Do you think "Nonetheless" has any song that could get into a Top 30 of best songs from PSB of all time?

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Has "Nonetheless" one or more songs that you think could get into the Top 30?

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#46 Post by Disco. »

Undertaker wrote: Fri 26 Jul 2024, 4:45 pm A New Bohemia. It's a dead cert.

I think Nonetheless will easily stand the test of time. It's outstanding.

PSB are probably as popular as they've ever been. They're constantly in the media. It's a feat in itself.
Yes, it certainly is !

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Undertaker wrote: Fri 26 Jul 2024, 4:45 pm PSB are probably as popular as they've ever been. They're constantly in the media. It's a feat in itself.
Of course not.

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Undertaker wrote: Fri 26 Jul 2024, 4:45 pm PSB are probably as popular as they've ever been. They're constantly in the media. It's a feat in itself.
Absolutely!

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Nickname wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024, 12:53 am
Undertaker wrote: Fri 26 Jul 2024, 4:45 pm PSB are probably as popular as they've ever been. They're constantly in the media. It's a feat in itself.
Of course not.
Think you'll find that they probably are. Their tours are bigger and more popular than ever. They are on t.v and radio all the time with their own dedicated shows.

Popularity isn't based on how high Suburbia gets in the Spanish top 40, thankfully.

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Undertaker wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024, 1:59 pm
Nickname wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024, 12:53 am
Undertaker wrote: Fri 26 Jul 2024, 4:45 pm PSB are probably as popular as they've ever been. They're constantly in the media. It's a feat in itself.
Of course not.
Think you'll find that they probably are. Their tours are bigger and more popular than ever. They are on t.v and radio all the time with their own dedicated shows.

Popularity isn't based on how high Suburbia gets in the Spanish top 40, thankfully.
You are talking about UK, basically. Not the rest of the world.

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#51 Post by DJAMIX »

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Nickname wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024, 5:25 pm
Undertaker wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024, 1:59 pm
Nickname wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024, 12:53 am

Of course not.
Think you'll find that they probably are. Their tours are bigger and more popular than ever. They are on t.v and radio all the time with their own dedicated shows.

Popularity isn't based on how high Suburbia gets in the Spanish top 40, thankfully.
You are talking about UK, basically. Not the rest of the world.
Obviously. If they weren't successful here, I doubt very much they'd still be going.

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Undertaker wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024, 6:09 pm
Nickname wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024, 5:25 pm
Undertaker wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024, 1:59 pm
Think you'll find that they probably are. Their tours are bigger and more popular than ever. They are on t.v and radio all the time with their own dedicated shows.

Popularity isn't based on how high Suburbia gets in the Spanish top 40, thankfully.
You are talking about UK, basically. Not the rest of the world.
Obviously. If they weren't successful here, I doubt very much they'd still be going.
Of course, so the right sentence is:

"Their tours are bigger and more popular than ever in UK".

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#54 Post by Vintage Youth »

It's also that they've now been (rightly) elevated to National Treasure status by a media and general public that had been a bit snippy about them in the past. There's definitely been a change in tone and a warmer reception.

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Vintage Youth wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024, 9:38 pm It's also that they've now been (rightly) elevated to National Treasure status by a media and general public that had been a bit snippy about them in the past. There's definitely been a change in tone and a warmer reception.
1981 - 1985: an unkown pop duo
1986: one hit wonders
1987: a big pop act for teenagers
1988 - 1993: a global and successful internacional pop group
1994 - 2003: a big pop duo but not as trendy as before
2004 - 2008: a cult group
2009 - 2011: a pop act to revindicate (resurgence in festivals like headliners, Brit Awards, etc)
2012: PSB elevated to National Treasure (Olympic Parade in Buckingham Palace, Closing Ceremony Olympics, etc)
2013 -2020: PSB get the recognition of a wider audience (different generations, cultures, races and from other music genres)
2020 - 2022: quiet time
2023 - 2024: established like pop legends

But I have no doubt they became National Treasure with that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIbhqOZp3E

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#56 Post by Patrick Bateman »

Nickname wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024, 10:37 pm
1981 - 1985: an unkown pop duo
1986: one hit wonders
1987: a big pop act for teenagers
1988 - 1993: a global and successful internacional pop group
1994 - 2003: a big pop duo but not as trendy as before
2004 - 2008: a cult group
2009 - 2011: a pop act to revindicate (resurgence in festivals like headliners, Brit Awards, etc)
2012: PSB elevated to National Treasure (Olympic Parade in Buckingham Palace, Closing Ceremony Olympics, etc)
2013 -2020: PSB get the recognition of a wider audience (different generations, cultures, races and from other music genres)
2020 - 2022: quiet time
2023 - 2024: established like pop legends

But I have no doubt they became National Treasure with that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIbhqOZp3E
I'd disagree with that, particularly the fairly awful, cheesy Olympic spectacle. Remember that was when they were trying to have an Olympic-related hit with Winner. :|

Ultimately, they were a massive pop group who then fell out of fashion, as pop groups tend to do, but whose songs were strong enough to last the course. It happened with ABBA, it happened with the BeeGees, it even happened with The Beatles in the 70s. Touring helps too of course but no-one with their back catalogue was ever going to disappear from popular culture for good.

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#57 Post by Durian »

Loneliness is strong enough to get into the top 30 for me.

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#58 Post by jasonjohn »

Who cares.

Nonetheless is solid album and many critics appreciate its artistry and relevance.

It's not like they just tour the suburbs of London with their concerts.

Modern music scene doesn't support too many long careers these days. You could argue Coldplay are more a greatest hits band now, even though they still occasionally chart with catchy fairy floss.

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#59 Post by Lleonard Pler »

They could have been one hit wonders. Instead 40 years into their career they have prestige, critical acclaim and cult status, with successful tours and popular festivals attendance.

Every single act that it's topping the charts nowadays would dream to achieve that in 10, 20, 30, 40 years but few (if any) will do it.

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#60 Post by Nickname »

Patrick Bateman wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024, 11:19 pm
Nickname wrote: Sun 28 Jul 2024, 10:37 pm
1981 - 1985: an unkown pop duo
1986: one hit wonders
1987: a big pop act for teenagers
1988 - 1993: a global and successful internacional pop group
1994 - 2003: a big pop duo but not as trendy as before
2004 - 2008: a cult group
2009 - 2011: a pop act to revindicate (resurgence in festivals like headliners, Brit Awards, etc)
2012: PSB elevated to National Treasure (Olympic Parade in Buckingham Palace, Closing Ceremony Olympics, etc)
2013 -2020: PSB get the recognition of a wider audience (different generations, cultures, races and from other music genres)
2020 - 2022: quiet time
2023 - 2024: established like pop legends

But I have no doubt they became National Treasure with that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIbhqOZp3E
I'd disagree with that, particularly the fairly awful, cheesy Olympic spectacle. Remember that was when they were trying to have an Olympic-related hit with Winner. :|

Ultimately, they were a massive pop group who then fell out of fashion, as pop groups tend to do, but whose songs were strong enough to last the course. It happened with ABBA, it happened with the BeeGees, it even happened with The Beatles in the 70s. Touring helps too of course but no-one with their back catalogue was ever going to disappear from popular culture for good.
Yes it was cheesy but they took part of the party like big ones.

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