Track-by-Track: From Please to Nonetheless

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#1561 Post by telys »

I never understood why Neil refers to this son as "rock". There is nothing rock about, maybe the chord change or something but it's far away from rock. I kind of think that Neil has misunderstood what rock is.

And the dancing... they have obviously stopped at some disco or outdoor dancing place in the countryside to pick up some farmer girls :)
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petshopgrrl wrote: Thu 19 Feb 2026, 4:17 am

1) I've never noticed anything homoerotic about Truck Driver.
How about the title?? 😉

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telys wrote: Thu 19 Feb 2026, 9:05 pm I never understood why Neil refers to this son as "rock". There is nothing rock about, maybe the chord change or something but it's far away from rock.
Irony - like Chris saying they invented acid house.
And the dancing... they have obviously stopped at some disco or outdoor dancing place in the countryside to pick up some farmer girls :)
Yes, those famous roadside dancing places in the countryside, where farmer girls dance with truck-driving mates. :)

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#1564 Post by telys »

NotInvisible wrote: Fri 20 Feb 2026, 3:01 am
telys wrote: Thu 19 Feb 2026, 9:05 pm
And the dancing... they have obviously stopped at some disco or outdoor dancing place in the countryside to pick up some farmer girls :)
Yes, those famous roadside dancing places in the countryside, where farmer girls dance with truck-driving mates. :)
So you've heard about them as well. I read somewhere that they were ubiquitous in the 80's.
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Bucky Goldstein wrote: Thu 19 Feb 2026, 7:57 am
petshopgrrl wrote: Thu 19 Feb 2026, 4:17 am I've never noticed anything homoerotic about Truck Driver. To me, it's always just been two chaps larking around
I suppose it depends on your definition of “larking”. Drico nailed it: definitely one from PSBs Tom of Finland range…
Wayne Studer has some good notes on why this song is particularly homo-erotic.

I think what Neil does here conflates two ideas - a truck driver and his mate on its own doesn't necessarily assume homosexuality between them, but there is mileage (pun intended) in the fact that layby's and truck stops (or motorway services as we know them in the UK) are well known for cruising and prostitution. Layby's in particular were (and maybe still are) hotspots for this - I recall when I worked in the UK back around this time, there was one particular local farmer/landowner who made the papers because he wanted the shenanigans on his land beside a particular layby to stop so asked the local council to close the layby completely. I don't think that it was particularly limited to truck drivers stopping there though.

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#1566 Post by markus »

Track 101: Hit and Miss
Chronology: Bilingual, Further Listening, Track 4

Was it Oil Imperium or Ports of Call? It sounds like music from early-90s Amiga computer games. Those games had great soundtracks. I recognised the inspiration immediately when I first heard Hit and Miss
They’d probably deny any connection — but then again, they also denied that “Miracles” was inspired by Madonna’s “Frozen.”

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#1567 Post by NOBODY75 »

Even today, in 2026, I'm still just as angry and amazed that "Hit and Miss" wasn't on Bilingual because, for me, it's a better song than practically the entire album. One of their best melodies for a verse. A wonderful song stupidly relegated to a B-side. I don't know if anyone knows why, and I could explain, when it had much more potential as a single than the A-side.

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Why does Chris hate it?

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#1569 Post by NOBODY75 »

I wanted to write that if anyone knew a reason that could explain it... Does Chris hate the song?

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markus wrote: Fri 20 Feb 2026, 8:13 pm Track 101: Hit and Miss
Chronology: Bilingual, Further Listening, Track 4

Was it Oil Imperium or Ports of Call? It sounds like music from early-90s Amiga computer games. Those games had great soundtracks. I recognised the inspiration immediately when I first heard Hit and Miss
They’d probably deny any connection — but then again, they also denied that “Miracles” was inspired by Madonna’s “Frozen.”
They'd probably deny any connection because there isn't one, for the rather obvious reason that neither of them were playing these types of games at the time.

Hit and Miss is a brilliant track, signposting the way forward in a few years' time. Gorgeous chords, and one of Neil's most heartfelt lyrics. Both of the Before b-sides should have been on Bilingual.

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#1571 Post by babi7808 »

In the early 90s, Chris played a lot of computer games, it's in the Very FL booklet. That inspired those sound samples at the beginning of Young Offender.

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#1572 Post by telys »

Hit and Miss is the Release track that Release lacks
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NOBODY75 wrote:I wanted to write that if anyone knew a reason that could explain it... Does Chris hate the song?
No, there’s no proof he hates it. After all, it was a b-side. In Literally, Neil says: “Hit And Miss was never for the album. Chris never liked the song so it was condemned to the b-side.”
Woof.

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#1574 Post by NOBODY75 »

Dog wrote: Fri 20 Feb 2026, 10:30 pm
NOBODY75 wrote:I wanted to write that if anyone knew a reason that could explain it... Does Chris hate the song?
No, there’s no proof he hates it. After all, it was a b-side. In Literally, Neil says: “Hit And Miss was never for the album. Chris never liked the song so it was condemned to the b-side.”
Well, if Chris never liked the song, we can understand that he's largely to blame for its exclusion. In my humble opinion, this was his biggest blunder until many years later when they left out "An Open Mind" and "Decide" to include... Well, we already know that

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#1575 Post by NOBODY75 »

telys wrote: Fri 20 Feb 2026, 10:24 pm Hit and Miss is the Release track that Release lacks
I completely agree. Although they wouldn't have included it either, just like they didn't include "I Didn't Get Between Two Islands".... Anyway

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