History lesson for america!
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whateverman42
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Who cares about 9/11? What, a couple thousand died on one day? America can't be exposed to how shit the world is(even if its their fault) so they over-hype their tragedies. That flag ceremony at the Salt lake Olympics was so selfish, as if they are the only country in the world who has experienced strife. Yeah, 9/11 changed everything. Whatever, it's like a bigass baby stubbing its toe and wailing for everyones attention. Many thousands die every day and they don't implement solutions to stop it. A country of their importance has the obligation to set the world right, rather than cause conflicts by fumbling their way through issues they don't understand and have no business being in anyways.
- Deschanel
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Part of me agrees with you, part of me disagrees, and the rest of me looks at the holes in your logic.
Why do you say the US have the obligation to set the world right? A lot of neo-con right-wing Republicans would agree with that idea. I surely don't. That sort of thinking is just disaster on its face. Like in Iraq.
As for Changing Everything, unfortunately true. I actually agree it's been an overwrought pity party, but those 19 guys with box-cutters succeeded in changing this country, for the worse. Try going through an airport, the fact that there is absolutely no privacy anymore in our communications,- we-ve become a hostile, suspicious, and belligerent society, and it's a deep tragedy. Bin Laden succeeded beyond his wildest dreams, and the retarded man-child of a President we have, exacerbated this immensely, to make an understatement.
"Who cares about 9/11!" you asked. I would respectfully submit that a spectacular act of audacious terrorism and mass murder, played out live upon the world's screens in real time, is a significant event in uniquely 21st century horror, to say nothing of the dramatic destruction of the two biggest structures in New York City. It's too bad the death toll wasn't high enough for you to be significant or memorable. It's actually a miracle that only three thousand people died in two hours, in the most violent and horrific way.
I agree with you that callow and crass people milk it in every way possible. But just saying "Who cares?" is sort of a severely stupid way of ignoring what the aftermath has been, up to and especially including this disastrous crime of the Iraq war, with hundreds of thousands of Iraqi dead. These things are related.
And my country as I knew it has become an irrecognizable security state. Maybe that's why 9/11 actually does matter, DUDE.
Why do you say the US have the obligation to set the world right? A lot of neo-con right-wing Republicans would agree with that idea. I surely don't. That sort of thinking is just disaster on its face. Like in Iraq.
As for Changing Everything, unfortunately true. I actually agree it's been an overwrought pity party, but those 19 guys with box-cutters succeeded in changing this country, for the worse. Try going through an airport, the fact that there is absolutely no privacy anymore in our communications,- we-ve become a hostile, suspicious, and belligerent society, and it's a deep tragedy. Bin Laden succeeded beyond his wildest dreams, and the retarded man-child of a President we have, exacerbated this immensely, to make an understatement.
"Who cares about 9/11!" you asked. I would respectfully submit that a spectacular act of audacious terrorism and mass murder, played out live upon the world's screens in real time, is a significant event in uniquely 21st century horror, to say nothing of the dramatic destruction of the two biggest structures in New York City. It's too bad the death toll wasn't high enough for you to be significant or memorable. It's actually a miracle that only three thousand people died in two hours, in the most violent and horrific way.
I agree with you that callow and crass people milk it in every way possible. But just saying "Who cares?" is sort of a severely stupid way of ignoring what the aftermath has been, up to and especially including this disastrous crime of the Iraq war, with hundreds of thousands of Iraqi dead. These things are related.
And my country as I knew it has become an irrecognizable security state. Maybe that's why 9/11 actually does matter, DUDE.
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whateverman42
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I don't think dying in a building or plane crash is as horrific as the slow starvation poorer countries inhabitants endure. I think we've all heard the starvation and AIDS statistics for Africa. 9/11 casualties make a fraction of those who die preventably every day. America has the obligation to stop the famine and disease, every country does. Instead they whine about getting attacked one time in the past 70 years, and complain about immigrants enetering their country, even though they're ruddy immigrants themselves. I'm not talking about going into unstable countries to band-aid energy problems, but to solve human inequality.
Say my brother gets killed in a car crash. He lived a good life, married, had kids, good job, unfortunately cut short. I mean, a Westerner living in excess deserves a better fate, right? It's not comparable to those born in poverty and living under the most squalid conditions. I have no right to expect sympathy, not until all humans and countries are in the same boat. In this case, inaction and ignorance is killing millions. f*** 9/11 and a televised 'significant event'. It's hype masking the real problems in the world. I won't even get into the fact America has caused all these problems for themselves by fumbling and bumbling their way through issues they have no right being in in the Middle East.
Say my brother gets killed in a car crash. He lived a good life, married, had kids, good job, unfortunately cut short. I mean, a Westerner living in excess deserves a better fate, right? It's not comparable to those born in poverty and living under the most squalid conditions. I have no right to expect sympathy, not until all humans and countries are in the same boat. In this case, inaction and ignorance is killing millions. f*** 9/11 and a televised 'significant event'. It's hype masking the real problems in the world. I won't even get into the fact America has caused all these problems for themselves by fumbling and bumbling their way through issues they have no right being in in the Middle East.
- glennjridge
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oh brother. are you guys a comedy duo?
nobodys handing out awards here so why dont you save us the lecture from financially secure people living safely in the west pretending they are knowledgeable about the sufferings of others in other parts of the globe and are now going to school all us evil americans about the plight of starving people who are simply your chess pawns to further your goofball anti-US arguments.
you two self agonizing pretentious clowns should be nominated for best supporting actors in a comedy.
nobodys handing out awards here so why dont you save us the lecture from financially secure people living safely in the west pretending they are knowledgeable about the sufferings of others in other parts of the globe and are now going to school all us evil americans about the plight of starving people who are simply your chess pawns to further your goofball anti-US arguments.
you two self agonizing pretentious clowns should be nominated for best supporting actors in a comedy.
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- glennjridge
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yeah. also I cant stand this self loathing masochistic penchant some oddballs in the west have to try and make the rest of us feel guilty for the failures of the cultures and systems of other countrys elsewhere in on the globe.
its never sincere. its done by people who sit in starbucks sipping frapachino's while typing on a laptop.
its never sincere. its done by people who sit in starbucks sipping frapachino's while typing on a laptop.
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