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OakeyDokey wrote: Mon 21 Jun 2021, 12:56 am Great analysis, I love reading stuff like this! I thought Go West's ubiquity would have given more longevity in the higher reaches to Very.
Are the runs for the first three albums filled with a string of single digits ?
Well if they'd released other Very-songs as singles that might have been true. Dreaming of the Queen, One in a Million for instance.
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I'd agree with that. A real missed opportunity with the later singles from Very, given that this was a time when there was still some level of public interest in PSB. Just imagine a One In A Million with any kind of Take That involvement as 4th single instead of Liberation... a major hit for sure.

Regarding the previous comment, I don't have the chart runs for the first 3 albums. But just to round out the 90s albums head-to-head with Erasure...

Bilingual: 4-13-24-33-48-69
Cowboy: 10-28-45-75

Nightlife: 7-28-60
Loveboat: 45

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Devices wrote: Tue 22 Jun 2021, 3:59 amRegarding the previous comment, I don't have the chart runs for the first 3 albums. But just to round out the 90s albums head-to-head with Erasure...

Nightlife: 7-28-60
Loveboat: 45
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I’ve had a look on the official chart website, at the album charts from 86-89
Here is the chart run for Please

3-3-4-7-11-14-18-23-17-15-15- 12-10-15-21-25-33-33-39-47-41
-53-65-61-60-53-31-28-22-19-
19-27-40-56-59-81-93

Drops out of the chart, and re-enters the following week. This was when Disco was released, so this is probably the reason why it suddenly dropped down the chart.

100-90-57-77-67-77-75-95-50-55-54-68-73-85

Re-enters the Chart in June 1987. No doubt because of the release of It’s a Sin.

66-55-50-48-42-55-53-63-50-52-62-73-82-88-74-89-71-79-
87-80-79-62-79-93-96

Re-enters the chart again in April 1988, this is probably because Heart is Number one.

89-95-89-76-99-92

One thing worth mentioning is, the album that was number one when Please made its debut on the chart, was Hits 4. If we was going by today’s rules, compilation albums wouldn’t be eligible for the charts, and Please would’ve entered at Number2.

I will post the chart runs for Disco, Actually, and Introspective, later on today.


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The Chart Runs for Actually and Introspective

Actually
2-4-5-8-7-8-8-13-17-16-16-18-
17-14-9-8-6-5-14-17-18-20-10-
11-13-22-25–29-29-20-7-9-11-7
-15-21-26-31-31-35-37-37-43-
45-46-46-60-59-60-67-65-77-
80-68-75-93-77-91

Re-entry
80

Introspective
2-4-10-16-25-24-24-11-10-10-
14-11-12-13-25-27-38-37-29-35-42-32-45-53-51-61-62-74-58-61

It re-enters the chart when it’s Alright is released

71-61-37-38-40-43-52-70-71


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Here is the Disco Chart run. This is the one that has really surprised me, and has made me love the album even more.

15-20-29-44-50-48-20-25-15-
19-21-31-24-20-22-29-32-36-
48-60-70-82-65

Re-enters after one week out of the chart
95

Re-enters the chart in June 1987. It’s a Sin is released around this time.

96-58-48-42-49-51-58-54-65-
56-67-60-70-72
Re-enters the chart after one week out
99

Re-enters the Chart January 1988.
This is probably because of the success of Always on my mind.

67-61-63-51-58-68-54-58-67-
70-76-80-71-65-62-72-69-77-
92-90-85-75-97

Re-enters the chart July 1988.
I have no idea why.

86-84-91-89
Re-enters after one week out
88
Re-enters after three weeks out
100

Re-enters January 1989
94
Re-enters after two weeks out
73

Re-enters March 1989
75

Re-enters July 1989.
It’s Alright was released around this time

62

One thing worth mentioning, is that when Disco made it’s debut on the chart at 15, it was behind 4 compilations and a film soundtrack. So if we went by the no compilations/Soundtrack rule introduced in 1989. Disco would have it’s deserved placing in the Top 10.


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retrofuturist wrote: Wed 16 Jun 2021, 11:38 pm Greetings,
Devices wrote: Wed 16 Jun 2021, 6:16 am I bet than in 1992 he was paranoid about Erasure.
It's understandable. Take a look at their respective UK singles chart performances for singles released from 1988-1992, as the PSB "Imperial Phase" began to wane.

Erasure
Ship Of Fools - 6
Chains Of Love - 11
A Little Respect - 4
Stop / Crackers International - 2
Blue Savannah - 3
Drama - 4
You Surround Me - 15
Star - 11
Chorus - 3
Love To Hate You - 4
Am I Right? - 15
Breath Of Life - 8
Abbaesque EP - 1 (5wk)
Who Needs Love (Remix) - 10

Pet Shop Boys
Heart - 1 (3wk*)
Domino Dancing - 7
Left To My Own Devices - 4
It's Alright - 5
So Hard - 4
Being Boring - 20
Where The Streets - 4
Jealousy - 12
DJ Culture - 13
Was It Worth It? - 24

Erasure had 9 Top 10 hits in that period compared to 6 for Pet Shop Boys, and whereas Pet Shop Boys were clearly trending downward in terms of chart placings, such a trend was not so evident for Erasure whose chart decline didn't really manifest until late 1994. If you ignore Heart, and relegate that to the Actually era, it certainly doesn't make for a pretty comparison.

Erasure's prior three albums (The Innocents, Wild, and Chorus) had all topped the charts, whereas Pet Shop Boys were yet to score a number one album. Also, in the battle of singles discographies, Erasure's Pop! topped the charts at #1, whereas Discography only managed to get to #3 twelve months prior. If that differential was used as a proxy for how the British public regarded their respective achievements to date, it would be cause for some trepidation.

Meanwhile, Pet Shop Boys had done Performance, which was highly regarded but lost a fortune, whereas Erasure had been getting by fine just doing whatever low-budget, slapdash concert performances they'd been doing with Andy prancing about in a leotard.

If Neil does indeed compare himself to others in such a way, then maybe there is something to it. Against that backdrop, Very and Discovery make perfect sense - and of course Yesterday, When I Was Mad.

Retro. :)
Also Erasure played a sold out Milton Keynes Bowl in 1990 that was broadcast live on Radio 1. That's 58,000 happy campers whereas to my knowledge PSB have never played big open air concerts except at festivals.

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Nina wrote:
retrofuturist wrote: Wed 16 Jun 2021, 11:38 pm Greetings,
Devices wrote: Wed 16 Jun 2021, 6:16 am I bet than in 1992 he was paranoid about Erasure.
It's understandable. Take a look at their respective UK singles chart performances for singles released from 1988-1992, as the PSB "Imperial Phase" began to wane.

Erasure
Ship Of Fools - 6
Chains Of Love - 11
A Little Respect - 4
Stop / Crackers International - 2
Blue Savannah - 3
Drama - 4
You Surround Me - 15
Star - 11
Chorus - 3
Love To Hate You - 4
Am I Right? - 15
Breath Of Life - 8
Abbaesque EP - 1 (5wk)
Who Needs Love (Remix) - 10

Pet Shop Boys
Heart - 1 (3wk*)
Domino Dancing - 7
Left To My Own Devices - 4
It's Alright - 5
So Hard - 4
Being Boring - 20
Where The Streets - 4
Jealousy - 12
DJ Culture - 13
Was It Worth It? - 24

Erasure had 9 Top 10 hits in that period compared to 6 for Pet Shop Boys, and whereas Pet Shop Boys were clearly trending downward in terms of chart placings, such a trend was not so evident for Erasure whose chart decline didn't really manifest until late 1994. If you ignore Heart, and relegate that to the Actually era, it certainly doesn't make for a pretty comparison.

Erasure's prior three albums (The Innocents, Wild, and Chorus) had all topped the charts, whereas Pet Shop Boys were yet to score a number one album. Also, in the battle of singles discographies, Erasure's Pop! topped the charts at #1, whereas Discography only managed to get to #3 twelve months prior. If that differential was used as a proxy for how the British public regarded their respective achievements to date, it would be cause for some trepidation.

Meanwhile, Pet Shop Boys had done Performance, which was highly regarded but lost a fortune, whereas Erasure had been getting by fine just doing whatever low-budget, slapdash concert performances they'd been doing with Andy prancing about in a leotard.

If Neil does indeed compare himself to others in such a way, then maybe there is something to it. Against that backdrop, Very and Discovery make perfect sense - and of course Yesterday, When I Was Mad.

Retro. :)
Also Erasure played a sold out Milton Keynes Bowl in 1990 that was broadcast live on Radio 1. That's 58,000 happy campers whereas to my knowledge PSB have never played big open air concerts except at festivals.
They’ve done a few - I’m thinking Thetford Forest, Tower of London, but I don’t think anything on that scale. Not in the UK anyway.
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They have in South America.

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