History lesson for america!

[gregf]

Shouldn't PSB fans have more tolerance, open minds, and respect for others than ordinary folk ?

I see the US is backing away from support for General Musharraf.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7100322.stm

So (neo-conservative) America has learnt from history.

Where does that leave those who defend the policies of the past ?

[GalataPSB]

like what,offer their religion? thats the fundamental difference between the cultures.
the western cultures arent afraid to have other religions offered or practiced. there is no harm in missionarys.

really funny..

I also dont like the tone of other muslims who talk about the numbers game about how large they are becoming per country.

because it doesnt seem to be touted for the right reasons. its touted like" you unbelievers and your culture are numbered, just wait and see when we get majoritys.

We dont like the games..You can find the muslim population in U.N web-page, Cia,U.s gov web page...(I think they like the numbers game)

But, everybody admits,knows, Islam is one of the biggest religion of the world.The funniest thing is : In denmark (they do very bad things against Islam), in 2007 till september, 4500 people chose islam.(The source : a danish newspaper) and danish religion leader says : "We must tell the people the truth.We must workd harder against Islam""

4500 danish people chose Islam in 2007 till september.. It is really funny...The number(4500) was given by a religion leader..It is really funny..

oh, and even when the US admin sides with you on the PKK terrorist situation you go into Israeli/american conspiracys.

You need help..I am serious.Because, American politicians admits.(matt bryza) we have photos, israel agents in pkk camps, pkk terrorist that were arrested, admits..ex Pkk leader Abdullah ocalan (he is in prison) admits...


I think. you should open your eyes. I dont understand your hatred agains Islam religion. You blame Al-Queda... As i am a muslim, I blame it too..(But Al-queda was created by America, everybody knows this)

You blame Middle-east countries(King fahd, saddam,king hussein, kaddafi ...) As i am a muslim, I blame them too.. because they are dictators.. Islam forbids dictatorship.. AND your country supported Iraq, in iran-iraq war against iran..AND when you looked at the middle-east history, You will see S.Arabia and the other coutries are governt by Vahhabis.. Vahhabism = Made in England (after1ww)

I really dont understand. '

Go to X country, A latin country,An islam country,A poor/rich country.... There is a reaction against Israel.Because everybody knows, Israel (sionists) rules world.
In my old message, I said, The best place for a jew to live, is an islam country..

I dont know what it is with this mentality. unless your culture gets past this engrained conspiracy nonsense I dont see much hope for you ever being able to make nice with Israel. it makes it look like to the world you are incapable of rational thought and therefore looked down upon in comparison with other countrys in the union and gets Israel more sympathy.

I think you should read books about middle-east history /Israel ..You should read books about islam.My advice : Watch the movie : "The message - Anthony Quinn"

and if yvou are being threatened with terrorists turkey has every right to defend itself if Iraq or the US wont help out in that regard end of story.I believe Bush is for helping you on this issue whether you like it or not.

america supports terrorists. in the past terrorists were using russian weapons. they were buying them from russian maffia. And now they use american weapons.your country doesnt let us to bomb terrorists.

we learnt the biggest terrorist country is *******.

[GalataPSB]

What about the line that says fight those of the unbelievers?

which line are you talking about?

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/jih ... oran.shtml
Is that what Islam says?

In all religions, There is HOLY WAR against unbelievers and the other religions... remember The crusaders! King of England and the other kings came to the jerusalem with his/their armies! They killed a lot of muslims. They destroyed the countries.I am not telling you a story..Christians did very bad things against muslims for their JIHAD....Pope II Jean Paul apologize from Islam World for this horrible things...

jews invaded palestian land for their religion.It is a a kind of Jihad too..You respect them..But you dont respect Islam.. You dont have any tolerance...

[pet shop boy]

nobody has an issue with the US or british government saying the 9/11 or 7/11 are terrorists because they fit the definition of what terrorists do.only a small weird minority somehow assume it was an inside job.

What brought building 7 down?

as far as the WMD I dont know where you are going with that angle since saddam did in fact have them and did use them on some of his own people.

Did bush n blair find them in march 2003, NO, they wern't there. They lied to you, and you fell for it as did millions of others.

I dont know where they went, or if he destroyed them or transfered them

He was eventually found in a mud hole, did he store the wmd's down this 10 foot hole

Im no sadam/muslim/irag fan, i seek the truth.

[pet shop boy]

What concreate evidence do you have that 4 people intentionally blew things up on 7/7?

What concreate evidence do you have that our inteligence tell the truth?

Obviously the massacre of 52 innocent people and the thousands of lives that were effected by the attacks were something totally different. Please enlighten us on your theory.

I dont know what happened, and on something as massive as this, it is extremely difficult for me to believe what New Labour told us happened as they are extremely untrustworthy.

That being the case, i assume rightly or wrongly that New Labour/MI5 encouraged 4 muslim LOOKING men to act as if they were terrorists in a training exercise.
On the morning of 7/7, New Labour were conducting a terrorist training exercise.

I just cannot understand why these 4 men would blow up trains and a bus, why they wouldn't blow up the thames flooding the underground, doesn't make any sense.

Why didn't they blow up the crown in the Bank of England, that would set our financial structure back months minimum, and kill people.

One of the "bombers" was a teacher, so they wern't thick people.

[pet shop boy]

Shouldn't PSB fans have more tolerance, open minds, and respect for others than ordinary folk ?

Whats the difference between PSB fans and "ordinary folk"?

Should you have more tolerance and an open mind towards ordinary folk?

[Undertaker]

That being the case, i assume rightly or wrongly that New Labour/MI5 encouraged 4 muslim LOOKING men to act as if they were terrorists in a training exercise.
On the morning of 7/7, New Labour were conducting a terrorist training exercise.

I just cannot understand why these 4 men would blow up trains and a bus, why they wouldn't blow up the thames flooding the underground, doesn't make any sense.

Why didn't they blow up the crown in the Bank of England, that would set our financial structure back months minimum, and kill people.

One of the "bombers" was a teacher, so they wern't thick people.

Of course. Just like those who blew up the twin towers. That was a much bigger operation. Why didn't they go into space on their sacks of rice and blow the moon up, so it would fall onto Earth, killing millions. Thick as f***.

I reckon what they should have done was set their scruffy pubic looking beards on fire and set the entire country alight. Or just walked around the streets, killing people with their sweaty stench. After all, one of them was a teacher. How stupid of them.

[pet shop boy]

In all religions, There is HOLY WAR against unbelievers and the other religions...

jews invaded palestian land for their religion.It is a a kind of Jihad too..You respect them..But you dont respect Islam.. You dont have any tolerance...

Not all religions have, or wish to engage, in a holy war. I belong to a religious belief system that encourages everyone on earth to believe in who and what they are and celebrate their lives.

I dont respect any superhuman god fearing religions like christianity and islam, its all braindead nonsense. Quite likely these belief systems were set up to control people, and those at the top of them now do so.

Instead of worshipping something you cannot hear, see, touch, feel or smell, worship you for a change? If everyone worshipped themselves instead of something else, the world would be a better place.

[pet shop boy]

Or just walked around the streets, killing people with their sweaty stench. After all, one of them was a teacher. How stupid of them.

my marxist friend works with a muslim and she's forever complaining about his bo, trouble is, this marxist is SCARED of telling him for fear of being called a "racist", and she's never usually afraid of speaking her mind. She even has the power to sack him.

What a hellhole society we live in

[One of the crowd]

One of the "bombers" was a teacher, so they wern't thick people.

Shouldn't that be "weren't"?

[glennjridge]

a persons occupation doesnt mean anything. alot of the nazi were lawyers,doctors,teachers,judges. thats lost any credibility as some kind of angle.

I am not concerned with 9/11 conspiracys as you are suggesting all these devious mastermind plans when Bush didnt even plant WMD in Iraq to cover his own butt let alone credibility.

this is important and usually overlooked detail....you are suggesting some kind of devilish devious secret masterplan such as phase 1 ....9/11 with demolition teams,and hi-jacked airplanes by foriegners, and then expect us to believe phase 2 Bush and his team suddenly had no plan.

its contradictory and cant be resolved other than you saying something ridiculous like he didnt have to or forgot.you dont be at that high a level and roll the dice when it comes to something like 9/11.

[glennjridge]

galata I dont hate Islam or muslims.either do americans. but the extremist elements of that particular religion happen to be on the front burner of current events right not in this time of history.

just like in the 40's it was the nazi and japanese.it passed. but you cant expect there not to be negative blowback regarding your religion. even you have to admit you dont like al queda as you know they are an issue right now for the world and muslims themselves.

as far as the PKK,I really dont know what you expect. turkey bombs and fights the PKK in Iraq no less,Bush doesnt do or say anything.what more do you want I have to wonder.

[glennjridge]

Shouldn't PSB fans have more tolerance, open minds, and respect for others than ordinary folk ?

I see the US is backing away from support for General Musharraf.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7100322.stm

So (neo-conservative) America has learnt from history.

Where does that leave those who defend the policies of the past ?

thats not some event like you are pushing it, like a sort of opening of eyes that our ideals and policy have been wrong in history and now we are finally realizing it.

its more a case of public relations. its cold hard strategy. the US is working with pakistan and musharraf is making them look bad with recent policys so the way out is to push for democratic elections which is long overdo anyways.

[pet shop boy]

you are suggesting some kind of devilish devious secret masterplan such as phase 1 ....9/11 with demolition teams

its contradictory and cant be resolved other than you saying something ridiculous like he didnt have to or forgot.you dont be at that high a level and roll the dice when it comes to something like 9/11.

What brought down building 7?

Just because he is a "president", doesn't mean he's not capable of murdering innocent people.

By the way, i dont mind him invading muslim countries, atleast the muslims wont be coming here if he murders them.

I do have a problem with him telling the world that bad people are out to kill us and to stop this we must support him.

[pet shop boy]

even you have to admit you dont like al queda as you know they are an issue right now for the world and muslims themselves.

al queda isnt islam, they are muslims who work for the purse strings of america creating a false threat.