that a big musical hero of his had turned up, and grabbed me by the hand and said, moist of eye, "I've just met Scott Walker! Oh wow, that's made my tour!!"
Sorry I'm digressing slightly, anyway back in Philly, Bowie had told me that the structure of the show would remain the same with Mozzer, and that they too would do a set of duets in the in-between section, though when I asked what songs they had in mind he told me they hadn't got that far yet, but Bowie thought that doing I Know It's Gonna Happen Someday (a Moz song he'd covered two years earlier, produced by his former Spider From Mars, Mick Ronson) was "too obvious."
As far as I can make out from the Morrissey camp, he'd never agreed to the duets at all, and started to feel that he was being bounced into doing it. As he's amply demonstrated in so many areas throughout his career, Moz is also nothing if not a traditionalist, and once he realised that the joint segueway would deprive him of an encore he put his foot down. Result - no duets. Two separate artist sets. He still went ahead with the tour but the atmosphere was icier than Madonna and Guy holidaying in the North Pole. Bowie point blank refused to speak to him, and the tour's whole raison d'être ('vampirish', Neil Tennant would undoubtedly say) lay in tatters. On top of that, Moz played to arenas barely a quarter full, as conservative Bowie fans were essentially there to see one man and one man only, and as it was usually seated arenas, there was little reason, in their view, in arriving too early.
To lighten the awful mood a little, as he took to the stage in Cardiff, I handed Morrissey a hooker's card I'd nabbed from a phone box as a joke, and he promptly put it in his jacket pocket and got on with his singing. The next night he promptly pulled out of the tour! He was said to be suffering stress and severe depression. I don't suppose several bad reviews of his mere 'support act on someone else's stage' helped one bit. All the remaining dates, including throughout Europe the following Jan & Feb '96 (inc. The Brits) he had pulled out of. Though, miraculously, he was able to travel all the way to Japan to perform three lucrative solo shows that Christmas.
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O.k, this took me all of 3 seconds to find. Here is one post made by yourself, that will clear up all that i have just quoted above.pulse wrote:Undertaker wrote: If I wasn't a fan, why do I own most everything PSB have ever released? The irony here is that I've been a PSB fan longer than an Erasure fan. Also, let me assure you (and welcome everyone here to witness with their own eyes) to visit that "muppet forum" Erasure fans have and find anyone taking such a negativity towards PSB like you state. I need proof - if you don't provide it, it once again proves your maniacal paranoia.
Posted on the Erasure forum by Stephano (who is known as 'Pulse' on here)
when you buy an Erasure album, you know almost every song on it will make your heart sing, unlike much of the depressing drab PSB fill their's with
guess "trying something different" to PSB means making an album of half-inspired Latin songs that should be sung with fervour, but are instead languishing under the crushing inadequacy of Neil Tennant's vocals and Chris Lowe's regurgitated clubdance track... or is it maybe the insipid, life-less Nightlife, with that wonderfully embarrassing "New York City Boy"
Perhaps you'd prefer two dead men walking in Samurai ballgowns, troll wigs, and full make-up
'Firstly, nothing sounds more dated than Trevor Horn productions, as is perfectly exemplified by the excruciatingly dated and bland sound of PSB's latest Fundamental. The album, in addition to being a tuneless mass of boring, old, and (unsuccessful) rehashes of past works, is also plagued by a consistent, droning blandness that runs through it like a tattered old fabric.