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Re: Go west unreleased mixes

#16 Post by JSDOUVRES » Fri 22 Aug 2014, 1:27 am

The Extended video mix is a unique version as it is the normal Single/Album version with the Mings gone West Second movement as the instrumental second half of the song whereas the Mings Gone West first and second movement is obviously a remixed first part with the second movement. This version has never existed on any format apart from the video as far as I know.

I suppose it is obvious but nobody has ever really made a point of it before I don't think?

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#17 Post by Tom Angel » Fri 22 Aug 2014, 8:38 am

Ah, brilliant. i think it makes sense now! just. Thank you!
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#18 Post by Ewok » Sat 23 Aug 2014, 10:37 am

Gaijin wrote:
leesmapman wrote:
Gaijin wrote:I've been trying for hours to figure out where the Brothers in Rhythm Extended version fits in. :wall: It's not listed on geowayne or psb-discography and I was beginning to think I was going mad.

Of course, it's the version on the extended video, and is not available on another format.
Isn't this just the Mings Gone West: First and Second Movement on the regular CD single?
As mentioned above, I've spent hours at this question and compared EVERY mix to be sure of my facts before I posted.

This Brothers in Rhythm version is the "full version" (9:27), of which the Single and Album versions are edits. The Ming version (10:13) is a remix of this version, just as this version seems to be a remix of the 1992 12" mixed by Mark Stent (9:11).

BTW: It works well at the end of Very, but bit of fiddling is required to keep Postscript.
The "Extended version" from the PopArt DVD is the single version without the instrumental ending which is replaced by the "Brothers in Rhythm 2nd movement".

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#19 Post by BugBoy » Sat 23 Aug 2014, 5:26 pm

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#20 Post by TheGhostOfMyself » Sun 24 Aug 2014, 1:53 pm

Didn't PopJustice once tweet that they'd found an un-released 29 minute mix somewhere?

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#21 Post by leesmapman » Mon 25 Aug 2014, 12:30 am

I never realized the extended video and the Ming's version were different. I usually play the Mings version for that amazing 2nd half.

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#22 Post by Gaijin » Mon 25 Aug 2014, 9:44 am

The Ming version is not the only mix that got it's Second Movement released, it's also on the Mark Stent mix. His Allez a l'Ouest mix is an extended version of the last 2 minutes of his 1992 12", and can be fit on in the same manner. The resultant mix is, imo, superior to all the 1993 mixes.

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#23 Post by Tom Angel » Mon 25 Aug 2014, 9:53 am

A Go West Mastermind, Has anyone been on that quiz show specialising in ONE song?! It's impressive
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#24 Post by Gaijin » Mon 25 Aug 2014, 10:11 am

Lol - I don't like the song as much as one might think... :shhh:

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#25 Post by leesmapman » Mon 25 Aug 2014, 10:42 am

Tom Angel wrote:A Go West Mastermind, Has anyone been on that quiz show specialising in ONE song?! It's impressive
Wow, there is such a quiz? Non-related, but I'm specialized in Popcorn (see signature).

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#26 Post by Gaijin » Tue 02 Sep 2014, 3:45 pm

It's my opinion that the extended version is the main version.

Other posts would seem to indicate that Ming version 'owns' the second movement, while it's also on the end of the album/single version. Assuming that the album version was made before the Ming version, it seems probable that the Second Movement was tacked onto the end of the Ming version when the remixes were being made.

Further, the Japanese CDS, which has edits of the Ming version, show a clean/cold end to those versions, something not evident in the album mix. On those versions, there's no hint of the Second Movement musically, (although the titles suggest otherwise).

Thus, BIR, knowing that the long form video was the only place that their Second Movement was going to appear, repurposed it for their second mix.

Or maybe I'm wrong... :)

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#27 Post by Jack Acksadapo » Tue 02 Sep 2014, 8:49 pm

That Extended video version has a dodgy edit at that point - to me it sounds like they just tacked the BIR Second Movement onto the Hague album version?

The BIR mix was done way before Hague's mix, anyway. It's all explained in an issue of Literally, I think?

What I wonder, though, is whether the second movement music is something created by Mark Stent for the extended version, or was it part of the original track? I suspect the latter, as Stent doesn't get a credit in the various other versions it's used.

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#28 Post by Gaijin » Tue 02 Sep 2014, 9:18 pm

Interesting points, will consider them - I don't have the Literally issues to read, but some are online and I'm reading through them ATM.

I may perhaps have a problem with the perceived timeline of who did what. I thought it was Stent, Hague, BIR.

As mentioned elsewhere, Very and Go West are not my favourite PSB recordings, so your assistance is quite welcome. Thanks Jack.

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#29 Post by Rorie » Thu 18 Sep 2014, 4:40 am

Mark Stent Allez a l'Ouest 12-inch version (8:30) ?? Never heard of it. Where did you find this?

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#30 Post by Ewok » Thu 18 Sep 2014, 6:37 pm

Gaijin wrote:It's my opinion that the extended version is the main version.

Other posts would seem to indicate that Ming version 'owns' the second movement, while it's also on the end of the album/single version. Assuming that the album version was made before the Ming version, it seems probable that the Second Movement was tacked onto the end of the Ming version when the remixes were being made.

Further, the Japanese CDS, which has edits of the Ming version, show a clean/cold end to those versions, something not evident in the album mix. On those versions, there's no hint of the Second Movement musically, (although the titles suggest otherwise).

Thus, BIR, knowing that the long form video was the only place that their Second Movement was going to appear, repurposed it for their second mix.

Or maybe I'm wrong... :)
There's a Fabdens vocal demo of Go West that has the 2nd movement in its original form, so it looks like a creation by Pet Shop Boys.

Then PSB recorded a studio version which was produced by themselves and mixed by Stent (the one that was later released on the Very further listening). The Allez a l'Ouest mix was done at the same time.

It was then remixed by Brothers in Rhythm. I think the 1st and 2nd movement is their original version as all the others are just edits.

Finally Stephen Hague did some additional production and mixed it with Stent (Single version).

As said above, the extended video version is just a simple edit of 2 versions that already existed: Hague 7" (without instrumental ending) + BIR 2nd movement).

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