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MUSIC0LOOG wrote:...
... I've never said or pretended my uploads are official versions. It's more or less people at forums like these that like to pretend or think my edits/versions are.

Hi MUSIC0LOOG! Let me say first that your work with edits an mixes is great.
But about what you said on that previous lines, let me disagree. As an example, you said previously on this thread when posting the "Hold On" link:

"a version without the additional male vocals, previously unreleased."

..of course you can argue that this mix (as happens with every unofficial or fan mix ever made until the day it appears online for the first time ) was "previously unreleased", but that consideration is a clear reference about an "official" stuff surfacing for the first time, not about an unofficial version. It´s a common sense deduction, every word in that description is written as if referring to an officially unreleased version. Doing versions that really sound official, naming them as if they were that, and not clarifying they´re not is a guileful procedure...with a confusing (un?)intentional consequence. For sure you know that and you're playing this game for some reason .
I also saw some comments on your videos (I always follow your channel!) asking if the mixes on your channel are official or not..and your response was also vague ("some things are and some things not", with no specifications...). As you can see this kind of 'not clear' information is something that real fans and collectors don´t enjoy very much... :/
Mostly because if happens that a mix in your channel is a real official mix that you had exclusive access somehow and you're so kind to share it with the world ("some things are, some things not"...) it will be a shame if it gets disqualified as being another of your own unofficial works. Even if they´re great there is a big clear line between both things. And I´m not talking just about the PSB stuff...
I think you will understand what I´m saying!

Oznerol wrote:

MUSIC0LOOG wrote:...
... I've never said or pretended my uploads are official versions. It's more or less people at forums like these that like to pretend or think my edits/versions are.

Hi MUSIC0LOOG! Let me say first that your work with edits an mixes is great.
But about what you said on that previous lines, let me disagree. As an example, you said previously on this thread when posting the "Hold On" link:

"a version without the additional male vocals, previously unreleased."

..of course you can argue that this mix (as happens with every unofficial or fan mix ever made until the day it appears online for the first time ) was "previously unreleased", but that consideration is a clear reference about an "official" stuff surfacing for the first time, not about an unofficial version. It´s a common sense deduction, every word in that description is written as if referring to an officially unreleased version. Doing versions that really sound official, naming them as if they were that, and not clarifying they´re not is a guileful procedure...with a confusing (un?)intentional consequence. For sure you know that and you're playing this game for some reason .
I also saw some comments on your videos (I always follow your channel!) asking if the mixes on your channel are official or not..and your response was also vague ("some things are and some things not", with no specifications...). As you can see this kind of 'not clear' information is something that real fans and collectors don´t enjoy very much... :/
Mostly because if happens that a mix in your channel is a real official mix that you had exclusive access somehow and you're so kind to share it with the world ("some things are, some things not"...) it will be a shame if it gets disqualified as being another of your own unofficial works. Even if they´re great there is a big clear line between both things. And I´m not talking just about the PSB stuff...
I think you will understand what I´m saying!

Luckily I live in a country, Oznerol, where people can have their own opinion and can freely discuss... so I can handle the disagreements, and of course thanks for your kind words as well

I even understand the points of view. But... (oh oh, there's a 'but'...) real fans and collectors over here surely know the difference between official and unofficial versions (I hope). Then there are the greedy, lazy, 'unaware' so-called fans/collectors, well, I really don't want to make it easy or easier for them. I give my own versions the titles/names (and artwork) I think are suitable and easy to find in my own library. But I must admit these last few posts made me realize I shouldn't share my edits anymore, it's too confusing for some people out there. As a pacifist I don't want anyone got (mentally) hurt. A shame though, as lots of my edits I made on demand and because I'm a huge fan/collector like you all here as well. Many of my edits have been played on various national and local radio-stations, which pay royalties to the artists/labels/owners. Therefor I consider some of my edits semi-official. In fact my Memory Of The Future (Digital Dog Radio Mix) got heavy rotation. Yeah!!

I sometimes use the addition 'previously unreleased' as I've never posted that specific edit/mix before somewhere else. I've got quite some followers on various sites, so I don't see the point I couldn't use it, simply because it has been used on official music items?? It is a common term without any patent and to be honest I think it's a bizarre term anyway, as soon as something has been released it isn't 'previously unreleased' anymore, right?

Please, let's put things in perspective... no-one has been harmed by thinking they got his/her hands on an unique, official, hidden treasure and it turns out to be another one uploaded by Musicoloog...

To cut a long story short: Don't worry my fellow PSB-fans, there will be no more future uploads, at least not PSB-related...
(Sorry, bootleg-people... My last three completely unofficial, 100% home-made, as fake as fake can be mixes (I Want A Dog) I've uploaded to YouTube... so, hurry hurry hurry...)

There I said it, my final thoughts on the subject and guess what...still no hard feelings!
I'm probably way to sober-minded to post on forums, there are other things in life, the world, to worry about

What a tearful disclaimer. What's your problem, man? Ever heard of criticism? Unable to admit the facts without some cheap drama?

MUSIC0LOOG wrote: Luckily I live in a country, Oznerol, where people can have their own opinion and can freely discuss... so I can handle the disagreements, and of course thanks for your kind words as well

I even understand the points of view. But... (oh oh, there's a 'but'...) real fans and collectors over here surely know the difference between official and unofficial versions (I hope). Then there are the greedy, lazy, 'unaware' so-called fans/collectors, well, I really don't want to make it easy or easier for them. I give my own versions the titles/names (and artwork) I think are suitable and easy to find in my own library. But I must admit these last few posts made me realize I shouldn't share my edits anymore, it's too confusing for some people out there. As a pacifist I don't want anyone got (mentally) hurt. A shame though, as lots of my edits I made on demand and because I'm a huge fan/collector like you all here as well. Many of my edits have been played on various national and local radio-stations, which pay royalties to the artists/labels/owners. Therefor I consider some of my edits semi-official. In fact my Memory Of The Future (Digital Dog Radio Mix) got heavy rotation. Yeah!!

I sometimes use the addition 'previously unreleased' as I've never posted that specific edit/mix before somewhere else. I've got quite some followers on various sites, so I don't see the point I couldn't use it, simply because it has been used on official music items?? It is a common term without any patent and to be honest I think it's a bizarre term anyway, as soon as something has been released it isn't 'previously unreleased' anymore, right?

Please, let's put things in perspective... no-one has been harmed by thinking they got his/her hands on an unique, official, hidden treasure and it turns out to be another one uploaded by Musicoloog...

To cut a long story short: Don't worry my fellow PSB-fans, there will be no more future uploads, at least not PSB-related...
(Sorry, bootleg-people... My last three completely unofficial, 100% home-made, as fake as fake can be mixes (I Want A Dog) I've uploaded to YouTube... so, hurry hurry hurry...)

There I said it, my final thoughts on the subject and guess what...still no hard feelings!
I'm probably way to sober-minded to post on forums, there are other things in life, the world, to worry about

I also think that stop sharing your edits is a little over the top as a solution to avoid the confusion about what is official and what not..
A simple clarification about the situation of every mix on the notes of the youtube videos (no more than 10 words) is a simple, clear and harmful solution...and everybody(?) happy!! (I wish all problems in the world had a solution so simple as that! Why make it harder?)

I don't know if this has already been shared here, but it's the "non-existent" 9 and a half minute version of This Must Be The Place, played to scenes from Russia in 1945 and it's utterly wonderful. You know, for a song that never happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKW6BcTcRJ8

Majestic rendition of "It's a sin"/"Suburbia" on church bells:

That's me in the video! Thank you for sharing it.

Here's me playing a bit of Go West on the same bells -

Drem wrote:Majestic rendition of "It's a sin"/"Suburbia" on church bells:

I like the carillon renditions - They look like high-tech church bells!

How come you've had the opportunity to play your favourite music on the bells? Was it a special occasion?

I wonder if our local carillonneur takes requests....
I quite like hearing the bells being played when i'm in town but a bit of PSB would be a treat

Drem wrote:Majestic rendition of "It's a sin"/"Suburbia" on church bells:

That's Awesome Mr. Madness !!

No Muscle Mary wrote:I don't know if this has already been shared here, but it's the "non-existent" 9 and a half minute version of This Must Be The Place, played to scenes from Russia in 1945 and it's utterly wonderful. You know, for a song that never happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKW6BcTcRJ8

I've never seen this before, so many thanks. Fascinating visuals too. I love this "non-existent" version that never happened. The song is one of my favourites & it always makes me feel nostalgic, but about what, I'm not sure

Andie wrote:

No Muscle Mary wrote:I don't know if this has already been shared here, but it's the "non-existent" 9 and a half minute version of This Must Be The Place, played to scenes from Russia in 1945 and it's utterly wonderful. You know, for a song that never happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKW6BcTcRJ8

I've never seen this before, so many thanks. Fascinating visuals too. I love this "non-existent" version that never happened. The song is one of my favourites & it always makes me feel nostalgic, but about what, I'm not sure

What's the story behind the "non-existent" version? I thought it was released with the Behaviour japanese version as a bonus disc?

And agreed...the extended mixes are fantastic especially for a song in my top 5 PSB tracks of all time.

bongsteve wrote:

Andie wrote:

No Muscle Mary wrote:I don't know if this has already been shared here, but it's the "non-existent" 9 and a half minute version of This Must Be The Place, played to scenes from Russia in 1945 and it's utterly wonderful. You know, for a song that never happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKW6BcTcRJ8

I've never seen this before, so many thanks. Fascinating visuals too. I love this "non-existent" version that never happened. The song is one of my favourites & it always makes me feel nostalgic, but about what, I'm not sure

What's the story behind the "non-existent" version? I thought it was released with the Behaviour japanese version as a bonus disc?

And agreed...the extended mixes are fantastic especially for a song in my top 5 PSB tracks of all time.

For a long time Neil denied that the 9 minute version even existed!! Then when it was proved to him he said "well I can't remember everything we've done"
That's my version, maybe No Muscle Mary can provide a link to when he said it. I can't find it!!

Not sure if this has been posted before Pet Shop Boys "Violence", Haçienda concert Projection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDV7EjTRLsk

Two of my own dub remixes of PSB tracks. Both made around 2009 and remixed by me a few days ago:

1) "Numb Ether Vocal Dub" (house)

https://youtu.be/0qhbsqc900c

2) "Discoteca Dirge Dub - House vs Trance"

https://youtu.be/SVKn1SB6GGk

Now before anyone thinks: "What's that egotistical t*** Zog doing posting his crap here?"
Given them a listen first, and then say: "What's that egotistical t*** Zog doing posting his crap here?"

My "Numb" mix has a fair amount of Neil's vocals in it. But the my track has completely new harmonies.

My "Discoteca" dub mix has just one Neil sample, but the string pads that run throughout the mix are unmistakable PSB. The beat is quite house-influenced, but I deliberately went full out on the synths, to make it way more trancy. Usually I prefer House, but occassionally it's fun to "pull out all the trance stops"

Give them a listen. Feedback appreciated. FYI, my newer stuff is far, far less melodic.

-Zog

Andie wrote:

bongsteve wrote:

Andie wrote:
I've never seen this before, so many thanks. Fascinating visuals too. I love this "non-existent" version that never happened. The song is one of my favourites & it always makes me feel nostalgic, but about what, I'm not sure

What's the story behind the "non-existent" version? I thought it was released with the Behaviour japanese version as a bonus disc?

And agreed...the extended mixes are fantastic especially for a song in my top 5 PSB tracks of all time.

For a long time Neil denied that the 9 minute version even existed!! Then when it was proved to him he said "well I can't remember everything we've done"
That's my version, maybe No Muscle Mary can provide a link to when he said it. I can't find it!!

Yep, that sums it up Andie. For years, Neil was taking the piss out of the fans about it, it was a running joke between the two of them. Then finally, it turned out that fans were right and it did exist. Neil isn't wrong very often so it was legendary