Definition of 'pornographic'?

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#61 Post by Tom »

Your Funny Uncle wrote:
Tom wrote:What's your definition of 'no female breasts'?
I might be nitpicking here but I for one can very clearly see breasts in Glennys and VeryRelentless' avatars.
No nipples, granted. But I still see part of their breasts. And more of that than I or anyone but Steve could see of the offending penis.
OK no nipples. Basically what's acceptable is what you can see on the front cover of any number of magazines in your average WH Smiths. So yes, No nipples, no vaginas, no penises.
Still doesn't really make any sense, but ok. Accepted.
So I put a blob of colour on his penis and the avatar is acceptable?
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Tom wrote: You say there's no sexism in those. But the girls said several times now they find them disturbing and sexist.
Maybe their opinion should be taken into consideration?
Sorry I didn't make myself clear there. What I meant was it makes no difference if it's a picture of a man or a woman.

On the subject of what is demeaning or offensive, different people are offended by different things. My girlfriend for example doesn't find such images offensive. As I said, the line has been pretty arbitrarily drawn, but I think in a reasonable place between over-protective and free-for-all. Following my previous example, it's basically what society currently finds acceptable on a magazine cover in the UK.
But here some girls do mind and they have complained!
I think their opinion should be respected and the images removed. Sorry, but when people complain you do something about it.
Unless of course what (male) society in the UK finds acceptable is more important than what some girls from various countries may think.


Seems a little odd that I have to accept English standards really. As if they were superior to everyone else :roll:
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#62 Post by StevePSB »

Tom wrote: Still doesn't really make any sense, but ok. Accepted.
So I put a blob of colour on his penis and the avatar is acceptable?
Yes, as I pointed out to you last night.
Tom wrote:
Seems a little odd that I have to accept English standards really. As if they were superior to everyone else :roll:
They're not English standards particularly, but the very loose standards that Rob myself and Dave thought up to keep the forum how it should be.
We're not asking a lot of people in the forum rules we've laid down.

And thank you Rob for your thoughts on the situation. I'm glad we're both saying the same thing (and no, I haven't spoken to Rob about this subject).


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#63 Post by Tom »

StevePSB wrote:
Tom wrote: Still doesn't really make any sense, but ok. Accepted.
So I put a blob of colour on his penis and the avatar is acceptable?
Yes, as I pointed out to you last night.
Ok.
So this is ok then?
Image

And before you start screaming that it is not censored:
Image
As you can see it has been censored.
Green wouldn't look very flattering in that spot.

But I bet that is clearly against some rule as well, right?
StevePSB wrote:
Tom wrote:
Seems a little odd that I have to accept English standards really. As if they were superior to everyone else :roll:
They're not Englush standards particularly, but the very loose standards that Rob myself and Dave thought up to keep the forum how it should be.
We're not asking a lot of people in the forum rules we've laid down.
Ok, sorry my bad. He didn't say English standard. He was talking about UK standard. Sorry.

StevePSB wrote:And thank you Rob for your thoughts on the situation. I'm glad we're both saying the same thing (and no, I haven't spoken to Rob about this subject).
You aren't really saying the same thing but :shhh: I didn't say anything....
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rags wrote:
Your Funny Uncle wrote:Following my previous example, it's basically what society currently finds acceptable on a magazine cover in the UK.
Oh dear. SlutsRus. :(
Speak for yourself, dear! :roll:

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#65 Post by raggatwin »

Pornography is when the subkect becomes object.

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#66 Post by fluffmoln »

According to the US Supreme Court in the end of the eighties, pornograpy is an act that "has no artistic merit and causes sexual thought".

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#67 Post by amhilde »

Look, I just happen to find the male sexual organ to be pretty damn ugly. Pubic hair isnt really that thrilling to look at either. I dont care if there are exposed breasts in peoples avatars cause breasts arent that big a deal, but pubic hair and full on penises ( or parts thereof) is just frankly quite gross. I dont mind what Tom has up now, or for that matter what Glenny4 has up, but I for one was pretty disgusted by that crotch shot from yesterday. It was horribly tacky. And i would say the same thing if Glenny4 decided to show up with a Penthouse scan ( cmon Glenn, i know you got some on that hard drive! :P ).

And Tom- it looks like a glob of Silly Putty was applied as cover-up, was that really the best you could do?
*with club sauce*

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#68 Post by Tom »

amhilde wrote:Look, I just happen to find the male sexual organ to be pretty damn ugly. Pubic hair isnt really that thrilling to look at either. I dont care if there are exposed breasts in peoples avatars cause breasts arent that big a deal, but pubic hair and full on penises ( or parts thereof) is just frankly quite gross. I dont mind what Tom has up now, or for that matter what Glenny4 has up, but I for one was pretty disgusted by that crotch shot from yesterday. It was horribly tacky. And i would say the same thing if Glenny4 decided to show up with a Penthouse scan ( cmon Glenn, i know you got some on that hard drive! :P ).
:lol:
You know what's funny about that?
If that fatal first pm would have been something like 'I deleted it as people have complained about it saying it was offensive or disgusting', I would have even apologised!
But no, the image was declared pornographic. But I'm yet to see a definition of the term that would justify such a classification.

I'm fine with Rob saying it went against an 'offensive' nudity rule. Fair enough.
But pornographic? It just is not and that term is way too strong. I simply resent it.

The difference between my avatar and Glenny's? Mine was deleted because of pornography, whereas Glenny's is still up despite various complaints. :roll:
amhilde wrote:And Tom- it looks like a glob of Silly Putty was applied as cover-up, was that really the best you could do?
Of course not!
But why should I have done anything more?
It was his penis that caused the offense. Pubic hair is not against the rules (not yet anyway, it will probably be added soon enough).

:lol: Now I'm following the rules and I still break them.
If this continues in the direction it is headed now I may start to think it is something personal soon ;)
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