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Loins Of London wrote:

pulse wrote:

23 acts can claim more No.1 albums than Erasure, and that includes The Shadows, Led Zeppelin, REM, ABBA, Elvis, Madonna, Robbie, Dylan, Genesis, Springsteen and the Rolling Stones.

Holy crap! Only 23 bands in the history of pop can claim more #1 albums than Erasure?!?! To be honest, that's amazing.

Loins Of London wrote:
23 acts can claim more No.1 albums than Erasure, and that includes The Shadows, Led Zeppelin, REM, ABBA, Elvis, Madonna, Robbie, Dylan, Genesis, Springsteen and the Rolling Stones.

Holy crap! Only 23 bands in the history of pop can claim more #1 albums than Erasure?!?! To be honest, that's amazing.[/quote]

skyhigh wrote:

Vince wrote: they will get the award in a few years..

no they won't. they'll never get it.

It would devalue the whole concept of Outstanding Achievement if they did. At a push I can see Vince Clarke, but not Erasure...

pulse wrote:Vince Clarke... arguably the single most important figure in electronic pop music history.

pulse wrote:

Loins Of London wrote:

pulse wrote:

23 acts can claim more No.1 albums than Erasure, and that includes The Shadows, Led Zeppelin, REM, ABBA, Elvis, Madonna, Robbie, Dylan, Genesis, Springsteen and the Rolling Stones.

Holy crap! Only 23 bands in the history of pop can claim more #1 albums than Erasure?!?! To be honest, that's amazing.

Not really. There's several acts that tie with Erasure, such as George Michael and Phil Collins both as a solo artists (with further No.1s as part of Wham! and Genesis), and Simple Minds I mentioned earlier in the thread. All three of them would be way head of the Bell-End & The Baldie in any Brits shortlist.

Besides, chart positions don't seem to count for a great deal with the Brits board. Sales appear to be the over-riding factor, in which case acts such as Adam Ant/And The Ants, who sold considerably more records than Erasure, would also be nearer the front of the queue, as would newer acts like Robbie and Take That.

Very true. If we started going on chart positions, we would be giving awards to Jive Bunny and Joe Dolce. The award is given for the impact an artist makes over the years. Sales, longevity, chart positions and contributions made with other artists. No wonder PSB have been offered it before. Their career beats virtually ALL acts hands down.

A couple of 50 year olds still making ground breaking music. Still working with the best producers and still writing stuff for the biggest acts around at the moment. Fantastic.

Danny C wrote:

DJ Pat wrote:Bob Geldof has written three number one singles, one of which topped the charts three times and raised millions for famine relief in Africa.

Which is why he was given an Honorary Knighthood.

He's not exactly enhanced or contributed to British music, has he?
Which I thought was the main criteria for a Contribution To Music award?

Undertaker wrote:Very true. If we started going on chart positions, we would be giving awards to Jive Bunny and Joe Dolce. The award is given for the impact an artist makes over the years. Sales, longevity, chart positions and contributions made with other artists. No wonder PSB have been offered it before. Their career beats virtually ALL acts hands down.

A couple of 50 year olds still making ground breaking music. Still working with the best producers and still writing stuff for the biggest acts around at the moment. Fantastic.

Well, I hate to rain on this particular parade, but I think it would be a stretch for anyone to say PSB are making "groundbreaking music". If one was to listen to the latest album, I would assume 99%+ would not label it anywhere near groundbreaking. It doesn't have to be groundbreaking to be good.

As for the best producers... bit of a stretch there as well. I'd rather have great music come out of the band on a creative budget than be wrenched out of them by people who have built up their name. Good music by association is only a theory. Once again, though, this is not to detract from PSB, who have some pretty great songs.

Hasn't Madonna worked with Britney Spears?

I'm sorry, I keep forgetting that I'm posting on a PSB board when I come here. I guess I should know better than to support Erasure.

pulse wrote: I guess I should know better than to support Erasure.

That's OK. It's just a shame we still live in an age where education isn't universal.

Loins Of London wrote:

pulse wrote: I guess I should know better than to support Erasure.

That's OK. It's just a shame we still live in an age where education isn't universal.

Excuse me? I'm well-educated, thank you very much. Coming from a person who thinks Vince and Andy planned to foil PSB's special day by releasing a couple of albums around that time, which, in case you don't know, takes months of planning *by the label* as well. Priceless.

No amount of education makes up for a lack of common sense. To me it seems you like to feign some sort of bravado on this board by belittling others and grandstanding. Really, really cheesy.

pulse wrote:Coming from a person who thinks Vince and Andy planned to foil PSB's special day by releasing a couple of albums around that time, which, in case you don't know, takes months of planning *by the label* as well. Priceless.

No amount of education makes up for a lack of common sense. To me it seems you like to feign some sort of bravado on this board by belittling others and grandstanding. Really, really cheesy.

An Erasure fan is calling me cheesy? Clearly you don't understand irony either.

Oh, and the albums in question were planned for release this month, but, mysteriously, now delayed to show up either side of Brits week.

You do the maths. On second thoughts, don't bother, I wouldn't want you to embarrass yourself any more than you already have.

Loins Of London wrote:

pulse wrote:Coming from a person who thinks Vince and Andy planned to foil PSB's special day by releasing a couple of albums around that time, which, in case you don't know, takes months of planning *by the label* as well. Priceless.

No amount of education makes up for a lack of common sense. To me it seems you like to feign some sort of bravado on this board by belittling others and grandstanding. Really, really cheesy.

An Erasure fan is calling me cheesy? Clearly you don't understand irony either.

Oh, and the albums in question were planned for release this month, but, mysteriously, now delayed to show up either side of Brits week.

You do the maths. On second thoughts, don't bother, I wouldn't want you to embarrass yourself any more than you already have.

Are you 14? What's with the never-ending grandstanding for the crowd? Apparently, for someone who hates Erasure so much, you certainly know a lot about their scrapped release plans. People were assuming that the release was planned for November - but Vince and Andy forced them at gunpoint to change this release date to spite their enemies lol. I think the only one embarrassing himself is you, my friend. And can you not make a point without hurdling an insult just once, or not trying to get the crowd to cheer like a 14 year old girl on a popularity rampage?

Sheesh, the way some people talk about this thing, you'd think PSB were officially desiganted "ordinary" before getting this award, and only now can they/we consider them(selves) "special".

Of course I'm happy to see them get any kind of well deserved recognition (and publicity), but at the end of the day this is only a couple of steps up from coming first in that Top Ten: Electropop Channel 4 programme or whatever, and arguably less significant than them getting there own South Bank Show special all those years ago. IMO, of course, I know some of you will disagree with me vehemently.

What I mainly want to say though that if Lifetime Achievement Awards can be given to Wham! in 86 (George Michael now? Certainly. Circa Older? Definitely. Circa Listen Without Prejudice? OK. But not Wham! in 86), Status Quo (whom I've nothing against, but surely there is little you accuse any long running act of that you can't accuse them of, even in 91), possibly even The Police in 85 (great though they were) and definitely The Spice Girls in 2000(!) it seems a bit churlish and needlessly unpleasent to say Erasure would somehow bring shame to this prestigious award were they given it. And lets not deny a couple of these were quite clearly not given primarily on musical grounds (Geldof, Mercury the year after he died).

I would probably place Erasure about on a par with Eurythmics. Maybe if you account for Lennox's other work and certainly Stewart's it becomes a different picture altogether, but they were awared the, er, award as a duo. Aside maybe from that controversial 1984 soundtrack, I don't think what they did was in a particularly different league artsitically to Erasure. OK, they had a greatest hits album which sold in freakishly high numbers, but so did The Beautiful South and (to a lesser degree) Deacon Blue, and no one's putting forth any Lifetime Achievement suggestions for them.

Incidentally, regarding the commercial success of post-Brit award albums, Eurythmic's Peace got to Number 4 and spent twenty weaks on the UK chart. Quite feasible for the Boys I would think, yet it would still be the best chart performance for an album since Very (I think).

pulse wrote:Apparently, for someone who hates Erasure so much, you certainly know a lot about their scrapped release plans.

It's my job to know about releases, whether I'm fond of said act or not. That's how I make the majority of my living. We do live in the dreaded 'information age' after all.

pulse wrote:And can you not make a point without hurdling an insult just once?

So now you've elevated me to olympic hurdler as well. I'm honoured. Maybe I can fit it in in 2012 among the cheese-rolling.

pulse wrote:trying to get the crowd to cheer like a 14 year old girl on a popularity rampage

Well come on, you have to admit, you've made yourself an easy target. It's almost like you're on an unpopularity rampage, desperate to spread the word of how good Erasure are, to a majority of people who, quite frankly, my dear, really don't give a damn.

It's like a Jehovah's Witness trying to give away copies of The Watchtower at Finsbury Mosque.

Do you really think that anyone is really going to take you seriously when a quick glance at your profile stats on this, a Pet Shop Boys forum shows that:

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Now that's what I call contrary.