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JSDOUVRES wrote:So Vince Clarkes albums with Martyn Ware don't count? Plus Andy Bells solo album?

You mentioned them yourself but somehow forgot to add them when you came up with your 14-11 fantasy list of albums!

But they're not part of the Erasure catalogue though, are they. So in that respect they don't count. You amusingly referred to Vince and Andy's "numerous solo projects" and yet, as I already pointed out, Bell-End issued one, and Vince hasn't released one at all. Try again...

JSDOUVRES wrote: Do fan club cd's count in your rules or would the unreleased songs and demos Erasure have released be an inconvenience to your fantasy list!

Fan Club-only CDs are one of two areas where V&A have the edge over N&C, the other being the number of concert videos released. Though I would suggest that if you include all the material Neil has uploaded to the OS in the Exclusive Tracks section then they would actually outnumber Erasure on the demos and rarities front.

JSDOUVRES wrote:So maybe PSB have written more songs than Erasure. Please explain what relevance that has on anything (if it is true!) Does it make Erasure lazy if they have not written as much as PSB?

I was not the one who used the word lazy. I think you'll find that was skyhigh and Undertaker.

I merely wanted to correct your unsubstantiated claims that Vince Clarke and Andy Bell-End have been involved in more material than Neil Tennant and Chris Lowe since 1986, the release of both acts' debut albums. I've provided plenty of evidence that proves you were wrong.

JSDOUVRES wrote: Oh I forgot Erashur (Ha Ha Ha very funny ) Have only had 5 number 1 albums which pretty much proves how shit you claim they are.

Once again 5 number from Erasure, 1 for PSB Simple as that! Doesn't mean they are better or worse but certainly says that they can't be that bad, doesn't it?

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise the most No.1 albums meant an act was creatively somewhere approaching the top of the tree. If that's the case how do you explain Westlife having seven chart-topping albums then, or Boyzone just one set behind Baldie & Bell-End on four?

By your logic you're suggesting that Boyzone must be quite good, and are a more talented bunch of musicians than PSB as they've had more No.1 albums.

This is the kind of argument I expect to have with a 12 year-old.

So Vince Clarke and Andy's solo projects dont count according to your rules!! (And I'm the 12 year old!)

Your right 5 number 1 albums doesn't prove they are near the top of the tree, but neither does it mean you are because you have released a soundtrack album or musical (both didn't do too well, but that doesn't matter does it) and certainly not just because you have done a remix or released more records than Erasure!

This topic is about Erasure spoiling PSB's Big day isn't it!
You still have not explained to me how people can mistake a PSB cd for an Erasure one. Please do!

laziness isnt abt who writes more or less. laziness is about erasure releasing any old crap. psb on the other hand are perfectionists

Loins Of London wrote:
BP was a PSB album full of new, specially composed material that took over 18 months to put together

*That* took 18 months?

I'm not getting the whole "lazy" concept for either band. As for Erasure, writing all those albums' worth of songs plus around the same amount of b-sides/EP songs etc would hardly be classified as "lazy" (perhaps Shedloads More or Underwear think so, though). I wouldn't classify either band as remotely lazy.

And this whole "Bell-end and Baldie" thing... it plays into the stereotype of "certain industry people" (you still haven't told me exactly what you do, other than constantly talk about how important/high level/celebrity-interwoven you are). One can easily call the other duo "Ass-end and Almost Baldie" but, now, wouldn't that make me look like a pedantic, uneducated buffoon? Are we really going to resort to comparing the looks of these groups - I don't think you want to go there... unless you're a 14 year old girl.

skyhigh wrote:laziness isnt abt who writes more or less. laziness is about erasure releasing any old crap. psb on the other hand are perfectionists

Agree with that. Erasure released some fantastic stuff pre 1990 to be fair but after that, they declined very badly. I know most bands decline in terms of sales but the quality is still there, i.e PSB. I thought the Union album and Other songs were so bad and it seemed they were that desperate to get back in the big time, they tried too hard. Their last album wasn't good either and maybe they have totally run out of idea's now. A video sat on a toilet ffs. We shall see with what comes next but whats more surprising is that Vince allowed this shambles. Bell you can understand but not Vince Clarke.

skyhigh wrote:psb on the other hand are perfectionists

Shedloads More, how does that explain Fundamental? And various non-album tracks? <Disco 2 playing in background>

Also, to christen your new name, you've still to inform me how much "shedloads more" copies will be due to this Brit. Perhaps you should go back to other bands and do some non-lazy research to find out how much bigger a sales force they are due to this award.

Undertaker wrote:A video sat on a toilet ffs.

Oh.
My.
God.



I really honestly thought you were joking when you posted that Pulse had his Erasure video rejected in favour of Andy sitting on the bog!! WTF?!

Erasure, particularly Bell-End, have never exactly been what you'd call, erm, can I put it delicately - a classy, sophisticated act, but... jeez, I really am lost for words!

pulse wrote:Apart from Abba-Esque, which not that many people remember, I'd say TOP 20 US Billboard hit "Always" for starters. Let me point out said song is the greatest pop song ever written by an astronomical margin

No, Erasure's Always is your favourite song of all-time. There's a huge difference deeper and wider than Andy Bell's buttery backside.

Oh, and ABBA-Esque was a No.1 in the UK, and somehow sounding all the more appropriate, in Germany it was a No.2.

But "not that many people remember" it, eh? Just what warped black hole are Erasure apologists on?

Undertaker wrote:

skyhigh wrote:laziness isnt abt who writes more or less. laziness is about erasure releasing any old crap. psb on the other hand are perfectionists

Agree with that. Erasure released some fantastic stuff pre 1990 to be fair but after that, they declined very badly. I know most bands decline in terms of sales but the quality is still there, i.e PSB. I thought the Union album and Other songs were so bad and it seemed they were that desperate to get back in the big time, they tried too hard. Their last album wasn't good either and maybe they have totally run out of idea's now. A video sat on a toilet ffs. We shall see with what comes next but whats more surprising is that Vince allowed this shambles. Bell you can understand but not Vince Clarke.

That's funny, because I feel PSB material has declined massively since the 80's. Erasure's 90's output was fantastic - my favourite album of all time is Chorus (1991), my favourite pop song of all time is "Always" (1994), the self-titled was a masterpiece (1995), Cowboy was a spectacular, simple pop (1997), Loveboat was an experimental album with great songs on it that one must invest in to discover (2000). OPS and the latest album, not really my bag at all (although both had some redeeming qualities. Nightbird was a return to form, and this next one apparently will be "stripped down and harder" (which is what I've always wanted), perhaps becoming re-invigorated by all of this year's Yazoo projects.

As for PSB, in my opinion, Fundamental is their worst album. Nightlife, another stinker (New York city boy... dear Lord). I can't remember Release right now too much, but even both those albums had some redeeming qualities to them. Bilingual (which I really liked) was the band's locus - a turning point for the inferior era to come. Once I heard "Miracles" and "Flamboyant" though, I realised that the flame was definitely not out. This forthcoming album holds great hope (actually, for both groups).

skyhigh wrote:laziness isnt abt who writes more or less. laziness is about erasure releasing any old crap. psb on the other hand are perfectionists

You used the word crap! How rude of you!

Let's not forget you don't like Erasure so while you may find it "crap" there are pleanty of people who do like it. I really liked the last couple of Erasure albums but then again I am not a perfectionist! I didn't realise the Pet Shop Boys were "perfect" although Ive always known they are "Immaculate"

So all music you don't like is crap, sorry rubbish is it? Hilarious!

Loins Of London wrote:
No, Erasure's Always is your favourite song of all-time. There's a huge difference deeper and wider than Andy Bell's buttery backside.

Oh, and ABBA-Esque was a No.1 in the UK, and somehow sounding all the more appropriate, in Germany it was a No.2.

But "not that many people remember" it, eh? Just what warped black hole are Erasure apologists on?

You've made it obvious in spades that your mouth is more vulgar than *anyone's* buttery backside.

"Erasure apologists"? The moon bat takes wing once again.

I believe more people remember "Oh L'amour", "Sometimes", "A Little Respect", "Chains Of Love", and "Always" more than Abba-Esque.

Oh yes, and you once again haven't informed me on what this glamourous working life of yours is.

pulse wrote:I feel PSB material has declined massively since the 80's. Erasure's 90's output was fantastic - my favourite album of all time is Chorus (1991), my favourite pop song of all time is "Always" (1994), the self-titled was a masterpiece (1995), Cowboy was a spectacular, simple pop (1997), Loveboat was an experimental album with great songs on it that one must invest in to discover (2000).

Dear God, just how much are Mute paying you to spew your Buttery Political Broadcast all over a superior duo's forum?

Have you never heard of Very or Behaviour or have you not seen daylight in the last 18 years?

pulse wrote:Disco 2 playing in background

In response to EMI pressure for more product on the back of the upturn in PSB's commercial fortunes with Very (coinciding with the only time they've released a fifth single from an album) D2 was just a collection of remixes megamixed by an outside DJ. Still, it did reach No.6 - one of the highest charting single-artist mix albums ever.

pulse wrote: I believe more people remember "Oh L'amour", "Sometimes", "A Little Respect", "Chains Of Love", and "Always" more than Abba-Esque.

You aren't from the UK or Germany, both band's biggest markets. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

JSDOUVRES wrote: Union street was an attempt at an acoustic or country and western style of album tracks and b-sides. I wouldn't call it a studio album, never. Just because it was made in a studio! Sorry but they are old songs! Union Street is a compilation of old songs done in an acoustic or country and western style! Unless you are a PSB fan who wants to have a go at the chart placing that is!

How can it be a compilation when it was an album full of newly arranged and newly recorded songs specifically for the album in question?

To put it in perspective, a compilation of songs little-known by the general public would be something like PSB's Alternative, which, despite being a double album of flipsides not even promoted by a single recording that actually featured on said album, managed to go straight into the charts at No.2, only being deprived of topping the charts by Black Grape's massive debut album. Not even Oasis could top the boys with The Masterplan. Alternative remains the highest charted standalone collection of B-sides of all time.

skyhigh wrote: psb on the other hand are perfectionists

They're also, most of the time, immaculate arbiters of good taste. After all, they're quite justified in finding Andy Buttery Bell-End loathsome and tacky.

Mind you, I wouldn't say poor old Dairy Derriere is ALL bad, he must have some residual taste emanating from somewhere deep inside, after all, how would you explain why a couple of years ago Anchor Arse feted PSB as an act "that people can aspire to."

pulse wrote:

Loins Of London wrote:
No, Erasure's Always is your favourite song of all-time. There's a huge difference deeper and wider than Andy Bell's buttery backside.

Oh, and ABBA-Esque was a No.1 in the UK, and somehow sounding all the more appropriate, in Germany it was a No.2.

But "not that many people remember" it, eh? Just what warped black hole are Erasure apologists on?

You've made it obvious in spades that your mouth is more vulgar than *anyone's* buttery backside.

Yes, but disease-ridden it's sadly not. Do give my love to Lurpak Loins.

Union street is like a remix album then? A remix with a guitar! Hardly a studio album! Obviously you'd like to think so because it charted so badly!

Both groups are great as far as I am concerned and at the end of the day why compare the two? Like Oasis and Blur just a question of choice. Sorry to insult some people if they believe the PSB are pefect or something. It is a question of if you like the music at the end of the day. Both achieved a lot and I hope they continue for a long time to come. Oh and I would say that A little Respect is quite a well known song throughout the world loins. That song plus Chains of love did well in the USA I beleive.

pulse wrote:

skyhigh wrote:psb on the other hand are perfectionists

Shedloads More, how does that explain Fundamental? And various non-album tracks? <Disco 2 playing in background>

Also, to christen your new name, you've still to inform me how much "shedloads more" copies will be due to this Brit. Perhaps you should go back to other bands and do some non-lazy research to find out how much bigger a sales force they are due to this award.

Dont know what you're on about regards fundamental. There are moments on that album that rival psb at their very best, casanova in hell, numb and luna park to name but three. Continuing with the 'shedloads more' thing? Yawn, you must be getting desperate if you need to harp back to that. We'll see though. I'm very positive about the brit awards being a great thing as far as psb are concerned and a non event for erasures attempt to capitalise from it.

So you Really believe Erasure are trying to capitalise from this? Really? It just does not make sense.