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Is human CO2 destroying our planet?

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Yes
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#361 Post by gregf »

homer1972 wrote:
glennjridge wrote:GW will only be taken seriously when the followers who carry the message dont seem like the most insufferable people you could ever come across.
Thank you glenn, I agree totally on this point.
So the merits of an issue mean nothing ? Carbon industry and corrupt politicians
can put human civilisation in danger but you don't listen because you are being
yelled at ?

The truth of the matter should be all that counts.

It is so easy to make a difference in stopping GW. And the people of the UK have
all ready done well. Elect a government that takes action to stop it.

The neo-con governments of Bush and Howard(Australia) have spent 11 years
(in our case) doing everything they can to undermine efforts to stop GW. Our
PM is on record as saying he will do nothing to risk our economy meaning the
coal mining companies. The people of UK can be proud of their contribution already.

How you vote, makes much more difference then turning off a kettle.
"Remember Bender, if you do it right, no one is sure you have done anything at all". -God. In Godfellas.

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#362 Post by glennjridge »

what, its human nature. how else can you explain why despite all the media attention GW gets, people in real life and from this very poll still seem divided?people arent connecting with the messengers.you cant blame politicians.people arent shook up on this issue,and so the politicians are following suit.

and I just gave you a perfect example in my last post of the problem concerning the ice caps melting and the problem with GW on whole.

I posted a report from the IPPC themselves. I just turned the science around on you using the science your trying to use on some of us who arent buying into the nightmare scenario.

if some of the messengers fudged and pushed forward a nightmare scenario about the ice caps melting submerging continents, who knows what else your up to.

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#363 Post by pet shop boy »

gregf wrote: It is so easy to make a difference in stopping GW.
You've got a plan to block the sun from heating this planet up, jeez its hot outside, and wouldn't you know it, the sun is blazing down on us today.
The neo-con governments...How you vote, makes much more difference then turning off a kettle.
So your version of GW is political. You back your far left friends, because they think humans are destroying the planet :roll:

Politicly, Bush and Howard are a mixture of centre left and centre right.

How much petrol do you use :lol:
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#364 Post by gregf »

pet shop boy wrote:You've got a plan to block the sun from heating this planet up, jeez its hot outside, and wouldn't you know it, the sun is blazing down on us today.
Let me know if you have any serious ideas.
pet shop boy wrote:
The neo-con governments...How you vote, makes much more difference then turning off a kettle.
So your version of GW is political. You back your far left friends, because they think humans are destroying the planet :roll:
Politicly, Bush and Howard are a mixture of centre left and centre right.
Holy crap. Tell me someone more right wing then John Howard. He exploited race and
fear to produce an intolerant divided nation. This is a country where the Cronulla Riots an organised ugly
mob beating up Muslims was defended by John Howard. How can you call him the
centre right ?
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#365 Post by pet shop boy »

gregf wrote: Let me know if you have any serious ideas.
If i had one would you try it?
Tell me someone more right wing then John Howard. He exploited race and
fear to produce an intolerant divided nation. This is a country where the Cronulla Riots an organised ugly
mob beating up Muslims was defended by John Howard. How can you call him the
centre right ?
Thats not how your media reported it, they showed him saying your immigrants are Australians, they should be welcomed etc. How did Howard defend the riots? Isn't Howard a multiculturalist?

Using wikipedia for balance reporting is like asking christians to find out if jesus existed :wink:

Didn't the "lebs" beat up a local Aussie on the beach which tested the patience of locals, which caused the riots?

I think you let your passion for far left politics get in the way of truth and logic.
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#366 Post by gregf »

John Howard makes George Bush like like a pink pussy cat.

His father was in the New Guard a fascist organisation in the 1930s who came
close to staging a coup.

While in opposition he made remarks against Asian immigration to capture the
racist vote.

On coming to power his first act was to withdraw Australia from ILO chair.

At one stage he was loosing an election and so he had photos made up of
refugee children in the water saying that the parents had thrown their
children in the water and that he (John Howard) was the person to stop
this sort of person coming to Australia. It was later proved the photos were
faked using Photoshop by his henchman Peter Wrieth.
http://www.safecom.org.au/kids-overboard.htm

Of course he won the election.

Another time a Norwegian ship, the Tampa, picked up refugees at sea. Howard would not allow
the ship into Australian waters, to offload the refugees. Again he won an election.
That he ignored international treaties of sea rescue is forgotten.

This is the man who swore Saddam Hussein had W.M.D. while at the same time
silencing our own intelligence people who knew Saddam did not have W.M.D.

This is the PM whose early acts in the 1996-7 period was to stop all government
funding and assistance to our flourishing renewable energy sector. We were once
a world leader in solar and wind power. All that is gone now. This is them man who
took the lead in undermining Kyoto, to help George Bush and the coal mining
companies who literally write government energy policy.

The Cronulla riots were organised by Nazis and stimulated by right wing shock
jock Alan Jones a good friend of John Howard. A lie was spread that Lebs had
beaten up a life saver. It turned out the life savers had come up to the Lebs swearing
at them looking for a fight.

I have talked to white Australians who were there. They loved the fight and are
strong John Howard supporters who they look up to. Afterwards Howard's reaction was
to say there is no racism in Australia. He could hardly criticise his own supporters.

John Howard has spent a decade trying to destroy our ABC (like BBC).
Once when caught out lying, he said he had "core and non-core" promises.

Australia has prisons for refugees that do make it here. I have seen people throwing
themselves on razor wire to escape. Howard loves it because it gets him votes.

Our media is now blatantly anti-muslim, daily running obscenely racist stories.

Their party is called the Liberal party but John Howard has a hatred for liberals.

His government has reversed legislation on Euthanasia and Gay marriage.
If two gays who are married come to Australia, legally they are not married.

Howard positioned himself with Bush sending forces to invade Iraq. It turns out
that his government was the worst offender in the UN oil for food scam. No
country gave more money to Saddam in bribes than Bush's good friend John Howard.

Howard gives $9 billion a year to our coal companies. China alone is opening two coal
fired power stations per week and has 400 planned. Thank you John Howard.

This man undermines the U.N. and international law such as treaties against torture.

I could go on for several pages detailing, the lies, tricks and abuse of power.
People in UK who whine about Blair, should consider how lucky you are. The
neo-conservative government we have had here is a nightmare.

This is what happens when the far right takes over you local conservative party.
This is what I fight and you and others speak in favour of : Fascism.

This is the man you defend. You can not sink any lower.
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#367 Post by james23_uk »

Why does Austrailia vote for him?
at rock bottom :wall:

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#368 Post by Fugitive1979 »

pet shop boy wrote:
DJ Danny C wrote:Less land. Not a problem for you maybe, but then, you are unbelievably dense.
Why would the amount of land that your graph showed us, be a problem?
Because there are only upland areas left. It won't be easy trying to rebuild Greater London in the Peak District along with Liverpool, Manchester, Bristol, Newcastle.......

Glasgow isn't so bad. It could be rebuilt in the M74 corridor and the areas of Edinburgh that are lost can be rebuilt on the green-belt south of the City Bypass. But which mountain shall they rebuild Dundee, Perth, Aberdeen and Inverness on top of?
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#369 Post by gregf »

james23_uk wrote:Why does Austrailia vote for him?
Hi James,

If they control the press with help from Rupert Murdoch, it is easy to scare 51%
people on a regular basis. And there is a pattern of apathy. If times are good,
they just don't care.

It has eased off a bit now, but for some time, the newspapers and TV daily had
stories about Muslims if not being possible terrorist, at least raping your daughters.

I think there is a good chance of tipping him out in 4 months.

I dont think the same thing can happen in UK. The strategy of these people is
to use fear to bring the working class Fascists to vote conservative. And I think
the British Conservative party would rather be in opposition for 10 years than
ride to power on National Front supporters. To it's shame our conservative
party did that deal with the devil.
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#370 Post by alig »

gregf wrote:
Can you elaborate?
Most CO2 has been caused by 1st world countries. Expecting China and India to take
the lead and act first seems a bit upside down to me.

This is also used as the excuse of the Bush and Howard governments.
"Why should we take action when China and India have not signed Kyoto ?"

It is just an excuse to protect their(Bush and Howard) sponsors in old carbon industries.
Why do you let them get away scot-free? Don't you realize that the only reason is to give China an edge over the vilified and hated USA? It would kill plenty of jobs in the USA. But that's the exact purpose of the Marxists. It's the carbon industries consisting of hard working people who gave us our wealth. Why do you have this ingrained hatred for capitalism? Because you're a Marxist.
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#371 Post by alig »

gregf wrote:
james23_uk wrote:Why does Austrailia vote for him?
Hi James,

If they control the press with help from Rupert Murdoch, it is easy to scare 51%
people on a regular basis. And there is a pattern of apathy. If times are good,
they just don't care.

It has eased off a bit now, but for some time, the newspapers and TV daily had
stories about Muslims if not being possible terrorist, at least raping your daughters.

I think there is a good chance of tipping him out in 4 months.

I dont think the same thing can happen in UK. The strategy of these people is
to use fear to bring the working class Fascists to vote conservative. And I think
the British Conservative party would rather be in opposition for 10 years than
ride to power on National Front supporters. To it's shame our conservative
party did that deal with the devil.
Rupert Murdoch, the left's bogeyman, because he dares challenge the quasi-monopoly of the leftist media. The vast majority of the news media are controlled by the left and they just cannot get over the fact that Murdoch is not one of them. You gasbag about how "neocons" wanna take away our freedoms and yet its you socialists who want bigger government and higher taxes and more control over people. Conservatives are for less government and more freedom. Is it any wonder that communists showed Hitler how to go about creating a fascist state?
Gregf, nobody with a modicum of common sense would ever buy into this baloney GW crap because their remedies have one purpose: Destroying our wealth. Is it any wonder most people don't believe this bullshit? Look at you and your hatred for the west and wealth and capitalism.
Obviously you are agenda-driven and not by your concern for GW.
You are a communist using GW to make people comply with your hip new socialism. If those warmingistas didn't come off as red fascists, I'd be taking them seriously. But sorry, no can do.
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#372 Post by pet shop boy »

gregf wrote: John Howard makes George Bush like like a pink pussy cat.
"John Winston Howard served as Treasurer in the government led by Malcolm Fraser from 1977–1983 and was Leader of the Liberal Party" :lol:

How many times do i have to tell you to take what wikipedia tells you with a pinch of salt.
His father was in the New Guard a fascist organisation in the 1930s who came
close to staging a coup.
gregf, every party is a fascist party, their all intolerant of their opposition.
While in opposition he made remarks against Asian immigration to capture the
racist vote.
You dont even know what a racist is.
On coming to power his first act was to withdraw Australia from ILO chair.
Whats ILO?
At one stage he was loosing an election and so he had photos made up of
refugee children in the water saying that the parents had thrown their
children in the water and that he (John Howard) was the person to stop
this sort of person coming to Australia. It was later proved the photos were
faked using Photoshop by his henchman Peter Wrieth.
http://www.safecom.org.au/kids-overboard.htm
Let me guess, safecom is a far left fascist organisation. You're quite politically deluded aren't you gregf. How about some middle ground thoughts?
Of course he won the election.
Thats democracy. Do you like democracy?
This is the man who swore Saddam Hussein had W.M.D. while at the same time
silencing our own intelligence people who knew Saddam did not have W.M.D.
Well that i agree with you on. You must hate Gordon Brown then too?
The Cronulla riots were organised by Nazis
:D the nazis are dead you pillock.
A lie was spread that Lebs had
beaten up a life saver. It turned out the life savers had come up to the Lebs swearing
at them looking for a fight.
Evidence?
I have talked to white Australians who were there. They loved the fight and are
strong John Howard supporters who they look up to. Afterwards Howard's reaction was
to say there is no racism in Australia. He could hardly criticise his own supporters.
So he doesn't believe in this racism you portray of him very much :wink:
John Howard has spent a decade trying to destroy our ABC (like BBC).
If your abc is like our bbc, it should be shut down or commercialised.
Our media is now blatantly anti-muslim, daily running obscenely racist stories.
Such as, expose them here.
Their party is called the Liberal party but John Howard has a hatred for liberals.
Its possible gregf, that you can be patriotic and liberal.

You dont paint a good tourist picture of your homeland.
His government has reversed legislation on Euthanasia and Gay marriage.
If two gays who are married come to Australia, legally they are not married.
Ideally i'd prefer it if there were no such thing as homosexuality, but whilst there is, 2 females or men should be allowed the same deal.

I can see a future in my crystal ball, when hetrosexuals live seperately from gay people, yippee.
Howard positioned himself with Bush sending forces to invade Iraq. It turns out
that his government was the worst offender in the UN oil for food scam. No
country gave more money to Saddam in bribes than Bush's good friend John Howard.
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!!
Howard gives $9 billion a year to our coal companies. China alone is opening two coal
fired power stations per week and has 400 planned. Thank you John Howard.
Nothing wrong with that, were set to open up 10,000,000,000 tons of our coal, money money money, it gets cold in the winter, we need to warm this planet up a bit :D
This man undermines the U.N. and international law such as treaties against torture.
Well the UN are a nobody organisation. They cant do jack with Bush say so.
People in UK who whine about Blair, should consider how lucky you are.
Bliar is the worst PM England has ever had. He should be doing ten life sentences for war crimes.
This is what happens when the far right takes over you local conservative party.
This is what I fight and you and others speak in favour of : Fascism.
Were all fascists gregf, you have intolerant views fascist. Live in the now dude.
This is the man you defend. You can not sink any lower.
You seem low :wink:
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#373 Post by pet shop boy »

Fugitive1979 wrote: Because there are only upland areas left. It won't be easy trying to rebuild Greater London in the Peak District along with Liverpool, Manchester, Bristol, Newcastle.......

Glasgow isn't so bad. It could be rebuilt in the M74 corridor and the areas of Edinburgh that are lost can be rebuilt on the green-belt south of the City Bypass. But which mountain shall they rebuild Dundee, Perth, Aberdeen and Inverness on top of?
The peak district is a beautifull place. I dont care how high the land is, its livable.

And this is """ONLY""" if """ALL""" the ice melts, which no single or collective amount of people know.


gregf
"If they control the press with help from Rupert Murdoch, it is easy to scare 51%
people on a regular basis."

:roll: Murdoch supports the marxists in England.
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#374 Post by Danny C »

alig wrote:You are a communist using GW to make people comply with your hip new socialism.
And you are a dribbling moron without two brain cells to rub together.

Admin, how much more of this offensive baloney do we have to put up with from alig? He doesn't even bother making arguments any more, he just insults people who disagree with him.

Let's flush this turd down the bog and make the PSB forum a better place.

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#375 Post by gregf »

There is just too much nonsense here to respond to.

Pet Shop Boy, go and find out the difference between left and right,
and its extremes, before posting again.

The Cronulla riots happened in my city. I know who organised it. There is still
a tiny group of Nazi descendents in many parts of the Western world. If you
are so ignorant and right wing to deny this, I wont respond further.

I am most against the extreme right who has taken over our conservative party.
I am not going to, and neither should I have to, explain my background more than that.
I am only for logical, progressive, clever government whoever does it.

Alig I consider myself more a free market person than you. A free market means
that new technology like wind, solar and hot-rock can replace coal burning power
stations. Protecting coal is limiting the market to protect old investors. Our government
protects coal and targeted and destroyed new technology, simply to help its sponsors.

Adapting to GW does not mean attacking industry. Our business leaders are asking
for clear goals to be set. They have left the government behind which is too proud
to admit it was wrong.

Adapting to GW means :
1) replacing coal fired power stations.
2) replacing petrol engines, with hybrid, hydrogen, fuel cell or other technology.
3) Modifying cattle's diet (or using GM) to lower methane.
4) Making our homes more energy efficient.
5) Capture and recycle water better.

Most of these things have solutions already. The problem is frightened and confused people.

This is an opportunity for business, not an attack on capitalism. Calling me a commie
shows a lack of understanding of the problem and solution, just for starters.
Does investing here make me a commie ?
The ignorance and Mcarthyist bullying is being boring.

As for banning, I find constant posting by ignorant people more annoying.
Alig may have a far right position, but at least he understands left and right.
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