No no no!! Read your own messages again. You put all muslims in Terrorist category. Muslims don'T need any definition (description). Terrorist is Terrorist. That's all.Patrick Bateman wrote:
Erm, the reason I use the term Muslims is because:
i. the brains trust responsible for this plot were all Muslims
ii. their only rationale for blowing up innocent civilians (including fellow Muslims) is that they are Muslims. Genius.![]()
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The people who did this are in the wrong, not the Muslim faith. I think the (maybe poorly worded) 'thick Muslims' comments were directed toward those three, not generalising about a whole faith.
I personally abhor terrorism of any nature. The only reason Muslims are being reflected badly at the moment is because there are so many Western Muslim extremists and plots directed at the UK/US/'The West' at the moment. That much is totally undeniable. 20 years ago this stuff didn't exist - we'd have been condemning the IRA on their latest atrocity if only the internet and forums were around. At least I would have anyway.
Please, let's try to keep faith bashing of any nature out of this thread else it'll go the way of lots of other religious threads and be locked.
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I personally abhor terrorism of any nature. The only reason Muslims are being reflected badly at the moment is because there are so many Western Muslim extremists and plots directed at the UK/US/'The West' at the moment. That much is totally undeniable. 20 years ago this stuff didn't exist - we'd have been condemning the IRA on their latest atrocity if only the internet and forums were around. At least I would have anyway.
Please, let's try to keep faith bashing of any nature out of this thread else it'll go the way of lots of other religious threads and be locked.
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I don't think so. I've merely referred to the terrorists in the most recent instance, and the other alumni from Thick British Muslim Martyr School who are invariably involved in these plots.GalataPSB wrote:No no no!! Read your own messages again. You put all muslims in Terrorist category. Muslims don'T need any definition. Terrorist is Terrorist. That's all.
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I am not the only one thinking like that, Steve!!Danny C wrote:
I wouldn't characterise all Muslims as terrorists myself, and I don't think anyone else is either. But when thousands of Muslims keep trying to blow shit up, you have to ask yourself: is there something inherently rotten there?
To Danny C
Of course, We muslims aren't succesful about telling the True Islam to Westerners! I admit it. I don't blame you, because of your ideas. But you are wrong too. Because you categorize Muslims only looking at "Al-Queda" terrorists or Arab dictators. And As I am a muslims, There is no relation between Al - Queda and Islam.
Yes, They say "We do everything for Islam". But they aren't real muslims. They are some ignorant people. We should destroy them and teach Afghan people Democracy, Real Islam. Education destroys these bast@rds.
Islam was born against Dictatorship and dictators. But Nowadays, Islam countries is being ruled by dictators (Fahd,Kadafi,King Hussein etc.). It's ironic. No relation with Islam
As I'm a muslim, I don't blame you 100%. But You should know real Islam. We are sorry for 7/7 events. But The Al-Queda terrorists Bombed English Embessy,2 Synagogs and HSBC bank in that year in Istanbul. 60 people were killed. Pains are the same.
I try to understand you but you should try to understand me...too.
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I don't think so. I've merely referred to the terrorists in the most recent instance, and the other alumni from Thick British Muslim Martyr School who are invariably involved in these plots.
i. they're Muslims
ii. they're thick
Being muslims
Being Thick
I didn't like it.. Only "ii" could be enough.
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Here's a Daily Mail article about the kind of typical benefit-scrounging, thick Muslim terrorist we get in Britain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ender.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ender.html
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I think one of the key issues is that there is often no widespread condemnation by the 99.99% of peaceful followers of Islam towards those who kill in the name of that religion. Unfortunately any such silence tends to fuel the fire of those who condemn Islam and group categorise all Muslims as terrorists. If as is often quoted Islam is a religion of peace et al then please condemn those who pervert its teachings. Apathy and perceived silent endorsement will drive more and more people towards right wing groups and lead to a genuine 'war' between Middle East/WEst and Islam/Judaism/Christianity, exactly what these bastards want. As Galta says Ignorance and indoctrination is a large part of it, it was/is the same in Ireland., Palestine, Southern USA, Asia the young are corrupted and sing songs of hate in the way many of us sang Nursery rhymes.
Still waiting to hear the Adam Freeland, Manhattan Clique and Axwell mixes of Integral.
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Patrick Bateman wrote:So there are no thick Muslims then, Galata?![]()
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 548441.ece
You play "Word-Game".. Why do u use "Muslim" word? Use "Bas@tards, A**holes, etc." But you use "thick muslims."
I can't say "Thick catholic Hitler" "Thick christian Bush/Blair". It's too foolish. Because There is no conncetion between the religion and Their politics/Behaviors.
I agree with Flaffer!
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Bahahahahahaha!Danny C wrote:"Muslim" isn't a race, it's a deluded belief system, like Christianity, Judaism and Erasure fandom.GalataPSB wrote:So, You are racist, I am not.
I near died.
Listen without prejudice
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Erm, Hitler is usually referred to as a Nazi; both Bush's Christianity and stupidity are frequently cited.GalataPSB wrote:You play "Word-Game".. Why do u use "Muslim" word? Use "Bas@tards, A**holes, etc." But you use "thick muslims."
I can't say "Thick catholic Hitler" "Thick christian Bush/Blair". It's too foolish. Because There is no conncetion between the religion and Their politics/Behaviors.
And I'd say that there is everything to connect these thick Musims with their religion.
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Which makes you wonder how many people actually know what they are planning anyway. Maybe a deportation back to Pakistan of these three's family and friends should be on the agenda.Flaffer wrote:I think one of the key issues is that there is often no widespread condemnation by the 99.99% of peaceful followers of Islam towards those who kill in the name of that religion. Unfortunately any such silence tends to fuel the fire of those who condemn Islam and group categorise all Muslims as terrorists.
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Patrick Bateman wrote: Erm, Hitler is usually referred to as a Nazi; both Bush's Christianity and stupidity are frequently cited.
And I'd say that there is everything to connect these thick Musims with their religion.
Your stupid word-game is goin' on.
Why do you defend them? Why did you make a statment for them? We all know them.
Do you want a connect? No Problem! (Of course, I don't believe a connect between Christian Religion and Bush's/Hitler's behaviors/politic)
You want, I write :
Bush's Christianity? - Didn't this Christian and his christian soldiers invade Afghanistan and Iraq After He spoke to God? Didn't his christian soldiers kill thousans of people and rape men/women with this christian's order? Didn't this christian's Senato open Guantanamo? Didn't Your christian western justice hang Saddam Hussein without judging in a legal court?
Hitler and Nazis - He wasn't muslim/Jew/Buddhist/x/y. He was christian. Christian Hitler killed 6 million Jews!
I think we should choose correct words..
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Strive hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be harsh against them. Their abode is hell, and an evil destination it is.Patrick Bateman wrote:And I'd say that there is everything to connect these thick Musims with their religion.
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guides not a people unjust.
And fight them until there’s no fitnah (polytheism) and religion is wholly for Allah.
To name but three verses from the Qu'ran that justify acts of violence against non-Muslims.
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Danny C wrote:Strive hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be harsh against them. Their abode is hell, and an evil destination it is.Patrick Bateman wrote:And I'd say that there is everything to connect these thick Musims with their religion.
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guides not a people unjust.
And fight them until there’s no fitnah (polytheism) and religion is wholly for Allah.
To name but three verses from the Qu'ran that justify acts of violence against non-Muslims.
1 - I am not an Islam expert. If you have a problem or question, Ask your question to Islam Experts. There's nothing wrong in Islam. And believe me, You will find replies of your all questions.
2- We should talk about peace. You should try to undertand muslims not terrorists. We shouldn't say "My religion is better than yours" . No! That's wrong. We should respect each others religions. But If you give some examples from Quran without knowing What it is about, We don't talk about Peace. Look these examples:
Racism in bible
The promised land for the chosen people
[Gen. 26:2] The Lord said to Isaac, "To you and to your descendants I will give all these lands, and I will fulfil the oath which I swore to Abraham your father.
[Gen. 35:9] God appeared to Jacob... and said to him, "The land which I gave to Abraham and Isaac I will to you, and I will give the land to your descendants after you."
[Gen. 28:13] The Lord said to Isaac, "The land on which you lie I will give to you and to your descendants; and your descendants shall be like the dust of the earth, and YOU SHALL SPREAD ABROAD TO THE WEST AND TO THE EAST, AND TO THE NORTH, AND TO THE SOUTH."
[Gen. 13:14] God said to Abraham, "Lift up your eyes and look from the place were you are, NORTHWARD AND SOUTHWARD AND EASTWARD AND WESTWARD. FOR ALL THE LAND WHICH YOU SEE I WILL GIVE TO YOU AND TO YOUR DESCENDANTS FOR EVER.(to both sons) ARISE, WALK THROUGH THE LENGTH AND BREADTH OF THE LAND, FOR I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU
[Deut. 32:49] View the land of Canaan, which I give to the people of Israel for a possession.
Racism from the bible
[2 King 5:15] THERE IS NO GOD IN ALL THE EARTH, BUT IN ISRAEL.
[Deut. 7:6] You [children of Israel] are an holy people unto the Lord your God: THE LORD HAD CHOSEN YOU TO BE A SPECIAL PEOPLE UNTO HIMSELF,ABOVE ALL THEPEOPLE THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
[Isia. 43:4] Since you were precious in my sight, you have been honourable, and I have loved you. Therefore, I WILL GIVE MEN IN EXCHANGE FOR YOU, AND PEOPLE FOR YOUR LIFE.
Noah establishes racism
[Gen. 9:21] Noah DRANK OF THE WINE, AND BECAME DRUNK, AND LAY UNCOVERED in his tent. And Ham the father of Canaan saw the NAKEDNESS OF HIS FATHER, and told his two brothers out-side. Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it upon both their shoulders, and covered the nakedness of their father. Their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father's nakedness. When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him, he said, "Cursed be Canaan, a slave of slaves shall he be to his brothers, blessed be Shem, and let Canaan be his slave."
Paul and racism
[Gal. 2:15] Paul said, "We ourselves, who are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners."
[Gal. 4:22] For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave, and by a free women.
BUT WHAT DOES THE SCRIPTURE SAY? "CAST OUT THE SLAVE AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF SLAVE SHALL NOT INHERIT WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN" SO, BRETHREN WE ARE NOT CHILDREN OF THE SLAVE BUT OF THE FREE WOMAN."
Gentiles in the bible !!!
[Isia. 49:22] Thus the Lord said, "Behold I will lift up my hand to the gentiles, and raise up my signal to the people, and they shall bring your sons in their bosom, and your daughters shall be carried on their shoulders. Kings shall be your foster fathers, and their queens your nursing mothers. WITH THEIR FACES TO THE GROUND THEY SHALL BOW DOWN TO YOU, AND LICK THE DUST OF YOUR FEET.
[Isia. 60:4] Lift up your eyes round about, and see, they all gather together, they come to you. THE WEALTH OF THE NATIONS(in K.J.version: gentiles) SHALL COME UNTO YOU and the sons of the foreigners shall build up your walls, and their kings shall minister unto you...MEN MAY BRING UNTO YOU THE WEALTH OF THE NATIONS (in K.J. version: Gentiles) WITH THEIR KINGS LED IN YOUR POSSESSION. For the nation and kingdom that will not serve you shall perish; those nations shall be utterly laid waste. YOU SHALL SUCK THE MILK OF THE NATIONS(in K.J. version: Gentiles), YOU SHALL SUCK THE BREAST OF KINGS.
[Isia. 61:5] And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedresses. BUT YOU SHALL BE NAMED THE PRIESTS OF THE LORD. Men shall call you the ministers of God. YOU SHALL EAT THE RICHES OF THE NATIONS(in K.J.version Gentiles) AND IN THEIR GLORY SHALL YOU BOAST YOURSELVES.
Take usury from the gentiles only !!
[Deut. 23:19] "Do not charge your brother interest, you may charge a foreigner interest, but not a brother Israelite." (The word Israelite according to the Good News Bible)
[Deut. 15:1] Every creditor shall release what he has lent to his neighbour. He shall not exact it of his neighbour, his brother.Of a foreigner you may exact it. But whatever of yours is with your brother, your hand shall release.
Who are the dogs and pigs ?
[Mark 7:27] Jesus said to her who sought his help, "It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs."
[Math. 7:6] He also said, "Do not give that which is holy to the dogs, neither cast your pearls to the pigs."
Only 144,000 zionists redeemed and taken to heaven
[Rev. 14:1] On mount Zion stood the lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his father's name written on their foreheads.. They sing a new song before the throne.. no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is those who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste. It is these who follow the lamb wherever he goes; These have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits of God and the Lamb." (This phrase contradicts the concept of redemption of Jesus to all mankind. And deprives some prophets from joining these 144,000 Zionists, like David, Lot, Judah, whom the Bible referred to them cases of adultery with their own daughters, daughters-in-law, and their neighbours as mentioned at the beginning of this booklet.)
Kill women, children, animals !!
[Ezek. 9:5] And the Lord said, "Go through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have you pity. SLAY UTTERLY OLD AND YOUNG, BOTH MAIDS AND LITTLE CHILDREN, AND WOMEN.
[Num. 31:1] And the Lord said unto Moses, "Avenge the children of the Mid'-an'ites.. They warred against the Mid'-i-an'ites, as the Lord commanded Moses, and they slay all the males. And they took all women as captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
Moses said, "HAVE YOU SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? NOW KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES, AND KILL EVERY WOMAN that has known a man by lying with him, but all the young girls who have not known a man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.
[Josh 6:16] Joshua said to the people of Israel, "The Lord has given you the city (of the Canaanites).. all silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the Lord: They shall come into the treasury of the Lord. The people utterly DESTROYED ALL THAT WAS IN THE CITY, BOTH MAN AND WOMAN, YOUNG AND OLD, AND OX AND SHEEP, AND ASS, WITH THE EDGE OF THE SWORD.
Killing, kidnapping, slavery
[Josh. 16:10] So the Canaanites have dwelt in the midst of E'phraim to this day, but become slaves to do forced labour. (see also Joshua 17:13 and Judg. 1:30)[Judg. 21:10]
The congregation of Benjamin sent twelve thousand of their bravest men, and commanded them, "Go and smite the inhabitants of Ja'-besh-gil'ead with the edge of the sword; also the women and the little ones. Every male and every woman that has lain with a male YOU SHALL UTTERLY DESTROY.
And they found among the inhabitants four hundred YOUNG VIRGINS who had not known a man by lying with him; and they brought them to the camp of Shiloh, which is the land of Canaan. And Benjamin returned at that time, and they gave them the women whom they had saved alive of the women of Ja'besh-gil'ead, but they did not suffice for them.
Stealing women !!
And they commanded the Benjaminites, saying:"Go and lie in wait in the vineyard, and watch, if the daughters of Shiloh go out to dance in the dances, then come out of the vineyard and seize each man his wife from the daughters of Shiloh. And the Benjaminites did so, and took their wives from the dancers whom they caught.
Kill them and take their properties
[Deut. 20:10] When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it SHALL BE FORCED LABOUR FOR YOU AND SHALL SERVE YOU.
But if it makes no peace with you, then you shall besiege it, .. YOU SHALL PUT ALL ITS MALES TO THE SWORD, BUT THE WOMEN AND THE LITTLE ONES, the cattle and every thing else in the city all its spoil, YOU SHALL TAKE AS BOOTY FOR YOURSELVES; AND YOU SHALL ENJOY THE SPOIL OF YOUR ENEMIES.
Revenge, sword, fire !!
[Heb. 12:29] OUR GOD IS DESTROYING FIRE.
[Psalm. 94:1] O LORD, YOU GOD OF VENGEANCE.
[Job 7:21] Why do not you pardon my transgression and take away my iniquity?
[Ezek. 11:8] God said, "You have feared the sword, the sword I will bring upon you."
[Amos 9:1] I will slay that left of them with the sword, not one of them shall flee away.. I WILL COMMAND THE SWORD, AND IT SHALL SLAY THEM.
[Jer. 49:37] I will send the sword after them, until I have consumed them.(Let those who say Islam is the religion of the sword know that the word "sword" is never mentioned in the Quran while the Bible mentions it many times, in the way that you see here.)
[Ezek. 12:14] I will unsheathe the sword after them. I will let a few of them escape from the sword, from famine and pestilence.
The bible misrepresents God's mercy
[Jer. 19:7] The Lord said, "T WILL MAKE THEM EAT THE FLESH OF THEIR SONS AND THEIR DAUGHTERS, and every one shall eat the flesh of his neighbour.
[Levi. 26:14] If you will not hearken to me..21 I will bring a sword upon you.. 29 YOU SHALL EAT THE FLESH OF YOUR SONS, AND DAUGHTERS.
[Lam. 2:20] LOOK O LORD, AND SEE! WITH WHOM YOU HAVE DONE THAT: SHOULD WOMEN EAT THEIR FRUIT AND CHILDREN OF A SPAN LONG?
[Lam. 4:4] The hands of compassionate women have boiled their own children they became their food.
Sword and fire in new testament
[Math. 10:34] "Do not think that I have come to make peace on earth? I HAVE NOT COME TO BRING PEACE, BUT A SWORD. "For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother."[said Jesus]!
[Luk. 12:49] 'I CAME TO CAST FIRE UPON THE EARTH, AND WOULD THAT IT WERE ALREADY KINDLED..DO YOU THINK THAT I HAVE COME TO GIVE PEACE ON EARTH? NO, I TELL YOU, BUT RATHER DIVISION; for from henceforth in one house there will be five divided, three against two, and two against three. They will be divided, father against son, and son against father, mother against daughter, and daughter against her mother. [said Jesus]!
[Luk. 19:27] For these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, BRING THEM HERE AND SLAY THEM BEFORE ME.
[Luk. 14:26] If any one comes to me and does not HATE his own father and mother and wife, and children, and brothers and sisters yes and even his own life: he cannot be my disciple.
Jesus with his disciples
[Math. 14:31] Jesus said to Peter, "O man of little faith, why did you doubt?"
[Math. 16:23] He also said, "GET BEHIND ME SATAN! You are a hindrance to me, for you are not on the side of God, but of them."
Jesus with his mother
[John. 2:4] He said to Mary, "Woman, what have I to do with you." (I only quote here what I believe not because I believe that Jesus the great prophet of God was more polite and kind to his mother than what the Bible shows.)
[Math. 12:47] Then one said unto Jesus, "Behold, your mother and brethren stand without, desiring to talk to you" but he answered and said, "WHO IS MY MOTHER? AND WHO ARE MY BRETHREN?"
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And Islam.. There are 1.5 billion mulims in the world.It's the second biggest religion. In 2020(?) It will be the first. Why? Why do people become muslims? If It supprorts terrorism,If It is wrong, Why did Cat Stevens become muslim? or the other people... Didn't they read those lines in your example? Are they stupid? No! they learned islam feeling it. They didn't learn Islam looking at Sionist media and politicians.
http://www.yahoo.com Type "why did you become muslim" read the stories..
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