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JSDOUVRES wrote:Sorry if me speaking the plain truth offends people, but we should be able to speak up about these things without fear which is still a long way off it seems.

The problem is you. You don't know how to discuss.



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GalataPSB wrote:

JSDOUVRES wrote:Sorry if me speaking the plain truth offends people, but we should be able to speak up about these things without fear which is still a long way off it seems.

The problem is you. You don't know how to discuss.



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I do know how to discuss and it is small minded (or brained if you like) people like you that do not like me talking about taboo subjects and believe I have no right to when in my (not sure about your) society we have something called freedom of speech. And I would say that somebody that supports terrorists and believes that people have a right to violence and hatred in today's world because of some medieval event is pretty sick in the head to be honest. But that's just me perhaps?

This is an excellent article, the type of which will probably never be on the BBC website for obvious reasons so I will post it now even though I will undoubtedly get stick as it's on the Daily Mail website (shock, horror!!!). But me getting stick for supporting such articles kind of proves the articles right now, doesn't it?

The last few paragraphs sums it up perfectly, especially the last line:

Tolerant

The remorseless official focus on anti-racism has been further fed by the dramatic transformation of our society through mass immigration, which over the past decade has been running at more than 500,000 new arrivals every year, with many arriving from Asia and Africa.

It is no exaggeration to describe the change as an unprecedented social revolution. White British people are in the minority across entire conurbations such as London, Luton and Slough.

For all the cheering from the multiculturalists at this demographic upheaval, we have to recognise that it has not only imposed a severe burden on our civic infrastructure, reflected in overcrowded schools and overstretched hospitals, but has led to a host of other problems including the importing of dangerous diseases such as tuberculosis and rickets, formerly thought to have been eradicated from modern Britain.

As I know from my own experience, this country has been wonderfully tolerant. Few other nations could have absorbed so many newcomers without strife or political breakdown. But that tolerance is being stretched to breaking point.

Far from promoting harmony, politically correct angst about racism by the authorities is undermining the fabric of our society. And it is innocent girls like those in Rotherham who are paying the price.

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JSDOUVRES wrote:This is an excellent article, the type of which will probably never be on the BBC website for obvious reasons so I will post it now even though I will undoubtedly get stick as it's on the Daily Mail website (shock, horror!!!). But me getting stick for supporting such articles kind of proves the articles right now, doesn't it?

The last few paragraphs sums it up perfectly, especially the last line:

Tolerant

The remorseless official focus on anti-racism has been further fed by the dramatic transformation of our society through mass immigration, which over the past decade has been running at more than 500,000 new arrivals every year, with many arriving from Asia and Africa.

It is no exaggeration to describe the change as an unprecedented social revolution. White British people are in the minority across entire conurbations such as London, Luton and Slough.

For all the cheering from the multiculturalists at this demographic upheaval, we have to recognise that it has not only imposed a severe burden on our civic infrastructure, reflected in overcrowded schools and overstretched hospitals, but has led to a host of other problems including the importing of dangerous diseases such as tuberculosis and rickets, formerly thought to have been eradicated from modern Britain.

As I know from my own experience, this country has been wonderfully tolerant. Few other nations could have absorbed so many newcomers without strife or political breakdown. But that tolerance is being stretched to breaking point.

Far from promoting harmony, politically correct angst about racism by the authorities is undermining the fabric of our society. And it is innocent girls like those in Rotherham who are paying the price.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... hrive.html

Oh, and before you all cry "RACIST" the daily mail article was written by Manzoor Moghal, Chairman Of The Muslim Forum. And well done him.

JSDOUVRES wrote: I do know how to discuss and it is small minded (or brained if you like) people like you that do not like me talking about taboo subjects and believe I have no right to when in my (not sure about your) society we have something called freedom of speech. And I would say that somebody that supports terrorists and believes that people have a right to violence and hatred in today's world because of some medieval event is pretty sick in the head to be honest. But that's just me perhaps?

WHO the hell are you? You are still insulting. You always talk about "Freedom of Speech" in your f*cking society. What is Freedom Of speech?

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You don't know what "Freedom Of Speech" is. Bashing Islam is Freedom of Speech, Criticizing Israel is a hate crime. In your messages, We see "hatred, racism, ignorance". You have no right to generalize a nation / a religion / a culture / a race etc making fun of them. You can criticize "person" "events" not all people.

You always spread your poison saying bad things about Islam without knowing What Islam is. Why don't you talk about Zionist terror, Neo-con Terror, "British special forces caught dressed as Arab 'terrorists'" ( http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1556 )?

I'm sure you have a lot of things to say about "shooting Of Michael Brown and news on CNN/BBC about him". Isn't it a double standard?
And,

I am muslim. I am proud of it. There is no terror in Islam. All people (Muslims / Christians / Jews / Atheists etc) MUST struggle against ISIS, al-queda , neo con, etc terorists. Terror has no religion. Here, I discussed with "scheiner". I respect his ideas. I have no problem with him. But Jsdouvres is THE problem. His imperialist brain says "I am a White man, White man is always right, You are wrong, You are muslim" And he always insults. There is nothing to discuss with him. NOTHING.

I am also a PSB fan. I do love them. I am here since aimoo. I love this forum. Here, People can talk about anything. But NOBODY have a right to generalize all members of a religion saying "Terrorists". I am a muslim , I am not a terrorist. You have no right to insult on me and my religion. This is not "Freedom of Speech".. Jsdouvres, No culture is more superior than other cultures.


YFU is right

"""If you want freedom of speech, go make your own website. It's easy. No-one is stopping you."""

That's all!

GalataPSB wrote:

JSDOUVRES wrote: I do know how to discuss and it is small minded (or brained if you like) people like you that do not like me talking about taboo subjects and believe I have no right to when in my (not sure about your) society we have something called freedom of speech. And I would say that somebody that supports terrorists and believes that people have a right to violence and hatred in today's world because of some medieval event is pretty sick in the head to be honest. But that's just me perhaps?

WHO the hell are you? You are still insulting. You always talk about "Freedom of Speech" in your f*cking society. What is Freedom Of speech?

http://rt.com/news/173412-france-palest ... l-protest/

http://i.ensonhaber.com/resimler/diger/bbc_604.jpg


You don't know what "Freedom Of Speech" is. Bashing Islam is Freedom of Speech, Criticizing Israel is a hate crime. In your messages, We see "hatred, racism, ignorance". You have no right to generalize a nation / a religion / a culture / a race etc making fun of them. You can criticize "person" "events" not all people.

You always spread your poison saying bad things about Islam without knowing What Islam is. Why don't you talk about Zionist terror, Neo-con Terror, "British special forces caught dressed as Arab 'terrorists'" ( http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1556 )?

I'm sure you have a lot of things to say about "shooting Of Michael Brown and news on CNN/BBC about him". Isn't it a double standard?
And,

I am muslim. I am proud of it. There is no terror in Islam. All people (Muslims / Christians / Jews / Atheists etc) MUST struggle against ISIS, al-queda , neo con, etc terorists. Terror has no religion. Here, I discussed with "scheiner". I respect his ideas. I have no problem with him. But Jsdouvres is THE problem. His imperialist brain says "I am a White man, White man is always right, You are wrong, You are muslim" And he always insults. There is nothing to discuss with him. NOTHING.

I am also a PSB fan. I do love them. I am here since aimoo. I love this forum. Here, People can talk about anything. But NOBODY have a right to generalize all members of a religion saying "Terrorists". I am a muslim , I am not a terrorist. You have no right to insult on me and my religion. This is not "Freedom of Speech".. Jsdouvres, No culture is more superior than other cultures.


YFU is right

"""If you want freedom of speech, go make your own website. It's easy. No-one is stopping you."""

That's all!

Absolutely pathetic and no more than I would expect from somebody with your mindset.

I don't judge anybody because of Religion or race and never have, however, when I see injustice's in my society I have a right to speak out especially when the injustice's are based exactly on religion or race and fear with poor innocent children the victims. And the Michael Brown thing happened in America, I don 't know enough about the case to comment on it although it does look very much like an unjust killing and something wrong but I don't know the in's and out's of what happened so can't really give a proper view. The riots that have happened afterwards though are out of order and are never a way to find justice, but these kind of things happen all over the world and my country is Britain and I don't see fit to comment on something that has no real affect on me here and that doesn't affect me in a serious way, but of course I am all for justice and peace so the story of Michael Brown is a sad one and one that needs to be sorted out.

Now you are even playing the "white man" game! Are you saying that as a white man I have no right to an opinion? Because I very much do have a right. And I do not even know the race of people I discuss with on here so why would that be a problem anyway? Not that I have ever thought that way anyway. Typical you Galata, making this a Religious and race issue, EXACTLY what has been going on in Rotherham and all over Britain. Always an issue when you don't agree with somebodies views and opinions and it is very sad.

A question for you, do you see the Muslim pedophiles in Britain as real Muslims or do they not "fit" your view of somebody that has a right to claim so? It is a very serious question and I'd like to know your answer. Obviously ISIS etc are not real Muslims (to you) so I'd like to know your views on this. I really do think that your views on this are nothing more than a cop out though and an attitude you wouldn't share with people that follow other Religions but I could be wrong.

And I am glad that in Palestine that things seem to be calming down. Things need to be worked out there and the killings stopped forever. Sorry if you dislike me because I don't follow your extremist views on that region but hey I'm a white man so must be right????? What a joker you are.....

JSDOUVRES wrote:Absolutely pathetic and no more than I would expect from somebody with your mindset.

Insult again!

And the Michael Brown thing happened in America, I don 't know enough about the case to comment on it although it does look very much like an unjust killing and something wrong but I don't know the in's and out's of what happened so can't really give a proper view.

You are interested in isis and al-queda. You look for negative news about Islam. Michael Brown was a black guy, he was killed by a White man. No connection with Islam...Of course, You don't know. Of course, You are not interested. blah blah blah..

The riots that have happened afterwards though are out of order and are never a way to find justice, but these kind of things happen all over the world and my country is Britain and I don't see fit to comment on something that has no real affect on me here and that doesn't affect me in a serious way, but of course I am all for justice and peace so the story of Michael Brown is a sad one and one that needs to be sorted out.

Yeah yeah yeah! blah blah blah...

Now you are even playing the "white man" game! Are you saying that as a white man I have no right to an opinion?

No! People want you to respect all people. People want you to listen to us. But your imperialist brain cannot understand it.

A question for you, do you see the Muslim pedophiles in Britain as real Muslims or do they not "fit" your view of somebody that has a right to claim so? It is a very serious question and I'd like to know your answer. Obviously ISIS etc are not real Muslims (to you) so I'd like to know your views on this. I really do think that your views on this are nothing more than a cop out though and an attitude you wouldn't share with people that follow other Religions but I could be wrong.

ISIS = Jsdouvres. Inside of you, There is an "ISIS". It is "racism and ignorance".. I'm sure you have a lot of thing about pedophiles in Vatican and churches to say/to write. I'm sure you will start a new topic about it. because you said """"""""I don't judge anybody because of Religion or race and never have, however, when I see injustice's in my society I have a right to speak out especially when the injustice's are based exactly on religion or race and fear with poor innocent children the victims.""""

And I am glad that in Palestine that things seem to be calming down. Things need to be worked out there and the killings stopped forever. Sorry if you dislike me because I don't follow your extremist views on that region but hey I'm a white man so must be right????? What a joker you are.....

What are my extremist views? More than 2100 people were killed in Gaza. Explain this, White man!

All this is nonsense! Colour of skin or race has no bearing on whether an individual is evil or not. Both of you please shut the fùck up.

james23_uk wrote:All this is nonsense! Colour of skin or race has no bearing on whether an individual is evil or not. Both of you please shut the fùck up.

Agreed, try telling Galata that though. Apparently I have no right to an opinion on certain things because of colour of skin or race which is pretty pathetic really. And let's not get started on religion.............

GalataPSB wrote:

JSDOUVRES wrote:Absolutely pathetic and no more than I would expect from somebody with your mindset.

Insult again!

And the Michael Brown thing happened in America, I don 't know enough about the case to comment on it although it does look very much like an unjust killing and something wrong but I don't know the in's and out's of what happened so can't really give a proper view.

You are interested in isis and al-queda. You look for negative news about Islam. Michael Brown was a black guy, he was killed by a White man. No connection with Islam...Of course, You don't know. Of course, You are not interested. blah blah blah..

The riots that have happened afterwards though are out of order and are never a way to find justice, but these kind of things happen all over the world and my country is Britain and I don't see fit to comment on something that has no real affect on me here and that doesn't affect me in a serious way, but of course I am all for justice and peace so the story of Michael Brown is a sad one and one that needs to be sorted out.

Yeah yeah yeah! blah blah blah...

Now you are even playing the "white man" game! Are you saying that as a white man I have no right to an opinion?

No! People want you to respect all people. People want you to listen to us. But your imperialist brain cannot understand it.

A question for you, do you see the Muslim pedophiles in Britain as real Muslims or do they not "fit" your view of somebody that has a right to claim so? It is a very serious question and I'd like to know your answer. Obviously ISIS etc are not real Muslims (to you) so I'd like to know your views on this. I really do think that your views on this are nothing more than a cop out though and an attitude you wouldn't share with people that follow other Religions but I could be wrong.

ISIS = Jsdouvres. Inside of you, There is an "ISIS". It is "racism and ignorance".. I'm sure you have a lot of thing about pedophiles in Vatican and churches to say/to write. I'm sure you will start a new topic about it. because you said """"""""I don't judge anybody because of Religion or race and never have, however, when I see injustice's in my society I have a right to speak out especially when the injustice's are based exactly on religion or race and fear with poor innocent children the victims.""""

And I am glad that in Palestine that things seem to be calming down. Things need to be worked out there and the killings stopped forever. Sorry if you dislike me because I don't follow your extremist views on that region but hey I'm a white man so must be right????? What a joker you are.....

What are my extremist views? More than 2100 people were killed in Gaza. Explain this, White man!

OK, Muslim man (or is that racist because I see you as calling me white man as exactly the same), the 2100 people killed in Gaza were killed as a result of the terrorist actions of Hamas, ie the firing of rockets into Israel, like I have said on many occasions Hamas are a terrorist organization (or Freedom fighters to people with extremist views like you) whom don't have a care in the world for civilians including their own and believe they have a right to fire on Israel when they absolutely do not. Israel has a strong military which is well known by Hamas (I agree that they used it too much but any country probably would to defend itself from rocket fire, I bet Turkey and the UK would too) but they do not have a care in the world about the deaths of their own people whom they no doubt see as martyrs. Both sides need to get together and work for peace in the middle east which is probably far off but at least seems to be getting somewhere for the moment. I am for peace, not hate based on religion like you Galata.

As for the rest Galata, yes, ISIS etc are an important topic to me because they are a real threat on my own streets and extremism in my own country is something I see as vitally important to fight and I make no apology for that nor should I need to. If you see that as looking for negative news about them then you are potty. The terror threat in Britain is now at a serious level due to people like yourself trying to silence people like me that see extremism as a problem which is why things have got the way they have. People like you create fear and it has affected a lot of people on this very forum but not me because I will not be told I cannot comment on things because of colour or race, something you don't agree a "white man" has a right to, well, you are wrong. The threat of murder and terrorism in Britain and any country is a serious matter and quite why you would doubt that or my right to speak about it is beyond me.

As for this story of Michael Brown in America, well Galata, open up a topic on it and I will give an opinion, why criticise me for not doing it myself? Am I supposed to open topics on every event all over the world? Or is it another attempt from you to silence me? I think I know the answer to that.

Still calling me "Imperialistic"!!!! Galata, grow up, it might offend you that I am a white British non Muslim that has freedom of speech but try realising that it is 2014, not 1014 and that the world has changed quite a lot in the meantime. And what do you mean when you say the following: "No! People want you to respect all people. People want you to listen to us. But your imperialist brain cannot understand it." So you are all people yet look at yourself as "us"? Doesn't that mean you don't see yourself as all people? What do you mean by us? Sorry, I just don't understand you sometimes! I see all people as equal which means that I can criticise people equally. Unlike yourself that claims to see all people equally yet will never criticise people of a certain Religion. And I wonder why?

pointless ....

GalataPSB wrote:pointless ....

Yes Galata, your arguments are pointless. And quite why you bring in a story from America and even have a go at me about that I have no idea. You should try and realise that people are not obsessed with one Religion like you are and that people are free to speak and have opinions about people of all race and religions without it being racist, imagine a world where that was not allowed? It would all end up being a little bit like Rotherham now wouldn't it? You are defending the type of fear that contributed to the awful events that happened there and places all over the country and that is wrong. Everybody in my society should be held accountable for their actions even if people like yourself see it as being racist, which is just pathetic now isn't it?

JSDOUVRES wrote:

james23_uk wrote:All this is nonsense! Colour of skin or race has no bearing on whether an individual is evil or not. Both of you please shut the fùck up.

Agreed, try telling Galata that though. Apparently I have no right to an opinion on certain things because of colour of skin or race which is pretty pathetic really. And let's not get started on religion.............

What part of 'both of you' did you not understand........jeeez

BugBoy wrote:

JSDOUVRES wrote:

james23_uk wrote:All this is nonsense! Colour of skin or race has no bearing on whether an individual is evil or not. Both of you please shut the fùck up.

Agreed, try telling Galata that though. Apparently I have no right to an opinion on certain things because of colour of skin or race which is pretty pathetic really. And let's not get started on religion.............

What part of 'both of you' did you not understand........jeeez

If you don't want to read this topic then why the fùck do so? It obviously "offends" you in someway. And how dare you tell me to shut up in a public forum. Sorry, who are you?

so someone tells the both of you to shut the f*** up and you quote and write 'agreed'

I point out it was aimed at both of you and suddenly it's 'how dare you tell me to shut up in a public forum. Sorry, who are you?'

An absolutely perfect example showing yourself to be the the hypocritical, arrogant and self centered individual you really are.

...and who am I? I'm a member of this forum who would like you to shut the f*** up!.... at least until you can discuss a topic in a civil and respectful manner and accept the reason people don't want to comment on these subjects is because of YOUR attitude.