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Go get some food before you pass out.Okay then...redsock wrote:Nope, you've still not quite grasped my point, but not to worry.
this whole age of the earth thing is usually based on the notion that the phrase " a day to the lord is like a thousand years".redsock wrote:The picture is real as YFU pointed out.markus wrote:
Is that because you think all people who believe in the bible think there were dinosaurs onboard, and alive on this planet after the flood, that supposedly happened around 4400 years ago? Is that pic for real or is it a joke?
I find it fascinating and yet so horrifically scary, that there are people out there who present their belief in fictional stories and falsehoods as scientific fact, and attempt to convince others. Morally it's quite despicable, but then that opens another "can of worms" and I really can't be bothered in going through all that again.
Personally, I don't care what people believe or don't believe in, just as long as they keep it to themselves and don't attempt to pass on unsubstantiated and ludicrous theories as the truth to others, especially children and people of a vulnerable disposition.
This doesn't mean that every one of those ideas is of equal merit. The idea that the Earth is 6,000 years old could only be held by someone who was severely mentally ill.markus wrote:everyone has their own ideas and visions about how the world should be
While I have a little sympathy with your position about parents raising their children a certain way, the fact remains that atheism - non-belief in God - is the default position. All babies are atheist because nobody is born believing in God. Atheism does not require anyone to be inched a certain way, not like religious belief does.glennjridge wrote:as far as your other comment, we dont like the idea of an atheists raising their children saying there is no God when we happen to believe that all this came from design and they choose to think it didnt. so we are at an impasse. so basically people are going to raise their kids how they want. and dont think for a second we dont think atheists essencially do the same thing. as if people such as yourself say how horrific you think it is belief in God is taught to kids then then when you have kids you are a zen monk and dont inch them a certain way. human behaviour isnt hard to figure out.
Sumerians Look On In Confusion As God Creates World
December 15, 2009 | Issue 45•51
Members of the earth's earliest known civilization, the Sumerians, looked on in shock and confusion some 6,000 years ago as God, the Lord Almighty, created Heaven and Earth.
According to recently excavated clay tablets inscribed with cuneiform script, thousands of Sumerians—the first humans to establish systems of writing, agriculture, and government—were working on their sophisticated irrigation systems when the Father of All Creation reached down from the ether and blew the divine spirit of life into their thriving civilization.
"I do not understand," reads an ancient line of pictographs depicting the sun, the moon, water, and a Sumerian who appears to be scratching his head. "A booming voice is saying, 'Let there be light,' but there is already light. It is saying, 'Let the earth bring forth grass,' but I am already standing on grass."
"Everything is here already," the pictograph continues. "We do not need more stars."
Historians believe that, immediately following the biblical event, Sumerian witnesses returned to the city of Eridu, a bustling metropolis built 1,500 years before God called for the appearance of dry land, to discuss the new development. According to records, Sumerian farmers, priests, and civic administrators were not only befuddled, but also took issue with the face of God moving across the water, saying that He scared away those who were traveling to Mesopotamia to participate in their vast and intricate trade system.
Moreover, the Sumerians were taken aback by the creation of the same animals and herb-yielding seeds that they had been domesticating and cultivating for hundreds of generations.
"The Sumerian people must have found God's making of heaven and earth in the middle of their well-established society to be more of an annoyance than anything else," said Paul Helund, ancient history professor at Cornell University. "If what the pictographs indicate are true, His loud voice interrupted their ancient prayer rituals for an entire week."
According to the cuneiform tablets, Sumerians found God's most puzzling act to be the creation from dust of the first two human beings.
"These two people made in his image do not know how to communicate, lack skills in both mathematics and farming, and have the intellectual capacity of an infant," one Sumerian philosopher wrote. "They must be the creation of a complete idiot."
The "mentally ill" have been worshipped as gods, or as people who have divine knowledge in certain cultures. A more Fox Mulder mentality to this world helps to not see everything so in black and white. You've seen people get hypnotized on tv right? After a similiar experience in a church, and people reading from the bible "for god everything is possible" I don't blame them for believeing all kinds of things. People in our culture who aren't considered mentally ill visit, and work as healers, tarot card readers, people claim having seen ghosts etc. This all has always been a reality to the majority of people in all cultures for as long as history books are written, and is just growing in our day. It's not just a bunch of crazy hicks, or people in underdeveloped countries getting involved, these people are in all categories of society. I can understand it scares people who want to keep their heads in the right place, wouldn't go near it myself, but there's a lot of smoke for there not to be any fire.Danny C wrote:This doesn't mean that every one of those ideas is of equal merit. The idea that the Earth is 6,000 years old could only be held by someone who was severely mentally ill.markus wrote:everyone has their own ideas and visions about how the world should be
Glenn what? You're just not reading what I am writing. Nobody is born believing in Allah or Jehovah any more than anyone is born speaking English or French or Spanish. Atheism is the default position, because without being told about Allah or Jehovah or Thor, and raised to believe in those deities, nobody would believe in them. If you have a kid, and keep him in a cell 24 hours a day without any contact from other people, he won't grow up to be a Christian.glennjridge wrote:not at all regarding atheism being default.not when you see thru history from the earliest cultures had a belief in a God, Gods, or a higher power and even to modern day.
Yes, and nobody is born believing in any god or gods, hence everyone is born atheist. I don't see how this is a hard concept.glennjridge wrote:that in your weird cell analogy the religion doesnt have a face is meaningless as atheism still isnt the default .....as atheism isnt defined as non belief in christianity. its defined as non belief in Gods.
Evidence? Obviously some people would be given to believe in that of their own free will, but all of them?glennjridge wrote:but no matter free, or in a cell, man is given to believe in a God, Gods or a higher power as is shown in history.
?glennjridge wrote:besides,even by your very weak analogy you should be a believer of a religion seeing as its everywhere.
You're right, it is, but to me it's not at all telling in the way you think. Here's my take. It's not about humans having an innate belief in a god or gods, it's about us having an innate desire to know why everything happens. In the times when most religions were founded, we didn't know why it rained, why there was wind, why we fell ill, why there were earthquakes, why the sun and moon travelled across the sky, why the tides rose and fell etc. etc. We couldn't understand how these things happened so we decided that there must be more powerful beings than us making them happen. Religions are there to make sense of the unexplainable. We now have explainations for all the things that I mentioned, but as science has yet to explain everything, there are still areas in which God can be invoked. To me what is telling is that these areas are forever decreasing.glennjridge wrote: and I'm here to tell you, history is here to tell you that on a equal playing field,....history and stats show him..humans... will believe in the concept of A God or creator, or higher power in and by itself.it doesnt have to be defined.primititive man believd in the sun being a God, bcause they assumed there had to be a God and it looked impressive and called that God.thats telling.
...Which explains why you are treated as a child in discussions that occasionally require a modicum of intellectual depth.glennjridge wrote:when the bible says believe like children...I believe on the say so that this is what God wants me to believe whether it happened or not.I'm believing like a child.
Yup, you're right, I wouldn't accept any form of the teaching of religion, but that's besides the point and a discussion for another day.glennjridge wrote:
as far as redsock only against the kind of religion that speaks of things like young earth,its hard to believe that, since even though I dont believe in young earth... on the otherhand I do believe ...say...Jesus walked thru a wooden door as the account says. I'm sure scientifically thats also demonstratively considered wrong, so I doubt redsock would accept any part of teaching religion.
<------- does in fact wear baseball caps backwardsDrico One wrote:...Which explains why you are treated as a child in discussions that occasionally require a modicum of intellectual depth.glennjridge wrote:when the bible says believe like children...I believe on the say so that this is what God wants me to believe whether it happened or not.I'm believing like a child.
We've crossed swords on numerous occasions for the best part of a decade - and despite our eternal differences and ostensibly hostile (though often hilarious) confrontations, I've come to view your contributions as a window on the world of Guy Mac Yank, the regular American "dude" who shoots some pool, drinks some beer, and wears baseball hats backwards without a shred of self-conscious embarrassment. Don't get me wrong - I think you're nuts, but I don't think there's a bad bone in your body. At this stage, you're a guilty pleasure. Never change.
Drico.
