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Lethe wrote:

LittleBummerBoy wrote:

BlueSwan wrote:Kylie has always been patchy - it can't be good all of the time!

Yeah, she's as infectious as a bad rash you can't get rid of

What the f*ck's Dannii then?????

Aural Haemmoroids or the poor-man's Betty Boo.

Eldritch wrote:"Is it just me or is Kylie one of the most overrated pop stars ever?

It's just you

Eldritch wrote:Her SAW-songs sound like all the SAW songs sound nowadays – totally unlistenable.

That's your impression Actually, the 2nd Technologic album is going to sound like S/A/W circa 1988

Eldritch wrote:Her "grown-up" period had one classic song (Confide In Me) but otherwise the album on the cover of which she looks like a rabid secretary was barbarically boring.

I think both the album and the sleeve are brilliant -- the "rabid secretary" pictures are true classics.

Eldritch wrote:She was even stupid enough to turn a perfectly okay PSB track into house mush and turn down contributions from Saint Etienne and Primal Scream.

She actually covered St Et's "Nothing can stop us now" but I'm so used to the Ets version I can't like Kylie's, especially as she does it to the original backing track :/ But she also turned down Prince's contributions.

Eldritch wrote:I can't comment on the so-called Impossible Princess album, because I never heard that – but neither did anyone else.

I have, it's quite horrible.

Eldritch wrote:Light Years was not only cheese but desperate cheese (Your Disco Needs You – Jesus Christ!) that for some insane reason sold a lot.

I think people who don't like Light Years don't like pop music. Actually out of its 15 tracks (including Pass Word) the only one that's not brilliant is "Bittersweet boredom". Luckily it's also short. While Fever has got a few fillers and Body Language *is* a filler, Light Years is as close to perfect as pop music can get -- back in the days of Aimoo I argued with Zeus, because I said Light Years should have had at least 6 singles (none of which should have been called Please Stay, though) and he said that it was perfect marketing tactics to release only four and rush in with Fever. Maybe, yeah, but I'm not one of the people who like calling artists "content providers"...

LittleBummerBoy wrote:

Lethe wrote:

LittleBummerBoy wrote: Yeah, she's as infectious as a bad rash you can't get rid of

What the f*ck's Dannii then?????

Aural Haemmoroids or the poor-man's Betty Boo.

BETTY BOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(drifts off into adolescent fantasies circa 1989.............................)

Lethe wrote:

LittleBummerBoy wrote:

Lethe wrote: What the f*ck's Dannii then?????

Aural Haemmoroids or the poor-man's Betty Boo.

BETTY BOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(drifts off into adolescent fantasies circa 1989.............................)

do you remember that video in the school ? Her greatest hits album is fantastic and it only costs about 7 quid

Ray wrote:I think people who don't like Light Years don't like pop music.

Oh dear oh dear. It's not just Eldritch, as there are, amazingly enough, people on this board, who DON'T like the toxic midget, and -shock, horror!!! - some of them are also gay.

Even more shocking for your obviously sensitive disposition is that we like pop music. Good pop music, you know - like those Pet Bob Gang or whatever they were called.

Ray wrote:back in the days of Aimoo I argued with Zeus, because I said Light Years should have had at least 6 singles (none of which should have been called Please Stay, though) and he said that it was perfect marketing tactics to release only four and rush in with Fever.

But he was a cabbage (and a thief) and still is!

LittleBummerBoy wrote:

Ray wrote:I think people who don't like Light Years don't like pop music.

Even more shocking for your obviously sensitive disposition is that we like pop music. Good pop music, you know - like those Pet Bob Gang or whatever they were called.

and what is ure definition of good POP music, can u pls elaborate ? It really neednt be celebral or intelectual all the time and isnt even supposed to be so.

I often get the feeling that ppl are biased against Kylie as a person (often resulting in childish name calling of a physical kind..midget, bucktooth etc ) Ok she didnt really have to struggle, comes from a stable home, has her greatest hits written for her...but then so bloody what ! She knows her limitations and within her scope has been making great music for 15 odd years.

I'd really recommend the Fever - live in manchester DVD to see what she is really capable off. She is a complete entertainer and when she fuses a trancey version of I should be so lucky, with the lines from Dreams ( Impossible princess), it becomes a wierdly touching moment ! I cant imagine another person who truly embodies the term Popstar today..

ok..i've gushed enuf

Ray wrote:

Eldritch wrote:I think people who don't like Light Years don't like pop music. Actually out of its 15 tracks (including Pass Word) the only one that's not brilliant is "Bittersweet boredom". Luckily it's also short. While Fever has got a few fillers and Body Language *is* a filler, Light Years is as close to perfect as pop music can get .

Well, I love pop music. I even love some manufactured pop music, but somehow I think that Kylie herself doesn't like pop music that much. She – or the people behind her making the decisions behind her – has many times tried to convince the listening public that she is something "more" than a pop puppet. That's why we got the adult pop of the 1994 album, the indie pop of the 1997 album and now the lame r'n'b of Body Language. Yet all her biggest hits have been "pure" pop music. Kylie seems to be too obsessed about "good taste" and being "cutting edge" to really make good trashy pop music – except when she's in commercial doldrums.

If we're talking about "manufactured" pop, the recent albums by Britney Spears, Sugababes, Sophie Ellis-Bextor and even all Holly Valance are far superior, because they all have about 3-6 tracks I would label as nearly perfect pop. Even Dannii's last album was superior to Body Language.

I heard Light Years two or three times, when it came out, and nothing on it really did the trick for me.

"Slow" is quite wonderful.

It's like you expect Kylie to save the world, whereas here she's just an ENTERTAINER.

As in, you groove to her song while you're drinking and that's that.

Trashing Kylie cos she's not the Beatles..well whatevah!

Shopper wrote:and what is ure definition of good POP music, can u pls elaborate ? It really neednt be celebral or intelectual all the time and isnt even supposed to be so.

I often get the feeling that ppl are biased against Kylie as a person (often resulting in childish name calling of a physical kind..midget, bucktooth etc ) Ok she didnt really have to struggle, comes from a stable home, has her greatest hits written for her...but then so bloody what ! She knows her limitations and within her scope has been making great music for 15 odd years.

But pop should be exciting above all! Red-Blooded Woman is not exciting. Neither was In Your Eyes. Neither was Spinning Around. They are just ordinary, routine production-line pop music, that would never have been hits without the iconic status of Kylie. For instance with their three albums Sugababes have already surpassed the whole 15-year (yawn) career of Kylie when it comes to great pop songs.

Kylie has always been a pop icon and therefore she could have got anyone to write songs for her. Yet, year after year she chooses incredibly mediocre songs by incredibly mediocre songwriters.

Personally I don't see longevity in itself as anything to shout about. There are many even more talentless people in pop that have been around for even more than 15 years.

Ray wrote: She actually covered St Et's "Nothing can stop us now" but I'm so used to the Ets version I can't like Kylie's, especially as she does it to the original backing track :/ But she also turned down Prince's contributions

Was it ever officially released? I don't remember it being on any album. A b-side, perhaps?

I look forward to "Chocolate" release, things on chart will change for the better for Kylie Also, it´s always a pleasure seeing her on her videos

Shopper wrote:and what is ure definition of good POP music, can u pls elaborate ? It really neednt be celebral or intelectual all the time and isnt even supposed to be so.

Personally, I prefer people who write their own material - 'artists' as opposed to 'entertainers'. For christ's sake, Des O' Connor is an entertainer! Is that something to be proud of?

And if they don't write their own songs then they should be a bloody good vocalist.

All this icon bollox is, quite literally, pants. Gold ones too, I seem to remember.

I recall being sent the Light Years promo at the MOJO offices a couple of months before release. It didn't have the Robbie songs on there, for obvious reasons, but what was on there I played a couple of times then sold it on ebay for almost 100 quid. The money was great, but I was amazed anyone would pay that kind of money for a talentless pixie, quite frankly. Some people obviously have more money than sense.

Good pop music is in the ears of the beholder, you could say. I love pop music, and usually the more electronic the better for me. But I also like rock, indie, opera, classical, soul and countless other genres. But I DON@T like Kylie. Period. There's lost more 'pop stars' I hate too.

What I really object to is some twits who delude themselves into really believing that Kylie IS pop music ("Oh, she's lasted so she must be good, she's now an icon!" ). Kylie is a pop star, yes, of course, but I refuse to bow to the notion that you can't like pop music and dislike Kylie Minogue!

The two are not mutually exclusive.

And what I hate even more is this notion that you can't be a homosexualist if you don't like Kylie. People are being almost fascistic in claiming that if you don't like Minogue you can't be gay or like pop music. "You can't join our clique club, we don't want you."

I've never heard such narrow-minded bigotry, really. Sweeping generalisms like that don't help anyone. And WHY should we like Kylie anyway. You're free to like her. I'm free to dislike her. But don't accuse people of not liking pop music if they don't. Would people who don't like pop music even visit a PSB forum? I think you know the answer to that one.

It's like that poet who's name I've forgotten who said "If you're tired of London, you're tired of living."

In reality it's a ridiculous generalisation to make. I am a Londoner, and unlike 99% of the people who live here, was actually born in London too!), but I find that statement just plain wrong.

There are many things I love about London but I fully empathise with people who hate it, or have left it, and wouldn't touch it with yours. Does that mean they're tired of life? Of course not, it means they have opted for a different kind of life.

Pop music is different: different songs, different sounds, different artists (or entertainers ). And we don't have to like the same ones in order to be allowed to like 'pop music'. Simple really.

Kylie still rules...end of discission.

Steve Fett wrote:Kylie still rules...end of discission.

Oh, OK then.