No Numb LIVE, no Numb SINGLE?

[jamie1978]

Anyway, this is all relative - if Minimal doenst push Fundamental back up into the album chart, there will be NO third single. Fact.

how/where did you hear that when your head is so far up your ass?

Singles cost money to release, they invariably lose money.

They exisit solely to promote album sales - that is the point of them.

If Minimal does not increase album sales, there will be no third single, whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

Additionally, if you think Numb could possibly be a hit in the USA based on your warped logic that 'stranger things have happened' then you are hopelessly deluded.

[profile790]

If Minimal does not increase album sales, there will be no third single, whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

Says who? You present your opinions as facts, so I'm sure you can come up with reliable sources.

[jamie1978]

Says any record company boss with a profit and loss sheet - ie all of them.

This is hardly a controversial opinion, its a simple fact.

EMI did not release London in the UK because they felt it would 'not increase album sales'. The same for the cancelled fourth single from Nightlife.

If you people do not understand this you're more in need of help than I orginally suspected.

[joncool5]

It's true what Jamie is saying although i think we will get a 3rd single this time.

[profile790]

If Minimal does not increase album sales, there will be no third single, whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

Says who? You present your opinions as facts, so I'm sure you can come up with reliable sources.

Says any record company boss with a profit and loss sheet - ie all of them. This is hardly a controversial opinion, its a simple fact.

EMI did not release London in the UK because they felt it would 'not increase album sales'. The same for the cancelled fourth single from Nightlife.

If you people do not understand this you're more in need of help than I orginally suspected.

You fail to prove your 'fact'. You said, and I will repeat: If Minimal does not increase album sales, there will be no third single.

Minimal is the 2nd single, so you cannot compare this with EMI's decision not to release a 3rd single from Release. Back then, they felt that a 3rd single would not help to increase album sales. The success of Minimal aside, the situation may be different now. EMI might come to the conclusion that Fundamental has more commercial potential.

[jamie1978]

If Minimal does not increase album sales, there will be no third single, whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

Says who? You present your opinions as facts, so I'm sure you can come up with reliable sources.

Says any record company boss with a profit and loss sheet - ie all of them. This is hardly a controversial opinion, its a simple fact.

EMI did not release London in the UK because they felt it would 'not increase album sales'. The same for the cancelled fourth single from Nightlife.

If you people do not understand this you're more in need of help than I orginally suspected.

You fail to prove your 'fact'. You said, and I will repeat: If Minimal does not increase album sales, there will be no third single.

Minimal is the 2nd single, so you cannot compare this with EMI's decision not to release a 3rd single from Release. Back then, they felt that a 3rd single would not help to increase album sales. The success of Minimal aside, the situation may be different now. EMI might come to the conclusion that Fundamental has more commercial potential.

Look, its really not complicated.

If the 'second best' single of the album fails to push Fundamental back up the album chart (which is the SOLE point of releasing it), there is absolutely no way on this planet they will fund the release of the 'third best' single (whatever they deem that to be).

EMI refused to release 'Closer to heaven' as the fourth single from Nightlife, because Drunk failed to get the album even back into the top 75, despite Drunk being a top 10 hit. And I'm sure most people would agree that CTH would have made a superb single choice, but thats not the point. Album sales are the point.

Very had 5 singles released from it, because each single release caused a new surge in album sales.

Record companies don't spend good money promoting and launching a single if it does not generate album sales.

Anyone who disputes this is frankly just wrong, and a bit dim.

[dgraysn]

Anyway, this is all relative - if Minimal doenst push Fundamental back up into the album chart, there will be NO third single. Fact.

how/where did you hear that when your head is so far up your ass?

Singles cost money to release, they invariably lose money.

They exisit solely to promote album sales - that is the point of them.

If Minimal does not increase album sales, there will be no third single, whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

Additionally, if you think Numb could possibly be a hit in the USA based on your warped logic that 'stranger things have happened' then you are hopelessly deluded.

my feeling is based on my response to the song and the fact that with the right promotion/exsposure any song can be a hit. i doubt anyone including Moby thought he could have a US hit until the songs from PLay were given massive exsposure thru TV shows and advertising. im open to possibilities while your attitude is warped and self important

[Nickname]

Is the fact that Numb wasn't part of the recent setlist a good sign that that Numb WON'T be single 3 (or 4, or 5)?

The Nightlife and Release tours featured all their respective singles, if I remember correctly.

Lucas.

I believe the main reason not to include "Numb" in the setlist is because this song has many orchestral arrangments. You can't perform this song without a big orchestra (at least the Fundamental version). And, of course, they prefer to perform their own songs (overall if they have to perform famous versions of no-PSB songs like Always on my mind, Where the streets have no name (I can't take my eyes off you) and Go West).

Maybe that's the reason why all the Fundamental ballads were not performed live on this tour? They should be able to do "Casanova in Hell" anyway though! On the other hand, "Left to my own devices" also features a big orchestral arrangement, and that was pre-recorded...

"Of course it's all on tape, but no one will find out..."

I am agree but PSB can't omit Left to my own devices. It's like WG or It's a sin although it had less success (they have played this song in all their tours, I think).

[jamie1978]

Moby had a hit with play because at the time, it was an amazing album and he created a sound for himself which sounded, at the time, quite brilliant. He deserved to sell as many albums as he did, it was quite a groundbreaking album in some respects.

Now, compare that with an MOR power ballad, and not a very good one at that, written by you-know-who.

I disagree with your assertion that 'any song can be a hit'. No, it can't. It takes a bloody amazing song to re-launch someone in a market like the USA.

Numb is not the Pet Shop Boys 'Believe' (Cher), its a sub standard power ballad which only the hopelessly deluded can call 'amazing'. It would be a catastrophic flop. In case you have not noticed, in almost every review of the album not by the sychophant named Peter Jackson, Numb has been singled out for ridicule and abuse. And rightly so.

[gomorrah]

I agree with jamie1978. logic dictates that if ALBUM SALES don't increase after Minimal is released, there will be no third single. it doesn't matter how high THE SINGLE rises in the charts.

then again, who knows. stranger things have come to pass.

[Burj]

PSB can't omit Left to my own devices. It's like WG or It's a sin although it had less success (they have played this song in all their tours, I think).

Left to my own devices wasn't played during Performance, I don't think, which was a surprise.

was It's A Sin done on the Release tour?

[dgraysn]

Moby had a hit with play because at the time, it was an amazing album and he created a sound for himself which sounded, at the time, quite brilliant. He deserved to sell as many albums as he did, it was quite a groundbreaking album in some respects.

Now, compare that with an MOR power ballad, and not a very good one at that, written by you-know-who.

I disagree with your assertion that 'any song can be a hit'. No, it can't. It takes a bloody amazing song to re-launch someone in a market like the USA.

Numb is not the Pet Shop Boys 'Believe' (Cher), its a sub standard power ballad which only the hopelessly deluded can call 'amazing'. It would be a catastrophic flop. In case you have not noticed, in almost every review of the album not by the sychophant named Peter Jackson, Numb has been singled out for ridicule and abuse. And rightly so.

again, this is all opinion which you continue to present as fact. was The Crying Game an amazing song? it was a huge hit here and got BG back on the radio. unfortunately he didnt capitalize on that success

[jamie1978]

So your logic is: Boy George has a hit 14 years ago with a Tennant/Lowe song which accompanied a very successful film in the USA gaining it lots of free promotion. Therefore, an MOR power ballad not written by Tennant/Lowe and not accompanying a film, and released 14 years later, will also be a hit.

Honestly, get a grip.

[Burj]

Boy George has a hit 14 years ago with a Tennant/Lowe song

I thought it was a cover version of a 50s song?

[jamie1978]

Whatever, its got nothing to do with Numb being a truly terribly choice for a single which will flop instantly. That was the point I was making.