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I do think you are anti-semetic greg. thats obvious.I mean you just said Israel was commiting genocide for the last 50 years. you need a lesson on what the nazi did in just a few years.you dont know what true genocide is.

its just a transparent tactic anti-semetics use,thinking they can turn the tables on Israel by accusing them of what happned to them.thereby downgrading the jewish holocaust.

seriously,Israel could have taken all that land and pushed all the palestinian into the sea and whip any arab country and their decrepid armys that tries anything. Israel doesnt though. and thats the descrepency that dooms your ignorant,embarresing, and primitive
anti-semetic views.

I cant believe someone like you got caught up in this sick,corrosive ideology that has infected so many seemingly rational people thru the history of this world.
consider the sources.nazi,....hamas..arab fundamentalist culture.....farrakhan,white supremecists. your with those freakshows?.... greg .....oh blah.

Lets clear up one thing.
I majored in 20thC history, specialising in WW2.
I know exactly what Fascism did.
And I know Fascism and racism when I see it.

I have never made negative generalisations about Jewish people.
You regularly do that about Muslim people.

"Seriously", Israel DID push all the Palestinians into the sea or across the border.
The land we are trying to build a Palestinian state from was donated by Jordan and Egypt.
And Likud wants to take that as well because "God" gave it to them.

Gaza is the people who WERE pushed out to create Israel. They are in an open prison camp,
deliberately starved of food and medicine, bombed into the stone age by a super power proxy,
with no say against the terrorist pseudo government that uses them. Apart from not recognising
genocide, where is your f@king empathy.

Neo conservative have screwed up the whole planet.
Remember Global warming which you said was a communist conspiracy.
Well there are 20 people dead here today from global warming.
Thanks George Bush and all the f@king idiots who voted for him.

glennjridge wrote: where as you really take no note of palestinian actions because you ...and most of the rest of the world ....hold them to a much lower expectation. you and they ...go in assuming they are barbaric and dont care about civilian casualties.hence why there never is any reaction for their firing of unguided rockets,suicide bombings civilian deaths etc.

Barbaric??

Glenn Glenn! Which one is better death way?? to kill civilians using suicide bomber or Using 10 ton bombs? Sorry! Palestinians dont have 10 toned bombs! Sorry!

JSDOUVRES wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/davos/7859417.stm

Wow what a hero he is???!!!!!

So how exactly would Istanbul react if rockets were being fired randomly into it's people? He didn't get round to answering that one did he?

I think we all know the answer to that, about 100 times more violently than Israel but hey Hamas are muslims so that is fine is it Galata? And before you say, yes London, New York, Paris etc. would also react in a similar vein, no surprise their but when it is Israel you can only accuse them of being murderers? Israel has had to put up with these missile attacks for far too long and they have reacted, Yes it is a tragic thing that people and many children have died, 1 death is too many on either side and I hope this war will soon be over but to blame Israel and turn a blind eye to the Hamas terrorists is a disgrace when like I said Istanbul would no doubt react in a much more than similar way if it's people were under such an attack. So what have Turkey ever done to stop Hamas attacking with rockets? F**k all That's sure.

Same old anti Jew racist propaganda from him and it is really scary when you hear some of the words from the Turkish prime minister. A hero? Pathetic. The rest of the world is thankfully not so stupid and can look at this conflict with both eyes open. Israel and Hamas BOTH need to make sure no more people are getting killed, yes, people Galata, not Jews and not Muslims but PEOPLE. Try understanding that.

I can understand Glenn's Ignorance. He lives in America,from the other side of the ocean.He behaves like Officer John McClane. believe me I try to understand him. I mean, He watches fox/cnn, reads Nytimes, Washington post. He listens to Glenn Miller orchestra and hes sings "When jonny comes marching home again hUrraa Hurraa" and " Glory Glory halelujah" There are a lot of Jewish lobbies ruling his country.I try to understand his simple ideas. He has an excuse. He lives iN America. I dont know the bigger excuse than living in America
But

I know that jsdouvres is racist.He is Turkophobic.(I know his old messages) I dont know what Turks did to him. I don't care.

a - You wrote many things aboutThe middle-east .


1 - Gaza is not a city like London or PAris. You cant compare this middle-east city with the city in your imagine.

2 - Hamas doesnt have an army. They make rockets using stove pipes.

3 - They dont have air forces, tanks, weapons.. *(except old USSR guns.)

4 - Anti semitism + Islamophobia are crime..

5 - Middle-east borders were drawn with ruler.

Is there a poroblem untill here? NO.!


6 - Hamas and Israel made truce 1-1.5 years.Hamas did not fire any rockets .But Israel attacked Gaza many times.Of course, Hamas attacked too after Israel attacks.How many jews were killed? Olmert says "Nobody".. How many palestinias were killed? 7 or 8 people...

In this 6 months There was no electricity, no food.Israel didnt open Gaza border.

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1-how exactly would Istanbul react if rockets were being fired randomly into it's people?

We struggle against PKK terrorists 25 year. 25 Years!! More than 30.000 people were dead.We remember explosing bombs in the middle of Istanbul.Peres and you cant tell us a story! Perez and you cant give us a lesson.
Israel has a strong army, modern technologic weapons, special forces and MOSSAD. And Gaza is not a city like New York. Paris London. If There are terrorist that kill your people, send your Mossad agents/special forces, Kill them... Why do you bomb hospitals/schools/Mosques... Because Jewish politicians are blood suckers. Look at Ariel Sharon.. people is named him "the butcher of Beirut" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_sharon

2 - """"""""He didn't get round to answering that one did he?"""""

Moderator didnt give him any chance. Believe me, Our PM can reply all questions.

3 - "I think we all know the answer to that, about 100 times more violently than Israel but hey Hamas are muslims so that is fine is it Galata?"

It is really funny! Do you know why? Israel and Usa wanted Hamas to join into the elections! After a democratic election Hamas won. You must repect it. You can like it or not! But You must accept it. If we talk about Democracy, If we support democratic palestian, We must repect the results.

4 - """"""""""Yes it is a tragic thing that people and many children have died,""""

Is that all? What about punishment/Justice? What about International laws? What about Human-rights declearation document? Why are the UN hrw and civil society organizations available? Where are they? They were barking after 9/11.

5 - People call our PM as "HERO"..IN Turkiye He is hero now. Because He protected Our Honour. Nobody can speak Turkish PM who present 72 millions people, like that style..

He said that ""I had to protect the honor and dignity of the Turkish people but it should be known that we are meek but not easygoing sheep. Since you are older than me I do no answer you or increase my voice whichever prime minister he is he has to protect the honor and dignity of his people. The moderator wanted to close the session and interrupt me, before the closing speech in Davos I had to take my file and leave the session.""
A Greek Tv says : "He became the voice of Humanity"

6 - o what have Turkey ever done to stop Hamas attacking with rockets ?
many things!

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews


7 - """Same old anti Jew racist propaganda from him"""


Blah blah blah... Jews kill children/women bomb hospitals/UN Schools/Mosques..We say "You kill people" And you say "You are anti-semitist"..

You support bad. We cant support bad.

glennjridge wrote:I do think you are anti-semetic greg. thats obvious.I mean you just said Israel was commiting genocide for the last 50 years. you need a lesson on what the nazi did in just a few years.you dont know what true genocide is.

Jews are dong the same things against palestinians! yes Greg You dont know what true gencide is... Glenn will give you some examples from American History!

its just a transparent tactic anti-semetics use,thinking they can turn the tables on Israel by accusing them of what happned to them.thereby downgrading the jewish holocaust.

OMG

seriously,Israel could have taken all that land and pushed all the palestinian into the sea and whip any arab country and their decrepid armys that tries anything. Israel doesnt though. and thats the descrepency that dooms your ignorant,embarresing, and primitive
anti-semetic views.

Israel is foxy and stealthily.If you write good things about Israel, It Means, Yes Israel politics became successfull.Israel politics are not for middle-east people/muslim people. Becasue we see the truth. Israel needs fans in America and Europe.. We cant trust jews. Never forget, Jews killed their own prophet that was sent by God. God sent a lot of prophets to Jews! Jews never found the truth.They always wanted more. What happened.God punished them

I cant believe someone like you got caught up in this sick,corrosive ideology that has infected so many seemingly rational people thru the history of this world.
consider the sources.nazi,....hamas..arab fundamentalist culture.....farrakhan,white supremecists. your with those freakshows?.... greg .....oh blah.

Come On Glenn! Greg is not like you.He is clever, He asks many questions to learn. He is objective.. He sees dead babies that were killed by Israel. I like reading his messages. (Please Greg, Dont understand me wrong) I dont reply your some messages. Because I believe that He will see the truth by searching.I respect you

Galata I am not a RACIST or Turkophobic, but unlike you I have the right to criticise Turkey and any country in the world!!!! You will never understand that because to you anybody who says a word that may in any way criticize Turkey or Muslims then they are Racist??!!
How Pathetic!!!
You don't even know the meaning of the word Racist which is a probably why you are like you are!!
And you think I support Israel? I support their right to defend themselves from random rocket attacks but I also find it a disgrace that they attacked the way they did. No way did they need to use that amount of force.
I also find it astonishing that the world has not done more to stop these troubles but when I see the mentality of people like you then I can understand why it is not so easy.
How dare you call me a racist for no better reason than you don't accept criticism for your country, are you really that small minded? Probably yes.

Oh and in the last post you said Greg didn't know what true Genocide is. Well here is a big example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

Say what you like to me, call me racist, whatever you want but I live in a country where I am free to have an opinion about everything unlike you. I hope it never changes.
And the Turkey PM a hero? Give me a break! He never answered the question abot what would happen if a country fired random rockets into Turkey which suited him well!

Look up the word racist an apologize. You may be happy to be one but I am not and will not accept being called one by people like you that do it to try and stop people giving an opinion which is exactly what you are doing. Sorry but we are not falling for that crap anymore. Very important you try and learn that. I have no doubt whatsoever that I have a bigger and wider range of freinds from different backgrounds than you, Muslims and Jews included. And I am not Prejudice against anybody because of who they are or where they come from. You will never understand that and I pity you for that.

GalataPSB wrote:

glennjridge wrote: where as you really take no note of palestinian actions because you ...and most of the rest of the world ....hold them to a much lower expectation. you and they ...go in assuming they are barbaric and dont care about civilian casualties.hence why there never is any reaction for their firing of unguided rockets,suicide bombings civilian deaths etc.

Barbaric??

Glenn Glenn! Which one is better death way?? to kill civilians using suicide bomber or Using 10 ton bombs? Sorry! Palestinians dont have 10 toned bombs! Sorry!

galata, as I've said,if a lesser power attacks a greater power,whether you think its fair or not....the lesser power has no control over the degree of the greater powers response.

its the same reason little guys shouldnt go into bars looking for fights with big guys. the big guy could just slap the little guy around a little OR he could beat him within an inch of his life with a bar stool.

thats why little guys like the hamas have no business attackiing greater powers.they cant launch unguided rockets into Israel then complain to the world in sobs when 100 pound bombs start raining.

gregf wrote:Lets clear up one thing.
I majored in 20thC history, specialising in WW2.
I know exactly what Fascism did.
And I know Fascism and racism when I see it.

I have never made negative generalisations about Jewish people.
You regularly do that about Muslim people.

"Seriously", Israel DID push all the Palestinians into the sea or across the border.
The land we are trying to build a Palestinian state from was donated by Jordan and Egypt.
And Likud wants to take that as well because "God" gave it to them.

Gaza is the people who WERE pushed out to create Israel. They are in an open prison camp,
deliberately starved of food and medicine, bombed into the stone age by a super power proxy,
with no say against the terrorist pseudo government that uses them. Apart from not recognising
genocide, where is your f@king empathy.

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greg,like normal beings,I have empathy to people who deserve empathy. palestinians are allowed to work in israel and have the same rights as Israeli. that little tibit should give you apause for thought about your primitive and ancient anti-semetic views.

one side constantly bends over backwards invading gaza then moving out....and even phone calls citizens and tells them they are going to bomb despite the fact they could at ANYTIME wipe them out.let alone pussy foot over 50 years.genocide? please.

but hey greg, as I said, if you want to join historys who's who of the types and ideologys that have been anti-semetic and think your the abberation, be my guest.

You don't even know the meaning of the word Racist which is a probably why you are like you are!!
And you think I support Israel? I support their right to defend themselves from random rocket attacks but I also find it
a disgrace that they attacked the way they did. No way did they need to use that
amount of force..

Yaawwwwwwwwwwwnn!!! You are turning.

How dare you call me a racist for no better reason than you don't accept criticism for your country, are you really that
small minded? Probably yes..

You are insulting. You are using "RACIST" word many times. Youd escribe yourself very good

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Oh and in the last post you said Greg didn't know what true Genocide is. Well here is a big example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
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Do you blame Armenians that killed Turks in Turkey in 1ww. Was it not a genocide?. You are like WEST. You have double faces.You have double faces. Armenian assholes killed a lot of inncent people in Azerbaijan in 1990s. The West did not do anything.
In 1ww, In our country, Armenians collabrated with Brits\ Russians\French.. They started killing Turks.We pushed them into some countries. Was it a genocide? Is To protect our country a crime? What about Turks that were killed by Armenians! You cant say anything.Becasue you have double faces.

If the same things happens , We do it again..

http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/intro/index.html

Learn history. Not to know is not a shame, not to learn is a shame. Read it, and learn.Don't live in shameful.

Ok?

Say what you like to me, call me racist, whatever you want but I live in a country where I am free to have an opinion
about everything unlike you. I hope it never changes..

Your dogmatic ideas will never change! Don't worry!


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And the Turkey PM a hero? Give me a break! He never answered the question abot what would happen if a country fired
random rockets into Turkey which suited him well!.

Did moderator let him answer the question?? I think you didnt watch it..

glennjridge wrote: its the same reason little guys shouldnt go into bars looking for fights with big guys. the big guy could just slap the little guy around a little OR he could beat him within an inch of his life with a bar stool.

thats why little guys like the hamas have no business attackiing greater powers.they cant launch unguided rockets into Israel then complain to the world in sobs when 100 pound bombs start raining.

Wowwww! What a fantastic example! What about 9/11? Of course I can't compare American air forces with Taleban Air forces.? You bomb Afghanistan. And You are losing.

After this jewish operations against Gaza, Israel Lost, Hamas won! Hamas won many people's sympathy.

galata like JSDOUVRES shows in his post,just when someone is busy complaining about the actions or past of someone eleses country, your own history will come back to haunt you.

I know my country has them.that doesnt mean anyone cant critize soemthing going on in the world now for fear of getting into a historical tit for tat war.

GalataPSB wrote:

glennjridge wrote: its the same reason little guys shouldnt go into bars looking for fights with big guys. the big guy could just slap the little guy around a little OR he could beat him within an inch of his life with a bar stool.

thats why little guys like the hamas have no business attackiing greater powers.they cant launch unguided rockets into Israel then complain to the world in sobs when 100 pound bombs start raining.

Wowwww! What a fantastic example! What about 9/11? Of course I can't compare American air forces with Taleban Air forces.? You bomb Afghanistan. And You are losing.

After this jewish operations against Gaza, Israel Lost, Hamas won! Hamas won many people's sympathy.

keep in mind galata, anytime hamas wins,the palestinian people lose. its what we reffer to as a lose lose situation.

glennjridge wrote: greg,like normal beings,I have empathy to people who deserve empathy. palestinians are allowed to work in israel and have the same rights as Israeli. that little tibit should give you apause for thought about your primitive and ancient anti-semetic views.
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You didnt become successful. Israel can't win Greg's sympathy like this.
Many Muslims live in the Usa! Many Armenians/Greeks live in Turkiye.. Many Jews Live in Iran.

So?


Glenn! Do you see what jewish troops do in Gaza?

http://heyetnet.org/tur/dunya/3832-bebe ... -foto.html
http://www.habervaktim.com/resim.php?id ... 041&page=1
http://www.habervaktim.com/resim.php?id ... 007&page=1

May be, you and Your jewish friends can explain these...

glennjridge wrote:galata like JSDOUVRES shows in his post,just when someone is busy complaining about the actions or past of someone eleses country, your own history will come back to haunt you.

I know my country has them.that doesnt mean anyone cant critize soemthing going on in the world now for fear of getting into a historical tit for tat war.

Glenn, Jsdouvers has dogmatic ideas. I explained "armenians geocide"(!) many times. He doesn't understand me. He can't judge my history.He doesn't critize, He judges my history.

glennjridge wrote: keep in mind galata, anytime hamas wins,the palestinian people lose. its what we reffer to as a lose lose situation.

For all innocent palestinians, we are all criminals not only Hamas.