Neo-conservative government falls in Australia.

[alig]

ever since i went to school, i was brainwashed by my leftwing teachers into believing such crap as GW and evolution and many typically liberal talking points. and when you go to uni, it's even worse. campuses are notorious for their leftwing bias. and if you wanna pass your exams you better be palsy-walsy with your socialist prof. the same goes for the mainstream media: teeming with leftwingers and their blatant lies and distortions.
but finally i've seen through the socialists's shit and won't be fooled by them anymore.
yes, things can go wrong when people take action. no system is perfect. innocents get arrested and even sentenced in any country, not just in australia under the "neo-cons." god knows how many more get set to jail in socialist countries. but what's the alternative? do nothing? sit and wait for another terrorist attack? that's what socialists suggest. their solution: diplomacy. yes, if only we talked to bin laden and understood where they're coming from, it wouldn't be that bad. bollocks! appeasement never worked! you can only achieve something by the threat of force. the US use diplomacy but if it doesn't work they need to take actions or their threats become ineffective. the socialists never cared about the consequences of their actions. they are either naive or short-sighted or just so nefarious.
they can never think through the consequences of their actions. they think they're doing the right thing but fail to see the consequences that their actions might have. they never see the whole picture but insist on their own limited view.
the US spread more freedom in the world than any other country and yet the leftwingers keep lambasting them. maybe they can name me one socialist/communist leader that spreadmore freedom around the world than Bush. chanvez, maybe? or castro? or australia's labor party? under hussein, hundreds of thousands had been murdered and tortured, saddam had repeatedly attacked his neighbors and posed a major threat in the region. then Bush wipes him out and the oh-so caring socialists like gregf brush the newfound freedom in Iraq aside by mentioning the WMD issue. i thought they were all so concerned about people in dire straits. why didn't they care about the iraqi people? i'll tell you why: because they have such an ingrained hatred for any conservative and freedom in general that they cannot admit that it was the right thing to take out saddam. yes, greg, feel free to keep spreading your WMD lie and it's gonna show you up for who you really are. i think the iraqi people don't give a damn about why they are living in freedom now. only hypocrites do.

[glennjridge]

well I've always took what people say against the US with a grain of salt. thru history its targets have almost exclusevly been the people and countrys who were very deserving of targeting.

but to hear the banter on the internet you'd swear the US was taking down canada ,sweden and iceland.

the players in question thru history, germany, Iraq,korea,vietnam,somolia,panama,bosnia,kosovo,are a very sad lot to defend.

the left cant morally defend these places so they are left with all thats left,bringing up civilian casualtys.but to the left, they arent real people,they are an argument. nothing more. dead pawns used as a debate topic.

alive, they are looked down upon,invisible. dead,they are transformed to statistics on protest signs.

[pet shop boy]

ever since i went to school, i was brainwashed by my leftwing teachers into believing such crap as GW.

My nephew was told about GW by his teacher (he is 11), when i told him his teacher hadn't told him the truth, the poor boy was confused, he really believed his teacher, and what 11 year old doesn't.

We discussed it for a while, i asked him what he knew, he told me human's are destroying the earth, and that if we dont do something, we wont have a planet left to live on.

Can you believe that our children are being told this claptrap. Kids are learning that they are very bad people.

I offered the view that volcanoe's created global warming with carbon dioxide and the Sun (our God) keeps us warm, and he understood that, but he didn't wana go to school with that in case his teacher told him off.

He has a global warming folder, of which i learnt that plants create coal over time (well i can learn too), i got him to add what i say to his folder, his teacher gave him a X -4 grade.

Bunch of fascists rule our children.

I only wish he was my son, i'd have made national news with this.

[gregf]

socialist...socialist..socialist..

Alig, you raise too many points for me to address properly. Just for the record, let me
say again I am not a socialist, but am happy to pay my taxes for roads, hospitals and schools.

An amusing moment in the campaign during the labour policy speech. Libs (neo-conservative)
have been pork barrelling for years. Now inflation is out of control.
And the Labour leader said, "I promise to stop the profligate spending and wasting of money".
And the whole (Labour) crowd burst into applause and cheering.

So Alig, your stereotypes are so 1970s and out of date. Please turn over from Fox news.

Yes, Wikipedia is not a bible. But you will ignore anything I post form greenpeace.org
and I will disregard things you link from the Detroit Auto Industry new.com.
So linking Wikipedia is a good compromise, a halfway point, better than a link war.

..knowing now about the plight of the aboriginals I'm not sure your populace has any handle on morality.

I agree ; I am not defending the past. I admit my county's mistakes. The new government will work
hard to help the aboriginals, unlike the old one who had a terrible record there.

The old PM was infamous for once shouting down the Aboriginals and refusing to ever say "sorry" for the past.
It seems to me that right wingers all seem to have a problem admitting mistakes.

Glenn or Alig, I ask you the same question I asked Galata : Can you tell me about your countries mistakes ?

[glennjridge]

oh if I had to put something out there I suppose slavery comes to mind pretty easily, and the treatment of indians to some extent.

but if right wingers have a problem admitting mistakes, then the left wing has problems always trying to illicit apologys from the people they disagree with, when someone dares to not fall in line with their particular viewpoint.

I dont have any ability to go down a list and dictate what my countrys mistakes are.
its for history and the world to put them in their proper place cause at the time alot dont agree from area to area,era to era.

[alig]

socialist...socialist..socialist..

Alig, you raise too many points for me to address properly. Just for the record, let me
say again I am not a socialist, but am happy to pay my taxes for roads, hospitals and schools.

An amusing moment in the campaign during the labour policy speech. Libs (neo-conservative)
have been pork barrelling for years. Now inflation is out of control.
And the Labour leader said, "I promise to stop the profligate spending and wasting of money".
And the whole (Labour) crowd burst into applause and cheering.

So Alig, your stereotypes are so 1970s and out of date. Please turn over from Fox news.

Yes, Wikipedia is not a bible. But you will ignore anything I post form greenpeace.org
and I will disregard things you link from the Detroit Auto Industry new.com.
So linking Wikipedia is a good compromise, a halfway point, better than a link war.

..knowing now about the plight of the aboriginals I'm not sure your populace has any handle on morality.

I agree ; I am not defending the past. I admit my county's mistakes. The new government will work
hard to help the aboriginals, unlike the old one who had a terrible record there.

The old PM was infamous for once shouting down the Aboriginals and refusing to ever say "sorry" for the past.
It seems to me that right wingers all seem to have a problem admitting mistakes.

Glenn or Alig, I ask you the same question I asked Galata : Can you tell me about your countries mistakes ?

Show your true colours, greg. of course you are a socialist. i'm conservative and proud of it.
okay, so we have to constantly apologise to the aborigines and the native americans about having taken their land? let's face it: indians themselves were constantly at war with each other. fighting was part of their culture. then we come along and happen to be more successful at fighting and now we have to be feeling guilty over that, too? we didn't do anything that they didn't. we just happened to be better warriors. does this make it more right? i don't know, but what i do know is that we should stop making the aborigines into saints who lived in peace and harmony until white man came to destroy everything because they were neither peace-loving folks nor living in harmony with nature.

[alig]

ever since i went to school, i was brainwashed by my leftwing teachers into believing such crap as GW.

My nephew was told about GW by his teacher (he is 11), when i told him his teacher hadn't told him the truth, the poor boy was confused, he really believed his teacher, and what 11 year old doesn't.

We discussed it for a while, i asked him what he knew, he told me human's are destroying the earth, and that if we dont do something, we wont have a planet left to live on.

Can you believe that our children are being told this claptrap. Kids are learning that they are very bad people.

I offered the view that volcanoe's created global warming with carbon dioxide and the Sun (our God) keeps us warm, and he understood that, but he didn't wana go to school with that in case his teacher told him off.

He has a global warming folder, of which i learnt that plants create coal over time (well i can learn too), i got him to add what i say to his folder, his teacher gave him a X -4 grade.

Bunch of fascists rule our children.

I only wish he was my son, i'd have made national news with this.

word. the typical socialist notion is that we humans must be feeling guilty for our very own existence. of course they also argue that god is dead and that we are but random organisms created through evolution. is it any wonder that suicide rates among teenagers
in our affluent western world have skyrocketed? socialism is a true mental disorder that makes people feel miserable all the time. socialists don't believe in god and are desperate to find an ersatz-religion to feel sanctimonious about. hence GW.

[alig]

socialist...socialist..socialist..

Alig, you raise too many points for me to address properly. Just for the record, let me
say again I am not a socialist, but am happy to pay my taxes for roads, hospitals and schools.

An amusing moment in the campaign during the labour policy speech. Libs (neo-conservative)
have been pork barrelling for years. Now inflation is out of control.
And the Labour leader said, "I promise to stop the profligate spending and wasting of money".
And the whole (Labour) crowd burst into applause and cheering.

So Alig, your stereotypes are so 1970s and out of date. Please turn over from Fox news.

Yes, Wikipedia is not a bible. But you will ignore anything I post form greenpeace.org
and I will disregard things you link from the Detroit Auto Industry new.com.
So linking Wikipedia is a good compromise, a halfway point, better than a link war.

..knowing now about the plight of the aboriginals I'm not sure your populace has any handle on morality.

I agree ; I am not defending the past. I admit my county's mistakes. The new government will work
hard to help the aboriginals, unlike the old one who had a terrible record there.

The old PM was infamous for once shouting down the Aboriginals and refusing to ever say "sorry" for the past.
It seems to me that right wingers all seem to have a problem admitting mistakes.

Glenn or Alig, I ask you the same question I asked Galata :

Can you tell me about your countries mistakes ?

Me 'ome turf Jamaica aint done nofing wrong. Jah bless.

[pet shop boy]

the typical socialist notion is that we humans must be feeling guilty for our very own existence.

They do that to control us.

of course they also argue that god is dead

If God died this planet would turn into another snowball, we'd all freeze to death.

and that we are but random organisms created through evolution.

How else did we evolve?

socialism is a true mental disorder that makes people feel miserable all the time.

You cant describe gregf and dannyc as having a mental disorder, thats "abuse"

[gregf]

Glenn, respect for taking it seriously. Anyone who can, will grow their soul.


Being sorry is not about apologies and cringing. It is a test of the person to
see if their heart is in the right place for tomorrow.

For decades the govmnt and churches took Aboriginal babies to be raised in white
families. It was a disaster. The Aboriginal children were told their parents were dead.
Often as adults they traced their mother to find she had only just died, grieving all the years.
Here it is known as the Stolen Children or Stolen Generation.

Howard the old neo-con PM, shouted down people who wanted him to say "sorry" for this.
In fact he would never say sorry for anything.

Now in opposition the conservatives have just elected another right winger. The moderate
missed by two votes. What swung it was the moderate was going to say sorry for
the Stolen Generation. The bitter old right wingers win/loose again.

Being a right winger means never having to say you're sorry.

[pet shop boy]

For decades the govmnt and churches took Aboriginal babies to be raised in white
families. It was a disaster. The Aboriginal children were told their parents were dead.
Often as adults they traced their mother to find she had only just died, grieving all the years.

Wheres the evidence of fact for this?

Howard the old neo-con PM, shouted down people who wanted him to say "sorry" for this.

You're a commedian, "shouted"?

In fact he would never say sorry for anything.

What did he do wrong?

Now in opposition the conservatives have just elected another right winger.

Thats got to be illegal

The moderate
missed by two votes. What swung it was the moderate was going to say sorry for
the Stolen Generation.

The far right are moderate too.

The bitter old right wingers win/loose again. Being a right winger means never having to say you're sorry.

STEVE, ABUSE by gregf.

[gregf]

Wheres the evidence of fact for this?

This is rock bottom, you no longer have my sympathy.
The Aboriginal children stolen from their mothers...

You're a comedian, "shouted"?

Yes, shouted down those who sympathise with Aboriginals.


I don't exaggerate. Psb by defending this miserable old man,
this man who defends the Vietnam war,
who defends the stealing of Aboriginal children,
who says refugees are scum who throw their children overboard,
who attacks the black armband view of history,
who says there is no GW,
who took away your overtime and sick leave,
who says the coal industry is more important than anything,
who defends Israel's war in Lebanon,
because Lebanese are all inbreeds,
who gave Saddam Hussein cold hard cash in US dollars for wheat,
who defends George Bush, (ahh that will get alig going),
who shouted down those who wanted reconciliation with Aboriginals,
who defends the Cronulla rioters,
you,
are why conservatives are morally bankrupt,
and you have reached very rock bottom, rock bottom.

Please tell us more.

And yes alig I will fight Fascism while there is breath in my white body,
because I have experienced Fascism in my face for 11 years,
and because that is the right thing to do.

[pet shop boy]

The Aboriginal children stolen from their mothers...

Wheres the evidence of fact for this?

Yes, shouted down those who sympathise with Aboriginals.

Was it a yell?

who defends the stealing of Aboriginal children

Openly, or do you have secret information that supports this claim?

who says refugees are scum who throw their children overboard

He really used that word?

who attacks the black armband view of history

Do you defend white history?

who says there is no GW

When did he say that?

because Lebanese are all inbreeds

Quote?

who gave Saddam Hussein cold hard cash in US dollars for wheat

Cold hard cash, as Neil once said, "cash, how much", ahem, how did he smuggle cold hard cash out of australia and into iraq?

And yes alig I will fight Fascism while there is breath in my white body,
because I have experienced Fascism in my face for 11 years,
and because that is the right thing to do.

Yes we must all fight fascists. I dont think you know the meaning of the word, what version are you describing?

gregf, you seem terryfied of explaining the meaning of words you use, if you explain them, then i'll know what you mean, but your definition doesn't stand with what you say.

[Danny C]

Your first point:

The Aboriginal children stolen from their mothers...

Wheres the evidence of fact for this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generation

Frankly the fact that you feel equipped to even have an opinion on this sort of thing, despite total ignorance of the issues at hand, is absolutely frightening.

Needless to say, I'm not even going to bother reading or replying to the rest of your terminally-uninformed horseshit.

[pet shop boy]

Your first point:

The Aboriginal children stolen from their mothers...

Wheres the evidence of fact for this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generation

Frankly the fact that you feel equipped to even have an opinion on this sort of thing, despite total ignorance of the issues at hand, is absolutely frightening.

Needless to say, I'm not even going to bother reading or replying to the rest of your terminally-uninformed horseshit.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear, more ABUSE from dannyc.

How you can use wikipedia as an example of absolute fact is beyond me.

WIKIPEDIA IS AN OPINIONATED WEBSITE SET UP FOR PEOPLE TO GIVE THEIR OPINIONS ON LIFE.

Very interesting how left wingers use it, as it was founded by 2 left wing americans.

Are you aware that white christian europeans were enslaved by north african muslims before white europeans enslaved africans?

wikipedia doesn't talk about white slaves by non whites, i wonder why?