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"Just plain greedy", "Don't know what they want", "Can't be monogamous", "Nymphomanics", "Really straight but experimenting", "Really gay but afraid to come all the way out of the closet" - all the typical misconceptions.

Biphobia is just as ugly as homophobia/heterophobia.

Deschanel wrote: I know male bisexuals exist- i wonder about myself sometimes- but actual self-declared ones seem pretty rare. I've never met one, actually.

I've personally met several men who consider themselves bisexual but are reluctant to say so because of rampant prejudicial attitudes. Some of them are in marriages to women and some are in partnerships with other men.

Women can be pretty catty too, especially in reverse situations - when someone happens to fall in love with (or God-forbid marry) a member of the opposite sex. The terms "hasbian" and "lesbian until graduation" come to mind.

The stereotypes of gender roles (in most parts of the World) means it will always be totally acceptable for women to declare their bisexuality, real or imagined, and for men to keep quiet about theirs'. You certainly don't find anywhere near as many guys flirting with sexual ambiguity...which is why people like Bowie in the 70s and Brett Anderson in the 90s raised many eyebrows and were, to be honest, an absolute God Send for all the 'confused' boys who could never find a credible public figure to assimilate with.

Some outwardly straight guys may admit a certain level of bisexuality to girls they are very close with, but never, ever to their mates.

kimphilby wrote:The stereotypes of gender roles (in most parts of the World) means it will always be totally acceptable for women to declare their bisexuality, real or imagined, and for men to keep quiet about theirs'. You certainly don't find anywhere near as many guys flirting with sexual ambiguity...which is why people like Bowie in the 70s and Brett Anderson in the 90s raised many eyebrows and were, to be honest, an absolute God Send for all the 'confused' boys who could never find a credible public figure to assimilate with.

Some outwardly straight guys may admit a certain level of bisexuality to girls they are very close with, but never, ever to their mates.

But both Bowie and Anderson are actually straight. They were only bisexual when they needed to sell a few records.

Patrick Bateman wrote:

kimphilby wrote:The stereotypes of gender roles (in most parts of the World) means it will always be totally acceptable for women to declare their bisexuality, real or imagined, and for men to keep quiet about theirs'. You certainly don't find anywhere near as many guys flirting with sexual ambiguity...which is why people like Bowie in the 70s and Brett Anderson in the 90s raised many eyebrows and were, to be honest, an absolute God Send for all the 'confused' boys who could never find a credible public figure to assimilate with.

Some outwardly straight guys may admit a certain level of bisexuality to girls they are very close with, but never, ever to their mates.

But both Bowie and Anderson are actually straight. They were only bisexual when they needed to sell a few records.

But at least it was something to go on. Admired and respected men in the public eye shamelessly flirting with a side of their sexuality (later to be proven accurate or not) very few of their contemporaries did. Straight guys with brain cells enjoyed the fact that their idols were this way, it was something a bit interesting and subversive.

Patrick Bateman wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 92135.html

Do hot 'bisexual' women like Lady GaGa and Megan Fox, just say they are bisexual in order to fuel male fantasies? In most cases it seems to be a calculated stance, and in 'real life' they are as straight as a die.

Lady GaGa is a minger though. Love her music, but could she be the ugliest major young female pop star around?

Not sure whether it's bi-phobia, but if there is prejudice against it, it's out of ignorence. I think a lot of peole suspect bisexuals are secretly gay but just don't want to admit it. There's a line of thought that labelling yourself 'bisexual' might make you retain more of your own masculinity (or femininity if you're a woman, obviously) than labelling yourself 'gay'. It might also make you sound mysterious/interesting.

I think labels are lazy, frankly. I also think sexuality is more complicated than merely straight/bi/gay.

BlueSwan wrote:Lady GaGa is a minger though. Love her music, but could she be the ugliest major young female pop star around?

Lady GaGa is gorgeous. Solange Knowles is the ugly duckling just now.

BlueSwan wrote:Lady GaGa is a minger though. Love her music, but could she be the ugliest major young female pop star around?

Oh, she's not too bad for a transsexual.

Drico.

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Sorry to go all serious here and this is gonna sound really pretentious, but stick with it..

We all need labels and language to understand ourselves, each other and the world around us. Labels help us describe and communicate a variety of things. But labels are paradoxical i think, because as well as allowing us to name things and each other, they simultaneously allow us to limit our understandings of individual preferences.

Everyone's an individual and it seems absurd in a way that with all the millions of people in the world we have 3 defined categories in realtion to sexuality; gay, straight and bisexual!?!? I think everyone has their own individual sexual preferences which are determined by personality, genetics, childhood, upbringing etc - a variety of factors determine how we feel about people sexually.

I think sexuality is a bit like ice cream, there's lots of different flavours out there..

I'm really against people being cynical towards other people's definitions of who they are. If someone says that they are bisexual then i think this should be accepted and respected. I'm completely against bisexuality being sneered at, even if someone is confused, or is even in denial about being gay or straight, i think it's cruel, particularly if someone is struggling with something!?! to poke fun at them, sneer and completely disregard their sense of self.

We'll only be accepting of other people when we are truly accepting of ourselves and I feel that a lot of this anti-bisexuality feeling is really to with the people doing the sneering. Maybe bisexuality reminds the sneerers of what it felt like when they were unsure of who they were..

RichBeard wrote:Sorry to go all serious here and this is gonna sound really pretentious, but stick with it..

We all need labels and language to understand ourselves, each other and the world around us. Labels help us describe and communicate a variety of things. But labels are paradoxical i think, because as well as allowing us to name things and each other, they simultaneously allow us to limit our understandings of individual preferences.

Everyone's an individual and it seems absurd in a way that with all the millions of people in the world we have 3 defined categories in realtion to sexuality; gay, straight and bisexual!?!? I think everyone has their own individual sexual preferences which are determined by personality, genetics, childhood, upbringing etc - a variety of factors determine how we feel about people sexually.

I think sexuality is a bit like ice cream, there's lots of different flavours out there..

I'm really against people being cynical towards other people's definitions of who they are. If someone says that they are bisexual then i think this should be accepted and respected. I'm completely against bisexuality being sneered at, even if someone is confused, or is even in denial about being gay or straight, i think it's cruel, particularly if someone is struggling with something!?! to poke fun at them, sneer and completely disregard their sense of self.

We'll only be accepting of other people when we are truly accepting of ourselves and I feel that a lot of this anti-bisexuality feeling is really to with the people doing the sneering. Maybe bisexuality reminds the sneerers of what it felt like when they were unsure of who they were..

I'd buy bisexuality if there were more attractive lesbians. Portia de Rossi's probably the fittest lesbian I've seen outside of a porno because Li-Lo strikes me as a sapphic tourist.

I'll believe that Megan Fox is bisexual when I see her going out with the likes of Pat Butcher.

Haha, yeah Pat Butcher would be the ultimate test!! I like it..

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