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Deschanel wrote:Great points, Drico. Ultimately we do get what "we" deserve. I personally think that the Republican party here is a bunch of criminals actively dismantling democracy and wrecking the middle and working classes, with a smile, denying that that is exactly what they are doing. While the corporate media covers for them and pretends they aren't vicious, crazed, war-mongering greedy sociopaths. (To be fair, Democrats rake in tons of corporate donor money too, and Clinton was probably the most successful secret Republican president ever, the shit he pulled. My god, the more I think of him and his official policies and actions..) And I'm at the end of my rope caring anymore that impoverished, toothless, uninsured shit-heads in say, Alabama, continually vote for more of the same. We don't need another Civil War here, but a civil divorce, letting red states secede, might actually be a very good thing. We're not United, and we never really were. Go your own way, fvckkos.

Clinton and Alabama aside, that sounds very much like Spain.

i should have known better.......

Flaffer wrote:

raggatwin wrote:People are tired of this bullshit capitalist top down system where money is always the first concern, where the rich dont pay their way and the poor pay too much.

Hi Tony, Hi Gordon, Hi Peter ..........(sponsored by Unison)

two seperate issues are being conflated.

le petit corbusier wrote:That's what's happening in the public sector here. Lots middle-high ranged workers (social, health, prisions...) were fired, and in their place now there's lots of incompetent people who has no interest in society or experience, just obey the chief of the party, and keeping the chair warm.

But what have to say about all this the other spaniards in this forum?

indeed, the profit motive. not a working surplus as would be reasonable, a profit, no less.

Flaffer wrote:

raggatwin wrote:
Public and private sector workers unite, we will not pay for this crisis!

the public sector will never unite with the majority of the private sector, they are too insulated from reality. The public sector unions want protectionism and lack of responsibility as much as the bankers. We will only ever have a fair system when the incompetent and corrupt are subject to disciplinary procedures with the threat of real punishment for incompetence. A good hard working teacher should be paid more than a slacker, an incompetent corrupt banker should be sacked with no bonus as should an inept NHS worker. The people who are suffering are the workers who knuckle down and strive hard and do no wrong. Is a banker who manipulates interest rates worse than a council worker who goes on the sick knowing they won't get sacked, the principle is the same although the rewards are different

Those in the private sector are too individualistic, they keep moaning about THEIR pension, it's not public sector workers who shut down or made private sector pensions so expensive they werent worth joining.

When i go on strike (three times this year) i go not only for the pensions of teachers and other public sector workers but for all workers, to raise the conciousness of private sector workers, i want us all to recieve a fair pension and to be paid a fair days money for a fair days work.

I have worked in many private sector jobs, people dont get sacked in those either, the idea that it is far easier to get sacked in the private sector is a myth.

What model are you using to decide whether a teacher is hard working or not?

skiving off work and bob diamond's 30 million pound bonus are not comprable

raggatwin wrote:Those in the private sector are too individualistic, they keep moaning about THEIR pension, it's not public sector workers who shut down or made private sector pensions so expensive they werent worth joining.

Well it was really. The public sector is essentially the logistical arm of the government.

Let's take the BBC as an example. It spews out government propaganda which fails to address the issues which ordinary people are concerned about (for instance, immigration) and yet its own employees are themselves on the fiddle with regard to their tax arrangements. A f*cking disgrace.

The private sector finances public pensions and in the BBC's case, is forced to under threat of imprisonment. So not only are they told what they are allowed to think, they pay for the privilege. Everybody should be entitled to a decent pension and it suits the public sector to continue sucking at the teat whilst doing f*ck all about the situation. Please don't imply that public sector workers are all saints working for the benefit of the nation; in my experience the majority most certainly aren't.

The public sector used to have better pensions because the private sector paid better; that is patently not the case these days after three decades of neoliberalism. If you lose your job when they drop the A-Level module on Kris Kross and have to report to the Nazi scum at the benefit office, remind me what a boon it is that the thick c*nts hassling you deserve their cushy pensions paid for by the sweat of your brow.

Most of what you have written is untrue

Oh.... and I don't teach media studies...... but if I did I wouldn't use examples that are twenty years out of date and only remembered by angry old men.....

raggatwin wrote:Most of what you have written is untrue

No it isn't.