These are just more character attacks, and throughout history the first people to discover something are called mad. I accept the fact my views go against the grain. I accept you won't believe what I say straight off. I'd like healthy discussion, I'm not trying to make you believe what I do, if you can believe that. I'm just presenting an alternate view, giving you guys a key that you may decide to use to open a door.
All I can see is the big picture, that's how my mind works. All these theories can be proved or disproved, you can attack mine or David Icke's character, but truths are self-evident. PLEASE argue against these, and forget I, an admittedly flawed human being, may have proposed them.
1. We have divided ourselves as a species. Do you really think a truly enlightened society should judge people according to gender and race?
2. Do you really believe this western world we're living in is the be all and end all for civilisation? Radical changes in thought are always necessary for evolution and progression.
3. Both global warming and the bailouts have passed on fear. You CANNOT deny that. As an extension, do you think making any big decisions based on something other than reason and sound thinking is healthy?
4. You ask anyone on the street if they want war, and they'd say no. So why are we always in some war or another?
5. You don't agree people are like sheep? Icke says people don't like going against the grain, so they blend in for comfort. Are people going to work every day walking down the street projecting their unique selves to the world? NO! They are blending in because only a narrow view is acceptable by society. This goes into every aspect of our lives. 'What would my mom or the neighbors think?'.
If you think this is what life is supposed to be, fine. I'm clearly ahead of my time. I'm not willing to live this phony, empty life everyone takes for granted and accepts, because they feel too powerless to change it and are enjoying their junk food and gadgets too much to want to. We are told what to think, and we police ourselves. Attack Icke's character all you want, truth will always be truth even if only one person believes it.
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Sorry, I forgot to thank Greg for his warm response, and thank you for taking the time to watch that video. I know its a bit much to ask. Bit I think your view is a bit muddled, and here's my thinking:
Living in a hot climate and using extreme instances are exactly what people on my side do, and even I just did. I'm noticing cooling, you're noticing heating, so clearly limited geographical examples are worthless. My argument on the topic of GW is very simple, I think the climate is very very complicated, and yet our relatively minor increase in carbon dioxide is the reason the climate is changing? I think its beyond absurd, and if you want something partuicular to respond to, how about the fact that Mars polar caps are melting faster than ours. How can SUV's be responsible for that? Its fluctuating solar activity.
The climate always always changes. Why do humans always have to have such hubris and think we know the answers? We don't know the answers, we rarely do until we have debated and researched a topic for centuries. Attacking GW has become like attacking religion, and that should tell you something about its followers. You're not allowed to question it, and for that reason alone I do. I usually find truth.
In response to Exxon, I don't know the answer to the possible contradiction. But does everything have to be black and white? We have no idea what their agenda is, and when we speculate we get ridiculed. That is actually what's happened in this thread, I and others have noticed signs, we try to connect the dots, and we may be right or wrong. In fact, most likely wrong. But that's because I don't even know what questions to ask, the game is that rigged. So I throw a lot of shit at the wall, and some things are sticking. Noone has attacked the big picture, they attack my character, my language, my essay skills, and my theories. But the big picture is inescapable: the world is centralizing, we have fewer liberties, fewer people have more power and money, and huge events like GW and 9/11 have many skeptics and are surrounded by either secrecy or religious fervor. When we try to make sense of it with what little information we have, we get ridiculed. Its absurd, plain and simple. ABSURD. This is not how life should be.
Living in a hot climate and using extreme instances are exactly what people on my side do, and even I just did. I'm noticing cooling, you're noticing heating, so clearly limited geographical examples are worthless. My argument on the topic of GW is very simple, I think the climate is very very complicated, and yet our relatively minor increase in carbon dioxide is the reason the climate is changing? I think its beyond absurd, and if you want something partuicular to respond to, how about the fact that Mars polar caps are melting faster than ours. How can SUV's be responsible for that? Its fluctuating solar activity.
The climate always always changes. Why do humans always have to have such hubris and think we know the answers? We don't know the answers, we rarely do until we have debated and researched a topic for centuries. Attacking GW has become like attacking religion, and that should tell you something about its followers. You're not allowed to question it, and for that reason alone I do. I usually find truth.
In response to Exxon, I don't know the answer to the possible contradiction. But does everything have to be black and white? We have no idea what their agenda is, and when we speculate we get ridiculed. That is actually what's happened in this thread, I and others have noticed signs, we try to connect the dots, and we may be right or wrong. In fact, most likely wrong. But that's because I don't even know what questions to ask, the game is that rigged. So I throw a lot of shit at the wall, and some things are sticking. Noone has attacked the big picture, they attack my character, my language, my essay skills, and my theories. But the big picture is inescapable: the world is centralizing, we have fewer liberties, fewer people have more power and money, and huge events like GW and 9/11 have many skeptics and are surrounded by either secrecy or religious fervor. When we try to make sense of it with what little information we have, we get ridiculed. Its absurd, plain and simple. ABSURD. This is not how life should be.
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David Icke (top right), in even more crazy times, sporting a fetching sweater on that notorious den of iniquity, BBC Breakfast Time. S&M cognoscente Frank Bough smiles in the front row.
Forget David Icke's paranoid madness, hysterical delusion, and certifiable lunacy. This man is a former Coventry City reserve goalkeeper, second-choice BBC Sport snooker presenter, and first-class shell-suit afficionado, you know. That's the real evil.
Drico.
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^ One of the problems with today's style of thinking. Cleverness has little to do with wisdom.
When I came across that video I'd never heard of him, but I found out later he was a sort of national joke in Britain. Why? For being different? Thinking abstractly? Not going through the social norms like everyone else? If our civilization is to advance, we must embrace uniqueness. I'd hope some of you will come to that conclusion as well at some point, its a great feeling. Imagine, not mocking or deriding someone for being who they are, and knowing you are afforded the same opportunity to be yourself. Unless you think waking up at 6 am, shaving, putting on a suit and sucking up to people you hate all day is who you really are. Of course these are radical ideas and are bound to be met with cynicism. But the world we live in is radically awful, its just that we've gotten used to it.
When I came across that video I'd never heard of him, but I found out later he was a sort of national joke in Britain. Why? For being different? Thinking abstractly? Not going through the social norms like everyone else? If our civilization is to advance, we must embrace uniqueness. I'd hope some of you will come to that conclusion as well at some point, its a great feeling. Imagine, not mocking or deriding someone for being who they are, and knowing you are afforded the same opportunity to be yourself. Unless you think waking up at 6 am, shaving, putting on a suit and sucking up to people you hate all day is who you really are. Of course these are radical ideas and are bound to be met with cynicism. But the world we live in is radically awful, its just that we've gotten used to it.
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^ One of the problems with today's style of thinking. Illogical paranoia has little to do with wisdom. Or cleverness.
Drico, the Reptilian illuminatus from the constellation Draco.
Drico, the Reptilian illuminatus from the constellation Draco.
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Well, I thought it was good while it lasted, but drat, my true self revealed by the cunningly wise Whateverman.
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Sorry, but your piss-takes leave a bit to be desired. Snarky, ignorant.... what's it missing? Oh right, substance.
You don't have to read my rants, but if you don't you certainly shouldn't be responding to them. Because now you find yourself in the situation of having done everything I just criticized.
And there's nothing illogical about asking questions that have yet to be answered. And nothing paranoid about bad events that have many coincidences which can't be explained away by ridicule.
Drico an Illuminati? I guess most sheep think highly of themselves in their little worlds.
You don't have to read my rants, but if you don't you certainly shouldn't be responding to them. Because now you find yourself in the situation of having done everything I just criticized.
And there's nothing illogical about asking questions that have yet to be answered. And nothing paranoid about bad events that have many coincidences which can't be explained away by ridicule.
Drico an Illuminati? I guess most sheep think highly of themselves in their little worlds.
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It's a good job I've bought my reptile repellent spray from the online David Icke shop. I also bought a rather charming coffee mug as well.
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Reptile, not sheep. Get it right.whateverman42 wrote: Drico an Illuminati? I guess most sheep think highly of themselves in their little worlds.
Drico.
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Oh, don't you realise whateverman42 you're a sheep too; you just belong to a different herd. What you're masquerading as alternative subvervise thinking is just nonsensical existential angst. There's nothing truly intelligent or subversive behind what the likes of David Icke are peddling, though I do admire him as he turned a very public mental breakdown into a very lucrative and rewarding career.
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Whateverman (a totally apt screenname, btw), are you a scientist? No? Then why are you here lecturing us about climate change? Who are you to tell us meaninglessly that climate change has "always happened"? 98 percent of actual scientists agree, and the 2 percent holdouts are usually paid employees of the energy industry.
You are self-righteously mixing science with politics here, in an intentionally trollish way. I don't know where "Canadia" is, but the way you're reciting Republican, right-wing talking points from the energy industry- well, I suspect you're a FOX-watching Yank in drag here. Even if you're Canadian, your intense preoccupation on possible regulations on carbon emissions in the US lead me to think you're being dishonest from the start.
Bad faith, in other words. You don't fool me, sir.
Oh yes, I'm oppressing your free speech by pointing out you're full of shit. What a Sarah Palinist whine, that's all the right wing Republicans have these days. Moaning and bitching. Look, you're presenting yourself as an expert on climate science. Industry might have to pay a price for heedlessly polluting our planet without regulation. You have a problem with this. And embarrassingly try to portray yorself as a martyr. Ugh, how damned childish.
I've pretty much had it with the literal cult of stupidity some right-wing Americans have embraced, telling us Jesus made the dinosaurs and God is against taxing polluting, rapacious corporations. Thankfully they're indeed a minority, shrinking every day. Keep dreaming dude. Climate change is real, science is real, evolution is real. Give up trying to persuade intelligent people otherwise by being such a petulant crybaby and fantasist. Try and be a good productive citizen instead. Turn off the trash misinformation you're clearly getting. Stop being stupid. Wake up.
You are self-righteously mixing science with politics here, in an intentionally trollish way. I don't know where "Canadia" is, but the way you're reciting Republican, right-wing talking points from the energy industry- well, I suspect you're a FOX-watching Yank in drag here. Even if you're Canadian, your intense preoccupation on possible regulations on carbon emissions in the US lead me to think you're being dishonest from the start.
Bad faith, in other words. You don't fool me, sir.
Oh yes, I'm oppressing your free speech by pointing out you're full of shit. What a Sarah Palinist whine, that's all the right wing Republicans have these days. Moaning and bitching. Look, you're presenting yourself as an expert on climate science. Industry might have to pay a price for heedlessly polluting our planet without regulation. You have a problem with this. And embarrassingly try to portray yorself as a martyr. Ugh, how damned childish.
I've pretty much had it with the literal cult of stupidity some right-wing Americans have embraced, telling us Jesus made the dinosaurs and God is against taxing polluting, rapacious corporations. Thankfully they're indeed a minority, shrinking every day. Keep dreaming dude. Climate change is real, science is real, evolution is real. Give up trying to persuade intelligent people otherwise by being such a petulant crybaby and fantasist. Try and be a good productive citizen instead. Turn off the trash misinformation you're clearly getting. Stop being stupid. Wake up.
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Honestly, thank you frequency, your response has some depth to it. I fully understand where you're coming from, and I admit this time in my life is pretty rough right now. I have been having existential issues (such as the universe will end at some point, so nothing matters), so spot on man! I know I'm the perfect case to latch onto these conspiracy theories to blame some shady group for making the world bad. Everything I believe should be taken with a grain of salt. But ask yourself, shouldn't that be the case for everyone? Especially the media and politicians and businessmen? You have to ask yourself in every situation 'who is benefitting'.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident is an admitted false flag incident to solidify the war in Vietnam. You're to believe that was an exception in history? Most of what I discuss comes around to history, because throughout history humans have been shown to do some despicable things. There are patterns and coincidences. I see intelligent, well reasoned people questioning the Official Story. I research, and find convincing arguments that are getting ignored. A government 60 years ago was capable of the Holocaust. Are we all so naive to declare it impossible bad people in power have stopped existing since? Just think, we find it hard to believe these guys in power would be so cold as to murder 3,000 people to justify a war. That's probably what people in Germany thought about the killing of 6,000,000 Jews to justify eugenics.
You called alternative subversive thinking nonsensical. Do you disagree that most people base their lives around what other people may think? What is nonsensical about believing in yourself so strongly that what others think doesn't matter, because you yourself are not judgmental to them? Sounds kind of progressive to me. Perhaps people in such turbulent states such as me are in the best position to start questioning what we've been told all our lives. Perhaps you're all living in a hazy torpor and don't know what it feels like to question everything. One of us may be right, one may be wrong, and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but its all just food for thought. I hope with this thread some people have at least been able to use critical thinking, something that is getting rarer in today's society.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident is an admitted false flag incident to solidify the war in Vietnam. You're to believe that was an exception in history? Most of what I discuss comes around to history, because throughout history humans have been shown to do some despicable things. There are patterns and coincidences. I see intelligent, well reasoned people questioning the Official Story. I research, and find convincing arguments that are getting ignored. A government 60 years ago was capable of the Holocaust. Are we all so naive to declare it impossible bad people in power have stopped existing since? Just think, we find it hard to believe these guys in power would be so cold as to murder 3,000 people to justify a war. That's probably what people in Germany thought about the killing of 6,000,000 Jews to justify eugenics.
You called alternative subversive thinking nonsensical. Do you disagree that most people base their lives around what other people may think? What is nonsensical about believing in yourself so strongly that what others think doesn't matter, because you yourself are not judgmental to them? Sounds kind of progressive to me. Perhaps people in such turbulent states such as me are in the best position to start questioning what we've been told all our lives. Perhaps you're all living in a hazy torpor and don't know what it feels like to question everything. One of us may be right, one may be wrong, and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but its all just food for thought. I hope with this thread some people have at least been able to use critical thinking, something that is getting rarer in today's society.
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I knew I'd be on the defensive when I started this, but I was just trying to open an alternate style of thinking. I got prickly, and I apologize, there is no need for a pissy attitude. I can see I am not convincing anyone, so I'll stop with the huge posts, I won't stand up for what I believe in here again. I'll refute Deschanel, then I'll shut the hell up.
'Whateverman (a totally apt screenname, btw), are you a scientist? No? Then why are you here lecturing us about climate change? Who are you to tell us meaninglessly that climate change has "always happened"? 98 percent of actual scientists agree, and the 2 percent holdouts are usually paid employees of the energy industry.'
I am no scientist, I'm presenting views and giving evidence of scientists I have read, just. like. you. How can you not see your hypocrisy? And again, I already posted something on the 'most scientists agree' argument. If you don't read my posts it makes it an easy debate for me.
'You are self-righteously mixing science with politics here, in an intentionally trollish way. I don't know where "Canadia" is, but the way you're reciting Republican, right-wing talking points from the energy industry- well, I suspect you're a FOX-watching Yank in drag here. Even if you're Canadian, your intense preoccupation on possible regulations on carbon emissions in the US lead me to think you're being dishonest from the start.
Bad faith, in other words. You don't fool me, sir.'
Slipping snide remarks like 'whateverman is an apt screen name' and canadia does not help you in any way. It makes you look petty. And by associating me with right wing yet again you're using a tactic the US government employs: smear and repeat. It's like a Bush speech replacing terrorist with right wing. The reason I'm interested in the US is because their welfare kind of affects ours, Canada's, as well as the world's. We're a fly on top of an elephant: every twitch they make affects us.
I know you don't care or don't believe me, but I vote Green Party at our elections, I don't litter, I don't own a car, I walk to work, my job is in the arts field, and I care about the planet. 'But I don't fool you, because my agenda is to fool all you suckers'. The reason that is nonsensical is because I have no economic stakes in it.
Oh yes, I'm oppressing your free speech by pointing out you're full of shit. What a Sarah Palinist whine, that's all the right wing Republicans have these days. Moaning and bitching. Look, you're presenting yourself as an expert on climate science. Industry might have to pay a price for heedlessly polluting our planet without regulation. You have a problem with this. And embarrassingly try to portray yorself as a martyr. Ugh, how damned childish.
I hate Palin, she is an utter moron who finds herself near power. She might get it next election too. But I don't pretend I know you, or declare you as fitting in with such and such group. Sorry for the harsh words, but I find your hate speech pathetic, as it lacks no information whatsoever. So please stop judging my character.
I've pretty much had it with the literal cult of stupidity some right-wing Americans have embraced, telling us Jesus made the dinosaurs and God is against taxing polluting, rapacious corporations. Thankfully they're indeed a minority, shrinking every day. Keep dreaming dude. Climate change is real, science is real, evolution is real. Give up trying to persuade intelligent people otherwise by being such a petulant crybaby and fantasist. Try and be a good productive citizen instead. Turn off the trash misinformation you're clearly getting. Stop being stupid. Wake up.
I'm an atheist verging on agnostic, so once again, well done. It's like a priest preaching to a choir he derangedly thinks are possessed by the devil, who aren't. Saying climate change is real does not make it so, no matter how definitively you say it. You can call me a Palin nut all you want, you're still ignoring facts I've found (even though I'm not a scientist). Don't believe me? Research it then, geez. Skeptics have a lot of right wing nutters on their side, yes. But they also happen to have the truth on their side in this instance. A broken clock is still right twice a day.
If you can question me so readily as someone else than who I claim to be (someone with no motive to lie to random people on the internet), why can't you question the government and businessmen who make trillions of dollars by lying? OWNED. lol, sorry. Thanks everyone, no hard feelings. Good luck getting on in this whacked out world that's going to get worse before it gets better.
'Whateverman (a totally apt screenname, btw), are you a scientist? No? Then why are you here lecturing us about climate change? Who are you to tell us meaninglessly that climate change has "always happened"? 98 percent of actual scientists agree, and the 2 percent holdouts are usually paid employees of the energy industry.'
I am no scientist, I'm presenting views and giving evidence of scientists I have read, just. like. you. How can you not see your hypocrisy? And again, I already posted something on the 'most scientists agree' argument. If you don't read my posts it makes it an easy debate for me.
'You are self-righteously mixing science with politics here, in an intentionally trollish way. I don't know where "Canadia" is, but the way you're reciting Republican, right-wing talking points from the energy industry- well, I suspect you're a FOX-watching Yank in drag here. Even if you're Canadian, your intense preoccupation on possible regulations on carbon emissions in the US lead me to think you're being dishonest from the start.
Bad faith, in other words. You don't fool me, sir.'
Slipping snide remarks like 'whateverman is an apt screen name' and canadia does not help you in any way. It makes you look petty. And by associating me with right wing yet again you're using a tactic the US government employs: smear and repeat. It's like a Bush speech replacing terrorist with right wing. The reason I'm interested in the US is because their welfare kind of affects ours, Canada's, as well as the world's. We're a fly on top of an elephant: every twitch they make affects us.
I know you don't care or don't believe me, but I vote Green Party at our elections, I don't litter, I don't own a car, I walk to work, my job is in the arts field, and I care about the planet. 'But I don't fool you, because my agenda is to fool all you suckers'. The reason that is nonsensical is because I have no economic stakes in it.
Oh yes, I'm oppressing your free speech by pointing out you're full of shit. What a Sarah Palinist whine, that's all the right wing Republicans have these days. Moaning and bitching. Look, you're presenting yourself as an expert on climate science. Industry might have to pay a price for heedlessly polluting our planet without regulation. You have a problem with this. And embarrassingly try to portray yorself as a martyr. Ugh, how damned childish.
I hate Palin, she is an utter moron who finds herself near power. She might get it next election too. But I don't pretend I know you, or declare you as fitting in with such and such group. Sorry for the harsh words, but I find your hate speech pathetic, as it lacks no information whatsoever. So please stop judging my character.
I've pretty much had it with the literal cult of stupidity some right-wing Americans have embraced, telling us Jesus made the dinosaurs and God is against taxing polluting, rapacious corporations. Thankfully they're indeed a minority, shrinking every day. Keep dreaming dude. Climate change is real, science is real, evolution is real. Give up trying to persuade intelligent people otherwise by being such a petulant crybaby and fantasist. Try and be a good productive citizen instead. Turn off the trash misinformation you're clearly getting. Stop being stupid. Wake up.
I'm an atheist verging on agnostic, so once again, well done. It's like a priest preaching to a choir he derangedly thinks are possessed by the devil, who aren't. Saying climate change is real does not make it so, no matter how definitively you say it. You can call me a Palin nut all you want, you're still ignoring facts I've found (even though I'm not a scientist). Don't believe me? Research it then, geez. Skeptics have a lot of right wing nutters on their side, yes. But they also happen to have the truth on their side in this instance. A broken clock is still right twice a day.
If you can question me so readily as someone else than who I claim to be (someone with no motive to lie to random people on the internet), why can't you question the government and businessmen who make trillions of dollars by lying? OWNED. lol, sorry. Thanks everyone, no hard feelings. Good luck getting on in this whacked out world that's going to get worse before it gets better.