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I think what makes people so frusterated is alot of times while we are out of one side of the mouth saying we should never be like them and that these rights should be for everyone, we see alot of cases as this recent one where that guy was denied entry into britain....that shows that people are clearly confused.

df118junkie wrote: 1. When you display non human rights to mankind, you deserve to be removed from the gene pool.

Perhaps they *do* deserve to be removed from the gene pool. Indeed, I think we could safely say that Bin Laden deserves to be removed from the gene pool. But the problem is, if you compromise the code of human rights which is extended to all human beings, then you endanger the protection that innocent people enjoy. That's why it is worth defending human rights for all. It ensures that nobody can be tortured or abused by governments, armies, and state agencies. When you admit that not everybody should enjoy this basic right, you enter into a dangerous area where governments, politicians, and ordinarily decent people in power have the opportunity to pick and choose who they can annihilate. And politicians are very good at being on the side of righteousness - even when they're wrong.

Call that radical, or call that evolution - it should not be decided by some PC people who would cry if I gave them a Chinese Burn...
To say otherwise just gives the terrorists a laugh and let's them know they can get away with it.

It's not about being PC. It's about protecting innocent people from creeping fascism. By espousing the values of a Bin Laden (who also thinks that many people should be removed from the gene pool), you simply descend to the level that he is most comfortable at and share his worldview.

2. There is - it's called reality. An unblinkered, non religious viewpoint that realises that "survival of the species" means that those who kill will one day be killed...

Unfortunately, this viewpoint also ensures that those who don't kill will also be killed by governments, state agencies, and democratic nations. By lowering the bar, you make the indefensible defensible.

Understand this - I love people - I have no malice to anyone who walks around this earth and threatens no-one. When you have a car bomb go off in the street, or have to remove a bullet from some gang banger, then you will start to understand the realities of futility - and Darwin will take over...

I'll tell you what's futile: discussing politics on the Internet (Copyright Paddy MacCall)

Drico.

Here endeth the lesson.

p.s. I gave up taking bullets out of gang bangers years ago because I realised the futility of it....

glennjridge wrote:your never in the line of fire if you live on the fence.

When has Canada ever been on the fence? I think it's obvious looking at the world stage that if you want to avoid getting bitten by ants you've got to stop knocking over anthills. Canada makes no pretense about being a Western secular democracy and yet nothing happens there because they don't play in other people's backyards without permission.

and the idea what nuns wear can be comparable to the burka because of material comparisons is just you bored and wanting to argue the opposite view point

Aside from the fact it's identical to a burka aside from six inches of cloth and designed to do the exact same job. Crack open a theological history book sometime.

women are forced to wear them because women are considered second class citizens

Welcome to Christianity until the rise of secularism. And much of it now, in fact. Hello Promise Keepers. Hello Vatican City.

Islams role in early history can be summed up with a janet jackson song. "what have you done for me lately?"

You do this a lot, and it explains virtually everything about your worldview. It's impossible to have a coherent understanding of anything without knowing history. It would actually be simpler in the long run to stop being ignorant. I know it takes a bit of reading and critical thought now, but you'll thank us later.

think of the normal people living in areas in the middle east who just want to get thru life..and the taliban come in ...next thing its sharia law.they didnt knock over antihills it just comes to them.you dont have an understanding because you live in a soft fantasy world like me and we can do our little arguments on the internet. for them its real.because these types spread.and spread.then they get the states.our constant meddling keeps them in a constant state of military ruin.

and common sense...has gotten so turned around...that I see people who are liberals....LIBERALS playing devils advocate for the burka that is imposed on women and drawing parrelles to a nuns skirt and habit.you guys are all about "rights". but seeing the weird notions about this and denying entry to people for fear of inciting muslims, liberals... clearly ...are a confused people.

glennjridge wrote: and common sense...has gotten so turned around...that I see people who are liberals....LIBERALS playing devils advocate for the burka that is imposed on women and drawing parrelles to a nuns skirt and habit.you guys are all about "rights". but seeing the weird notions about this and denying entry to people for fear of inciting muslims, liberals... clearly ...are a confused people.

I'm honestly not trying to pick an argument with you, but I have to point out that this is in many ways a truly international forum, and your use of the word "liberals", which is essentially used by the American right wing as a disparaging term, makes little sense outside of the US. For example, in the UK, the Liberals (or now Liberal Democrats) and in Canada the Liberal Party are not particularly left wing... in fact, both parties are quite "centerist".

Cheers,

-Zog

Personally I think he can have the money if he competes in an It's A Knockout style competition with the rest of the poor mes that claim compensation from the British taxpayer.

"Oooh I murdered somebody but I didn't mean to and I've been bummed in jail. What about my human rights?????" *sobs*