Freedom of speech Vs PSB forum rules

[dVTB]

If i dislike homosexuals on this website, i'll be breaking the rules.

Forum rules don't say anything about disliking homosexuals. There's only a rule about posting homophobic comments.

It is sensible to be homophobic, but that would be breaking the rules...

It's not sensible to be homophobic. It's extremely short-sighted, narrow-minded and in the case of being a Pet Shop Boys-fan also extremely bizarre and hypocrite. The main point is: you can be as homophobic as you want to be, you only cannot post homophobic posts on this forum, without breaking rules.

As long as 29-year olds and 36-year olds dicuss global warming using words like "fascists", "retards", it's clear that self moderation will not work.

I WAS DEFENDING MYSELF. If someone attacks you verbally, you're entitled to attack them back aren't you, yes, thats what i did.

No, you aren't. Check the forum rules:

Personal threats and insults toward fellow forum members are unacceptable.

If you are unhappy with what someone has posted, bring your concerns to the attention of a moderator via a PM. Don’t just wade in and start an argument. If the other poster has broken forum rules, we’ll deal with it. If not, we’ll attempt to resolve the dispute in private. There’s no need for public arguments. This also applies if you think we have missed an infringement of the rules. We’re not robots, so there’s a chance we will miss things. Bring them to our attention!

Anyway: if you feel that you can't live with the forum rules of this forum, stop contributing. Nobody forces you to post and alternative forums are available. Perhaps one of those forums is exactly what you're looking for. Bye!

[glennjridge]

Can members be tracked by logging their IP or something along those lines? Would this stop banned members simply re-registering?

I've never understood how that works as I remember being told if you sign off then sign back on your IP always changes anyways.

not sure if we have some sort of master IP running in the background or somethin.

[Undertaker]

Pet Shop Boys is obviously a Muslim, therefore, probably hates all gay people and is ready to vent his anger. He knows he cannot post anything homophobic, so he is looking for controversy that isnt there. The point of all these rants is baffling me.

[pet shop boy]

Forum rules don't say anything about disliking homosexuals. There's only a rule about posting homophobic comments.

A gay man on channel four about 3 months ago said that if you say you dislike homosexuals then you're being homophobic.

It's not sensible to be homophobic. It's extremely short-sighted, narrow-minded and in the case of being a Pet Shop Boys-fan also extremely bizarre and hypocrite.

Its important to know what words mean.

[dVTB]

A gay man on channel four about 3 months ago said that if you say you dislike homosexuals then you're being homophobic.

Good for you. You don't seem to understand the difference between disliking homosexuals (or being homophobic) and actually posting homophobic comments on this forum. You're really searching for a problem that doesn't exist. I would rather focus on some problems we DO have to deal with on this forum.

[so heart]

You may have noticed that there are certain rules on this website that forbids certain chat.

Forum Rules

The posting of racist/homophobic/sexist or other such bigotry is forbidden. This is a multicultural forum, and such actions cannot be tolerated.

I dont think many people even know what these words mean.

Lets take homophobic. The dictionary states that being homophobic means you dislike homosexuals and homosexuality. Are we supposed to like homosexuals and homosexuality even if were straight?

Sexist
sexism
• noun prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex.

Are we not allowed to stereotype against a woman, but women can stereotype against men, wheres the freedom in that?

Do not make posts of a graphic sexual nature.

If only

Personal threats and insults toward fellow forum members are unacceptable.

You couldn't do that towards me, i might enquire what you mean for personal enlightenment, but its a case of sticks n stones.

What constitues "abuse"? Were all different, someone COULD be offended if they were called a west ham fan, or accussed of voting lib dems, how would one know...

A Liverpool fan may be called an Everton fan, now to alot of people, that wouldn't mean much, but to the Liverpool fan, it may be highly offensive, on a par with a muslim being called a terrorist, i know i would hate being called a notts forest fan YUK!!

For example. “I disagree strongly with that.. I think this…”, as opposed to “I can’t believe you said that, you idiot!”. It’s always possible to get your opinion across without being rude or offensive.

Unless you're talking to dannyc ONLY JOKING!!!!!

So is it ok to jokingly call someone an idiot? If so, what happens if the joke isnt welcomed?

'Trolling' - the deliberate posting of messages with the sole intention of causing offence to other members - is not permitted.

Now ive been accussed of this trolling malarky, so as it says above, "sole intention of causing offence to other members", who decides to read my mind to say if my sole intention is to offend, how can anyone but ourself know this??

Answers on a postcard to StevePSB at PSB community forums forward slash dot com.

New forum members who join and 'troll' risk permanent exclusion without notice.

I wont admit, i dont care how much you thrash me, this is not sudan, and i demand a personal lie detector which i made earlier

The following is meant as a guide to behaviour on this board. If you follow this guide, you’re unlikely to upset your fellow forum members and you certainly won’t be breaking forum rules. Most of it is common sense. If you treat others as you would hope to be treated, and act like a responsible adult, you’re unlikely to go far wrong!

I like this one. Now as a youngster growing up, i was taught to respect my elders, show manners at every possible time and be kind to others. It wasn't hard, because in them days, society was a small mix of people who thought similar.

Today's society is very different, you can still show respect to others etc, as i did and then BAM, when i said something quite innocent, some folks here just called me all kinds of things, hey i brushed it off, im adult, sticks n stones n all that.

The deal here is that, because society is so diverse, we all have differing opinions, and that makes it harder for us to accept eachother, and this is why i like this rule, first rule, second line,
"1. This is a multicultural forum".

But because its a multicultural forum, means that people have different views, thus more chance of disagreeing...what a migrain this can lead to.

Steve, rather you than me mate. Im sure we'll all try and help you out, all hands on deck.

If you are unhappy with what someone has posted, bring your concerns to the attention of a moderator via a PM.

But Sir, someone just abused me for doing this, saying i cried to my mommy, *stamps feet* it aint fair Sir.

Don’t just wade in and start an argument.

I dint, i told you like the good little snitch bag that this website has now turned me into

If the other poster has broken forum rules, we’ll deal with it.

Whatcha gonna do? If you ban him, then eventually you'll ban everyone, if you dont, makes a mockery of the "rules"

If not, we’ll attempt to resolve the dispute in private. There’s no need for public arguments.

Anyone got the email address for my next door neighbours

AHEM!

This also applies if you think we have missed an infringement of the rules. We’re not robots, so there’s a chance we will miss things.

Apparently no one snitched on me, but you found what i said nay problemo hmmm

Bring them to our attention!

Right you are, tally ho, one for all and all for...er, sorry

Be especially careful when posting in topics concerning political matters. We are brought together here by our love of one band’s music, not by shared political ideology.

Love for one band? Oh of course, Erasure. Now im just being silly.

Yes, the BOYS, now men, Neil former Labour doner Tennent, now giving money to the lib dems

Let's make lot's of money. Altogether now, ive got the braun, you've got the brain.......

Political issues are some of the most divisive, so please make an extra special effort to be polite in these threads.

If you've done nothing wrong You've got nothing to fear
If you've something to hide, You shouldn't even be here
You've had your chance, Now we've got the mandate
If you've changed your mind I'm afraid it's too late
We're concerned, You're a threat, You're not integral, To the project

Try not to swear excessively.

So its ok to "swear" alot, excessive is an opinionated word.

Nottingham Forest are TWO swear words.

Thanks for your cooperation.
The admin team.

No, THANKYOU XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX



Point is, that one persons abuse/offense is anothers normality. There is no absolute.

Finally, i'd just like to make it absolutely crystal clear, that it is not my intention to offend or abuse someone unjustifiably.

great! this is a wannabe phd-work of someone who just wants to be right. *yawn*

[Danny C]

I just can't believe I was cautioned for tart comments towards Petshopboy, now here he is peeing all over the place, doing cartwheels as he gives us all the finger.

Pull the trigger Steve.

Ditto. The guy's sheer stupidity is more offensive than I could ever be - even if I tried.

[pet shop boy]

You don't seem to understand the difference between disliking homosexuals (or being homophobic) and actually posting homophobic comments on this forum. I would rather focus on some problems we DO have to deal with on this forum.

Oh dear.

HOMOPHOBIA MEANS DISLIKING HOMOSEXUALITY AND HOMOSEXUALS

HOMOPHOBIA DOES NOT MEAN HATRED OF ANY KIND

GAY PEOPLE THEMSELVES WILL TELL YOU THAT

Do

You

Understand

??

[pet shop boy]

Ditto. The guy's sheer stupidity is more offensive than I could ever be - even if I tried.

STEVE, MORE ABUSE BY DANNYC

[dVTB]

Oh dear.
HOMOPHOBIA MEANS DISLIKING HOMOSEXUALITY AND HOMOSEXUALS
HOMOPHOBIA DOES NOT MEAN HATRED OF ANY KIND
GAY PEOPLE THEMSELVES WILL TELL YOU THAT

Do
You
Understand
??

Good for you. You're talking about a complete non-issue. You can be as homophobic as you want. You can dislike homosexuals and homosexuality. You cannot post such comments on this forum. You really don't seem to get that. I give up, but I still suggest that you leave this forum and find an alternative place. You're obviously not able to actually understand the forum rules.

[Danny C]

You're obviously not able to actually understand the forum rules.

Indeed. The very title of this thread is ludicrous. There is no "freedom of speech" on a privately-run Internet site. it's up to the people who operate it how much or little freedom they allow. If the rules say you can't make vile anti-gay tirades, it's tough titties. This isn't Usenet.

[whateverman42]

I think everyones getting sidetracked on the homophobia thing. The central flaw in his argument is that he's being selfish:

I would think they're mad, and would ignore them like an adult should be capable of doing, other than the psycology of finding out how their brain works in coming to that retarded conclusion.

Im just not bothered if folk use words to berate me, unless it affects me physically, or someone treats me unfairly because of it, im very mentally strong, children suffer from words spoken against them.

Good for you, abuse, hatred, and ignorance don't affect you, because you're mentally strong. What about those who are bothered by little things, and don't want to mix these intolerant beliefs with PSB? Freedom of speech is overrated in society today, because it doesn't exist. I can't walk into a kindergarten classroom and start swearing my head off, even if that classroom exists in a democratic nation. Freedom of speech is a bit like communism; it's a utopia that will never be achieved because human nature won't allow it. People like you insist on purging their heads of all their dark demonic thought without regard to anyone else.

Not everyone is you. Although I agree with you, I don't let strangers ignorance bother me(which is why I'm simply rolling my eyes at you), I was not always at this stage. I was a kid once, and if I wanted to talk about PSB or anything I would be scared away by people like you. If you can't handle sharing, and being courteous, then go to a KKK forum. You'll be welcomed with open arms I'm sure.

[pet shop boy]

You're talking about a complete non-issue.

Its an issue because homosexuals are allowed to be hetrophobic, its unfair to have an unequal rule system.

[Frequency]

I preferred it back in the day when mental hospitals didn't have internet access.

[JSDOUVRES]

You're talking about a complete non-issue.

Its an issue because homosexuals are allowed to be hetrophobic, its unfair to have an unequal rule system.

Steve or a moderator, Ban this obvious troll!! Just take a look at what he has been posting and get rid of him! There is no question that he must be a piss take. The above post by him alone is enough proof that he has to go, not mentioning the rest of what he has posted! The forum is becoming a joke with all his crap. And he is lying about his age too. No way is this guy 36, no way!