CENTRAL ERASURE TOPICS

[Undertaker]

Wouldn't it make more business sense for a label to think, "oh the last album didn't do as well as we wanted, maybe we should invest more money in it this time to try and sell more" or would that make too much sense to you.

No, it would make no sense at all. It would be beating a dead horse. Throwing more and more money at dead wood is a fast lane to bankruptcy. I don't know why i even have to explain that, it's that obvious.

[JSDOUVRES]

Has he? Good to see you too getting on well, You can join the Erasure haters club together!
You claim that a budget is made for an album depending on how well the previous album does, and I disagree, So what has Danny C said to change my mind? Nothing apart from that PSB got to number 2 in Norway! Brilliant!
You no longer like Erasure so you have now decided to slate the group because of that, well done!
Sorry Potemkin was Tennant/Lowe unlike PSB who happen to also be a certain Tennant and Lowe. Obviously a different Tennant/Lowe.
I bet your the kind of person that would say how great PSB covers were of Go West, Always on my mind and Somewhere etc. but slate Erasure for the Abba EP which is strange because I am sure they were given a huge budget for this ep hence it got to number 1.
Did you know that Erasure have sold 25 million albums worldwide since 1985, PSB around 50 million (according to various on line sites). Pretty good for both groups I would say and Let's not forget that Erasure are on the independant label mute while PSB are on EMI which is fair to say is a major label, perhaps the biggest in the world.
I am waiting for you to now tell me that the record label you are on makes no difference which I am sure you will but you cannot change the fact that 25 million is pretty good and should enable mute to give them the money to pay for the electricity bill at least for their new album. I'm not sure though, you tell me?

[Undertaker]

I bet your the kind of person that would say how great PSB covers were of Go West, Always on my mind and Somewhere etc.

The first 2 were brilliant. 'Somewhere' wasn't.

but slate Erasure for the Abba EP which is strange because I am sure they were given a huge budget for this ep hence it got to number 1.

Even Andy Bell hinted that the Abba thing started the decline. You are reading what you want to read again. I never mentioned anything about the budgets for Abba. I just thought it was crap and marked the beginning of the end. Thats my opinion.

I am waiting for you to now tell me that the record label you are on makes no difference which I am sure you will but you cannot change the fact that 25 million is pretty good and should enable mute to give them the money to pay for the electricity bill at least for their new album. I'm not sure though, you tell me?

You are trying to stir up new arguments but it's not going to happen. Couldn't care less who's on what record company. So thats put an end to that.

As for the electricity bill ;- I did hear that Mute might throw in a Halogen heater to keep them warm in the wooden hut but as for the toilet, they will have to make do with an outside one this time

[pulse]

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Re-read my post. It's full of great, revelatory information for you.

If you are alluding to Erasure selling so few copies that they risk getting dropped, then I would have a rethink if I were you. So now you tell me that Erasure haven't "earned" a good producer, or a good studio, but they will get dropped simply because they, what? Don't make enough money to warrant the printing of a CD sleeve and get distribution? Bravo. According to your self-scribbled brochure, if Erasure don't make money, they won't have money spent on them. You tell me, then, why *do* bands get dropped?

Full of paranoia. I know full well Erasure wont get dropped. You are doing what Douves does and are plucking out statements that aren't there.

Thanks for not answering my question. By not answering it, it says hell of a lot Well done. Seen as you couldn't answer it and have asked me to answer it for you, thats not a problem, as it's pretty easy to do so.

i'd say artists get dropped due to previous poor sales. You have argued on and on that labels do not base previous performances of albums, on any furture decision. God help any business you are in charge of.

''Hi Kylie, i'm Stephano. I'm in charge of you now. I see your last album sold millions. Doesn't matter though, you are out. As for you John Kettley, your weatherman song was absolute shite but f*** it, here is a 3 million pound record deal. Well done sir.''

I think this discussion is over

Wow. I can't believe you typed this out. You know, there's a whole world right outside your blinkers. You are stating obvious facts with extreme examples, then making it sound like there is only this pedantic black and white world you live in. I think you've lost the plot many pages ago, but this now takes the cake. You're right on one thing - this discussion if over, because the light of reality will never find it's way through your the useless paper charts and stats your wrap your head in.

It's unfortunate that the only thing more opaque than your surgically-implanted blinkers is your cranial bone.

[pulse]

but slate Erasure for the Abba EP which is strange because I am sure they were given a huge budget for this ep hence it got to number 1.

Even Andy Bell hinted that the Abba thing started the decline. You are reading what you want to read again. I never mentioned anything about the budgets for Abba. I just thought it was crap and marked the beginning of the end. Thats my opinion.

Yes JSDOUVRES, according to the label genius on here, Abba-esque being #1 for five weeks couldn't allow Mute to make a better video for "Always" and those other wonderfully expensive videos for "Run To The Sun" and "I Love Saturday"... plus, Abba-esque's success was so massive that Mute couldn't even release a fourth single from I Say I Say I Say. Not to mention, the enormous success of Abba-esque (and Pop! that same year) made Mute throw *so* much money for a producer (Vince's friend Martyn Ware lol!) and a production studio (Vince's free dome studio).

Bravo! Yet another great theory brought to you courtesy of Dave. Stay tuned next week, folks, when Dave brings you genius advice on how to breathe in by exhaling, and breathe out by inhaling!

[pulse]

I really don't understand you Undertaker. You don't like Erasure since the Chorus days or so, you slag off everything post that era ( or whenever you think they were any good at all) but you do still bother to check out their further output, you're well informed about the band, you visit the Erasure forum frequently & are up to date everything related etc. Is it some kind of S/M thing? To put yourself freely through so much unpleasant experiences? What is your purpose in your constant teaching the Erasure fans how shit Erasure are? I'll say you beat the air then . There're many groups I don't like or I feel became worse than before but I'd never bother waste my time on them like you do on Erasure. You see, it's not a problem that you don't like Erasure, but your constant bitching appears rather empty and stupid when your opinions are based only on chartplaces,sales figures and your own taste.

You wrote in one paragraph what took me pages over the ages. This is all that should ever have been said.

[Patrick Bateman]

Who's the girl in the Always video? She's lovely.

[tuff enuff]

I bet your the kind of person that would say how great PSB covers were of Go West, Always on my mind and Somewhere etc.

The first 2 were brilliant. 'Somewhere' wasn't.

but slate Erasure for the Abba EP which is strange because I am sure they were given a huge budget for this ep hence it got to number 1.

Even Andy Bell hinted that the Abba thing started the decline. You are reading what you want to read again. I never mentioned anything about the budgets for Abba. I just thought it was crap and marked the beginning of the end. Thats my opinion.

I am waiting for you to now tell me that the record label you are on makes no difference which I am sure you will but you cannot change the fact that 25 million is pretty good and should enable mute to give them the money to pay for the electricity bill at least for their new album. I'm not sure though, you tell me?

You are trying to stir up new arguments but it's not going to happen. Couldn't care less who's on what record company. So thats put an end to that.

As for the electricity bill ;- I did hear that Mute might throw in a Halogen heater to keep them warm in the wooden hut but as for the toilet, they will have to make do with an outside one this time

Oh I see, so when you're being presented to the facts that destroy your theories you suddenly " couldn't care less". You also tend to use one theory when you need to disfavour one group and suddenly you use the same theory to favour another group. How selective and manipulative of you

[Undertaker]

Yes JSDOUVRES, according to the label genius on here, Abba-esque being #1 for five weeks couldn't allow Mute to make a better video for "Always" and those other wonderfully expensive videos for "Run To The Sun" and "I Love Saturday"... plus, Abba-esque's success was so massive that Mute couldn't even release a fourth single from I Say I Say I Say. Not to mention, the enormous success of Abba-esque (and Pop! that same year) made Mute throw *so* much money for a producer (Vince's friend Martyn Ware lol!) and a production studio (Vince's free dome studio).

Bravo! Yet another great theory brought to you courtesy of Dave. Stay tuned next week, folks, when Dave brings you genius advice on how to breathe in by exhaling, and breathe out by inhaling!

Deary me. Here we go again. You are doing what Dourves does. Somehow managing to pluck comments out that dont exist. Could you please show me where i've mentioned Abbaesque and it doing poorly? I said it was embarressing. I hated it then i still do. Maybe i shouldn't have mentioned it and saved such a comment for chapter 25 but i certainly haven't said the Abba record sold poorly. Thats a discussion for another day

Moving on ;- Obviously i should have known that you wouldn't let this budget thing lie, which is fair enough. you think you are right and i think i am. I'm actually interested in this budget thing and as you claim to work with record labels every day, i'd like to know how it works.

So you say that record companies do not issue budgets for future releases, based on previous figures. I asked you why record companies drop artists and you never answered. That didn't look good on your part, to be honest. Anyway, being a fair guy, i'm going to let you have another go

Seriously, i'd like to know what criteria a record company uses to budget an artists next album..

[JSDOUVRES]

Yes, record companies drop artists but PSB and Erasure have a big enough fanbase alone to insure that will not happen to them. Total pop wasn't a total flop as it got into the top 30 and will sell slowly like greatest hit's albums often do (like popart)
So now you even say you have no idea how a record company budgets a new album! I thought you knew!
I imagine it depends a lot on what the artist wants or needs, I don't imagine Erasure or PSB album would cost that much that the record label would have to hold them to a fixed budget. Vince has just moved to the USA to write the new Erasure album and he has probably brought a house out there or something. It is fair to say that Vince has a quid or two.

[skyhigh]

How badly did Total Pap perform in the charts then?

[Undertaker]

Yes, record companies drop artists but PSB and Erasure have a big enough fanbase alone to insure that will not happen to them.

Whats that got to do with anything? No one has mentioned anything about Erasure being dropped. you are an expert at finding things that haven't been said.

Total pop wasn't a total flop as it got into the top 30 and will sell slowly like greatest hit's albums often do (like popart)

PopArt went gold in it's first few weeks. Total Pop has sold 15,000 copies in 2 weeks. It's flopped big time. Sorry but thats not a great performance.

So now you even say you have no idea how a record company budgets a new album! I thought you knew!

Please point me in the direction where i said i have ''no idea.'' Either discuss a topic properly or go sit in the cheap seats. You are constantly finding quotes that don't exist. It's starting to look like you are on a wind up.

Vince has just moved to the USA to write the new Erasure album and he has probably brought a house out there or something. It is fair to say that Vince has a quid or two.

Couldn't care less if he moved to Mars, or how much money he has. Thats not what we are discussing.

[JSDOUVRES]

You said "Seriously, i'd like to know what criteria a record company uses to budget an artists next album" just a few posts up which is strange from what you have said before. Maybe you should pay more attention or are you here on a wind up? One minute you are the expert the next you say what you did above!
So total pop has sold 15,000 or so you claim, would that be just UK or worldwide? Not the end of the world either, I am sure it will sell OK over time. Obviously no matter what it sells it will be a flop to you, that is without doubt. It still managed to get to 21 or whatever it was so that also tells you that cd sales are quite small at the moment. Still a great boxset package no matter how many it sells.
So you mention about record companies dropping artists which is apparently on topic, I mention that PSB and Erasure are safe on their labels because of a good fanbase and you are not happy about it. Sorry I didn't realize it was you that decided what is on or off topic but I think you'll find that what I said is quite on topic concerning what we are now discussing!
You are obsessed with record sales, I just hope "Yes" sells well otherwise you may fall into some kind of depression.

[tuff enuff]

How badly did Total Pap perform in the charts then?

It did much better....than you.....ever will

[Undertaker]

You are obsessed with record sales, I just hope "Yes" sells well otherwise you may fall into some kind of depression.

You need to take a look at your last few half a dozen posts and you wil lsee that sales and chart positions are all you have gone on about (apart from plucking quotes out the air that don't exist )

As for budgets etc, i believe i'm right but i'm prepared to accept any facts to the contrary. Hence the question. I've already suggested record companies drop artists due to poor sales. If i'm wrong, thats fine. I've not seen any evidence to suggest otherwise though.