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skyhigh wrote:

JSDOUVRES wrote: Erasure have had the outstanding achievement of 5 number 1 albums so I still believe they deserve a Brit!

They've missed the boat for a Brit. If they were to get one, they'd have got it 15 years ago. Erasure have no place in todays music industry and they do not seem able to diversify in any way that would enable them to continue and hence deserve any kind of award. 2004, PSB recieved Q's inspiration award. 5 years later they are awarded the Brits outstanding achievement award. Music press in general seem to think they are still at a high point in their careers and have been for the last 5 years. What Erasure fans dont understand or fail to appreciate is that they are off the radar.

Rubbish! Yes it is nice of the PSB to be getting the Brit but has little importance at the end of the day. The most important thing is that they continue to make music and to say that Erasure have no place in todays music industry is pretty small minded! No place in today's music industry!! Because you don't like their music!! WTF!! There are pleanty of people that do like Erasure's music whether you like it or not but to say what you do simply because you don't like a group is ridiculous!! I really liked the last few Erasure albums and I couldn't care less whether they are commercially successful or not. A week or two in the top 10 like PSB is hardly a commercial success now is it? And if you want to judge me because I liked the last few Erasure albums then make my day and I can judge you on Barenaked ladies if you want! Are they Off the radar? What radar anyway? Erasure are an electro pop group that to this day make electro pop albums that you don't like! Simple as that.
Oh and Erasure got a Brit for Best group in 1989 so in fact you are wrong by saying they missed the boat for a Brit anyway.
Both groups are different and great in their own ways. The PSB are a bit more commercial but let's be honest, they hardly set the charts alight these days do they?

JSDOUVRES wrote:Both groups are different and great in their own ways. The PSB are a bit more commercial but let's be honest, they hardly set the charts alight these days do they?

No they don't but they are doing better than most acts that are still in the trade 20+ years later. A top 5 album and top 10 singles still and these released in very busy periods. Not only that, they have contributed in big hits for other major artists of late, like Robbie Williams, Madonna. Rufus Wainwright and Girls Aloud. Thats some C.V there, whichever way you slice it.

Undertaker wrote:

JSDOUVRES wrote:Both groups are different and great in their own ways. The PSB are a bit more commercial but let's be honest, they hardly set the charts alight these days do they?

No they don't but they are doing better than most acts that are still in the trade 20+ years later. A top 5 album and top 10 singles still and these released in very busy periods. Not only that, they have contributed in big hits for other major artists of late, like Robbie Williams, Madonna. Rufus Wainwright and Girls Aloud. Thats some C.V there, whichever way you slice it.

I love it that apparently the PSB always release stuff in "very busy periods!" Wasn't this crap started because Erasure got a top 4 hit with Breathe in 2004 which was apparently only due to being released in the "quietest week of the year!"

I have to say that if people really believe that the PSB are the geniuses they are, then why on earth would they apparently release stuff in such busy periods? Doesn't really make sense that. I suppose that they do that to "test" themselves against the best! Either that or a poor market strategy. Nahh must be the "test"!

Is remixing a song or being executive director to an album really contributing to a big hit? Wasn't the Robbie album a bit of a flop? Rufus Wainwright's album was a big hit? I'm not taking anything away from the Boys who I am a big fan of but at the same time I don't see that giving them overdue credit for side projects is really necessary. Fair to say the side projects help keep the PSB in the public eye a bit too, isn't it?

JSDOUVRES wrote: I love it that apparently the PSB always release stuff in "very busy periods!" Wasn't this crap started because Erasure got a top 4 hit with Breathe in 2004 which was apparently only due to being released in the "quietest week of the year!"

I don't know what you are going on about, to be honest. It seems someone replies to one of your posts and then you start over again with something completely irrelevant.

JSDOUVRES wrote: I have to say that if people really believe that the PSB are the geniuses they are, then why on earth would they apparently release stuff in such busy periods? Doesn't really make sense that. I suppose that they do that to "test" themselves against the best! Either that or a poor market strategy. Nahh must be the "test"!

Quite simple, reallly. The more people out shopping, the more you will sell. f*** hell, thats a no-brainer, surely? Whats the point of releasing stuff in January when no sod has any money?

JSDOUVRES wrote: Is remixing a song or being executive director to an album really contributing to a big hit?

Err, yes lol

JSDOUVRES wrote: Wasn't the Robbie album a bit of a flop? Rufus Wainwright's album was a big hit? I'm not taking anything away from the Boys who I am a big fan of but at the same time I don't see that giving them overdue credit for side projects is really necessary. Fair to say the side projects help keep the PSB in the public eye a bit too, isn't it?

How's it overdue credit? If you have put in the work, you deserve recognition. Similar to how much credit Trevor Horn received for his part in Fundamental.

Sorry matey but you seem to be trying to discredit everything just because you are having some forum battle with a few posters. Have an opinion by all means but whats the point in having a dig at every single point anyone makes? Fair do's if you want to defend Erasure but you are going completely the wrong way about it.

So when exactly according to you is the best time to release stuff? In the summer when everybody is on holiday or just after when everybody is skint because they have just been on holiday. And aren't the January sales the busiest shopping periods of the year? Obviously not for Erasure records.

And I am not discrediting the PSB for anything they may have done, so why discredit Erasure just because they have not done the same? ridiculous!

JSDOUVRES wrote:And aren't the January sales the busiest shopping periods of the year? Obviously not for Erasure records.

Not any more, no.

The public obviously got wise to their frequent January cheat strategies, thus forcing said inferior pop duo to attempt to piggyback on the awards success of the first electronic act to be given the highest Brits honour in the land.

JSDOUVRES wrote:So when exactly according to you is the best time to release stuff? In the summer when everybody is on holiday or just after when everybody is skint because they have just been on holiday. And aren't the January sales the busiest shopping periods of the year? Obviously not for Erasure records.

January is one of the worst times of year for retail outlets. January - March have always been dead periods. People are generally skint. Even more so at the moment with this so called recession on the way. Thats why you might see a lot of sales starting now - Xmas.

As somebody who genuinely liked Erasure in the 80s/early 90s (but always preferred PSB), they just strike me as having run out of ideas. Releasing an acoustic album of some of your old songs, a covers album and two greatest hits collections in the last few years doesn't suggest to me that they're brimming over with ideas. I got the impression that Vince was more excited by the recent Yazoo reunion than he's been about Erasure for a while.

The one thing PSB detractors can't say about PSB is that they have ever run out of ideas. Even if that is obscure vanity projects, preposterous ballets or Elton-related high jinks, they've never (touchwood) had to resort to PSB Unplugged or PSB Mimetically. The fact that PSB will be releasing a brand new album produced by contemporary pop producers in the New Year whilst Erasure hawk their 80s hits around the block again does speak volumes.

Patrick Bateman wrote: The fact that PSB will be releasing a brand new album produced by contemporary pop producers in the New Year whilst Erasure hawk their 80s hits around the block again does speak volumes.

Ran out of ideas?
Since 2000 Erasure have released 3 studio albums (new material) and the PSB 2 until next year. How exactly have they run out of ideas? DM have also released a lot of compilation and remix albums which tells me that it is something mute likes to do. I would love the PSB to release a remix album of older songs done by modern remixers but it may never happen. The Disco series of albums is hardly inventive is it? Most of them are full of previously released material! I suppose they don't count as having run out of ideas when they release them!

JSDOUVRES wrote:Ran out of ideas?
Since 2000 Erasure have released 3 studio albums (new material) and the PSB 2 until next year. How exactly have they run out of ideas? !

But look at the quality of them. I know yourself and the other die hards will like them and thats fair enough but from a casula fans point of view, everything is the same old, same old. Theres nothing fresh at all. Just because you release a lot of albums, doesn't mean they are full of great stuff and fresh idea's. Maybe thats why they have stalled somewhat. They have gone for quantity over quality

JSDOUVRES wrote: DM have also released a lot of compilation and remix albums which tells me that it is something mute likes to do.

How is a two-part complete singles collection and one Best Of, plus one remix album 'a lot'? DM also released their first album a full five years before Erasure so there's more material to collate.

Yes there is a bit more material but had material recycled on quite a few discs. Especially the last one. Just using it as an example but obviosly if it is not 100% accurate then it doesn't count for you! Even with Yazoo they have had a few "best of's" plus the recent remasters. Not too much new material there either.

Undertaker wrote:

JSDOUVRES wrote:Ran out of ideas?
Since 2000 Erasure have released 3 studio albums (new material) and the PSB 2 until next year. How exactly have they run out of ideas? !

But look at the quality of them. I know yourself and the other die hards will like them and thats fair enough but from a casula fans point of view, everything is the same old, same old. Theres nothing fresh at all. Just because you release a lot of albums, doesn't mean they are full of great stuff and fresh idea's. Maybe thats why they have stalled somewhat. They have gone for quantity over quality

Depends what you mean by Great stuff and fresh ideas! They are an electro pop duo that make electro pop records! What is crap to you could be great to someone else. Sorry but fine the PSB may experiment a bit more but I don't necessarily like the songs better just for that fact and what I believe the fans really like is a more electronic album which is what I am sure will happen with Xenomania. I like it that Erasure stick to what they are best at and the last few albums I find great!
And as for the casual fans well you can't please everybody but that is life I suppose.

JSDOUVRES wrote: Since 2000 Erasure have released 3 studio albums (new material) and the PSB 2 until next year.

Here we go again! Nope, since 2000 PSB have completed 3 studio albums, and produced two soundtrack albums of almost completely new material, plus half of Disco 3 was exclusive stuff to boot. It's really not sinking in, is it? Next!

JSDOUVRES wrote: Even with Yazoo they have had a few "best of's" plus the recent remasters. Not too much new material there either.

Oh dear oh dear. You get worse. Have you never heard of the word 'research' or do you just post the first thing that comes into your head, and just cross all arms and legs and pray that's it's somewhere approaching the truth?

There was a Only You: Best Of Yazoo in 1999 and this year saw a complete box set of remasters. Would you like to explain to how that constitutes a "few" best ofs?

I've a plan for you - it might be a novel idea, and one that you may not have considered before, but if you feel the urge to make another post on this or any other forum, if there is a good chance that, if I may quote, "it is not 100% accurate" because in your repetitively rabid haste you haven't bothered to check your, er, 'facts', perhaps you may want to hesitate before hitting the submit button. Just a thought...