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Posted: Wed 24 Oct 2007, 6:17 am
by gregf
pet shop boy wrote:The definition of holocaust is destruction or slaughter on a mass scale.
Pet Shop Boy, I thought you did not agree with things having clear definitions ?
You do seem to be skilled at taking passionate issues, and winding folk up.
Arguing definitions on others web postings, is so easy.
It is not clever ; it is just disruptive.
There are a few topics where Wikipedia has been censored.
But on the whole, it is a good online reference.
It is easy for someone to find whacko web pages to support any whacko idea.
But quoting/linking Wiki is a good way of saying, here is what the majority say.
It keeps online debates, sensible.
On original topic, I think some people are open minded and fair, while others
are rigid and dogmatic by nature (or is it nurture ?).
The latter type seem to congregate to right wing parties and philosophies
and never, ever, learn anything new.
Being dogmatic undermines ones own argument.
And being opened minded is its own reward.
Posted: Wed 24 Oct 2007, 1:41 pm
by pet shop boy
gregf wrote:
Pet Shop Boy, I thought you did not agree with things having clear definitions ?
That question may well explain your inability to understand those you dont like.
You do seem to be skilled at taking passionate issues, and winding folk up.
You contribute well to the way in which you insult me.
Arguing definitions on others web postings, is so easy.
It is not clever ; it is just disruptive.
I would've thought knowing what you're talking about makes for a better discussion, thus explaining one's argument better, why dont you subscibe to that logical logic?
But quoting/linking Wiki is a good way of saying, here is what the majority say.
It keeps online debates, sensible.
Majority? You have the quotes from the majority do you?
If someone uploaded something unproven, but the majority agreed with it, then its ok?
The latter type seem to congregate to right wing parties
I think you're a fascist, you hate the thought of people having the freedom to disagree with you ("right wing", whatever right wing is).
Wouldn't it be better for you and your left wing/marxist/liberals to segregate yourself from all those horrible "right wingers"? You obviously hate them, why live amongst them?
And being opened minded is its own reward.
Lets see how open minded you are with the above.
Posted: Wed 24 Oct 2007, 2:41 pm
by Danny C
"pet shop boy", you are a worthless little troll so I'm not going to get into a debate with you as experience has shown over and over what a waste of time it is.
The Holocaust with capital letters always refers to the systematic annihiliation of the Jews and other minority groups by the Nazis in the 30s and 40s, and that's not just in Wikipedia. That is a fact.
Posted: Wed 24 Oct 2007, 4:35 pm
by pet shop boy
Who decided that the german nazi holocaust should only be spelt with a capital?
Whilst this is the case to those who do so, is it dishounarable to the millions of people who were murdered in other holocausts, to assume that one was more superiour to another?
Can i call anyone of these other holocausts "The Holocaust" too?
Posted: Thu 25 Oct 2007, 4:48 am
by gregf
Ahh, a point of view that has some merit and is interesting.
And clearly stated. Good.
Pet Shop Boy, I don't hate you. I was agreeing with Danny's good advice.
Wikipedia is a great place for all those questions.
Now while I have not insulted you, you have called me a Fascist, left wing, Marxist-liberal.
Yes it makes me cross, that your use opposites together, but I don't hate you.
Just please do some research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-Right_politics
[edit] For the record psb, the 2nd half was a general response to the original topic
and not aimed at you.
Posted: Thu 25 Oct 2007, 7:37 am
by Parkol
We all have sins.
All.
There is no saint country in the world.
Big countries rule the world, small are jealous.
It's obvious.
Posted: Thu 25 Oct 2007, 2:13 pm
by pet shop boy
gregf wrote:
Wikipedia is a great place for all those questions.
Now while I have not insulted you
Wikipedia gives opinions put forward by the general public, not all of what wikipedia says is true.
You DID insult me, claiming that im skilled at winding people up, as if that is my intention.
Posted: Sat 27 Oct 2007, 11:39 am
by Lush
Not only are you wrong, but you knew exactly what I was referring to.
Posted: Sat 27 Oct 2007, 3:20 pm
by GalataPSB
Lush wrote:GalataPSB's posts never cease to amaze. In his eyes, Turkey can do no wrong,
That's the diffrent between your country and Turkiye...
whereas all evils are attributable to the US.
Do u live in earth?
I really don't understand why people want to waste their time trying to debate with someone as narrow minded and blatantly nationalistic, so I am not going to do that myself.
Why did/do you reply?
Suffice it to say that - at least outside Turkey - it is almost impossible to find serious historians who do not consider what happened to Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire between 1915 and 1923 a genocide. Denying the existence of this genocide is akin to denying the Holocaust.
We opened all Official Ottoman State and Military archives..We did nothing wrong..If the same things happens again, We will do it for this country again...All i want to say is : Governments /Parliaments cant judge the other country's history..People / Historians can talk/discuss, may be judge..but govs and Parliaments cant do it..
Why dont your modern great country Denmark help 250.000 germans in 2ww?? Why dont you open all state archives?? You cant do it... I know..
Thanx God.. We are always ready to face with our history..
Regards
Posted: Sat 27 Oct 2007, 3:26 pm
by GalataPSB
Parkol wrote:We all have sins.
All.
There is no saint country in the world.
Big countries rule the world, small are jealous.
It's obvious.
Maybe.. We/Historians can talk/discuss/judge Russian/Turkish history.. But Russian/Turkish govs cant judge Turkish/Russian History..
Posted: Sat 27 Oct 2007, 8:47 pm
by pet shop boy
Lush wrote:
Not only are you wrong, but you knew exactly what I was referring to.
What is the definition of holocaust then?
Posted: Sat 27 Oct 2007, 8:50 pm
by pet shop boy
Lush wrote:
I really don't understand why people want to waste their time trying to debate with someone as narrow minded and blatantly nationalistic.
Whats wrong with nationalism?
Surely its good to care about the prosperity of one's country?
Posted: Sun 28 Oct 2007, 1:47 am
by Danny C
pet shop boy wrote:What is the definition of holocaust then?
You've been told time and again the difference between holocaust and Holocaust. What are you trying to achieve with this pathetic show of ignorance?
pet shop boy wrote:Whats wrong with nationalism?
Surely its good to care about the prosperity of one's country?
Nationalism is not patriotism you utter, utter f***.
Posted: Sun 28 Oct 2007, 4:20 am
by beautyqueen85
These topics are so annoying and boring. America is like a huge corporation (take Wal-mart/Sam's Club for example), everybody hates it, but nobody can live without it. It rules and continues taking over the world. -that's the new WM motto-.Kind of ironic, if you don't agree with this analogy, you're invited to check it out.
Posted: Sun 28 Oct 2007, 5:09 pm
by pet shop boy
Danny C wrote:
You've been told time and again the difference between holocaust and Holocaust.
Nationalism is not patriotism you utter, utter f***wit.
The Holocaust was caused by the left wing fascist, Stalin.
The dictionary says that Nationalism is a patriotic feeling. Next time you cheer England at football or rugby, you're potraying nationalism. Its good to support the prosperity of your NATION.
I feel a listen to "Indefinite Leave To Remain" coming.
"Seeing you here, You're my nation................
Give me hope, Keep me sane
Give me Indefinite leave, to remain".
The Pet Shop Boy NATIONalism.
How can i learn from someone so abusive. You're clearly a very frustrated person danny.