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Undertaker wrote:

What PSB album did 'The Loving Kind' appear on? PSB wrote it for GA. It helped sell a further 200,000+ albums. Awesome achievement.

Just to make you happy, i'll ask a different question ;- How many albums has Vince helped to shift for The Saturdays? You wont know because you probably wont even read the question (you are good at that, like Patrick pointed out) so i'll help you out. The answer is 6,000

Each time one of you come on here, beit Wynken, Blynken or Nod, you get 'owned'. Still, it's quite funny seeing you grasp at straws like this but also a little bit sad, witnessing everyone put you in your places

(The worned 'owned' is courtesy of Syncratic)

PSB helped GA to sell 200,000 albums? What have you been drinking tonight? GA would shift 200,000 albums even on behalf of a single written by a cat. Now, you really try to make it look like the GA fans rushed out to buy the LK because PSB wrote it.

tuff enuff wrote: PSB helped GA to sell 200,000 albums? What have you been drinking tonight? GA would shift 200,000 albums even on behalf of a single written by a cat. Now, you really try to make it look like the GA fans rushed out to buy the LK because PSB wrote it.

In the month that 'The Loving Kind' was in the charts, the album sold 210,000 copies.

Furthermore, going by your logic,you agree that the charity single would have sold, whoever penned the song. Yet you are coming in here ranting at anyone who has suggested that it didn't matter who wrote IJCGE. Well done

You sound like the kinda guy that would go and bet a grand that the world would end tomorrow.

tuff enuff wrote:Now it's your turn, come back after you learn that writing a song now or 30 years ago and making it a hit for a already successful hot chicks group has nothing to do with having it .

Still failing, I'm afraid. Why don't you look up the word "if"?

And no, the songwriting has not any relevance to the chart placing, hence Crazy Frog going to number 1.

Way to defeat your own argument. There's actually no need to have discussions with Erasure fans - they always seem to talk themselves into a corner all on their own!

pulse wrote:I actually believe that if Erasure were to get a Brit

Yes, we'll all hold our breaths for that, shall we? The problem here is that Erasure are not in fact better songwriters or performers - you just like them more. And oddly you have that weird football thing where defending your team's honor matters more than reality. I love Doctor Who, but I'm never going to pretend it's better than The West Wing. Sooner or later you have to grow up enough to realize that really really really liking a thing doesn't in fact actually mean it's any good.

A lot of us used to be Erasure fans. I had everything up through Run to the Sun. All of it. After that they just started sucking. They continued to suck, and only kept sucking even more over time. It's not that people are having a feud. Erasure just suck now. That's why they can barely shift 500 deluxe versions of their Hits album. That's why their Hits album is being wiped off the floor with a six-year-old PopArt. And you know what? Many of us criticized the Pet Shop Boys during their rough patch. I'm not fond of most of the Nightlife stuff, but it's still better than anything Erasure's done since Always.

And then after a few years, even the old stuff didn't sound good. It dated horribly. So I got rid of that, too. That didn't happen to most of the Pet Shop Boys' stuff; their songwriting and choice of sounds was timeless.

Pet Shop Boys are just better songwriters, vastly more sophisticated, more tuneful, more in touch with reality and by far better lyricists. It's as simple as that. They could have headed into Erasure territory with Nightlife and Closer to Heaven but instead they chose to expand their craft with Release and then put out two of their best albums, one of which was adored by critics and the other of which is probably going to be their bestselling record in a decade. If they'd kept going downhill in an endless retread of New York City Boy idiocy you can bet I wouldn't be here to talk about them - just as I'm not on Erasure forums anymore.

Erasure lost their fans themselves. It's as simple as that.

patrick wrote:Many of us criticized the Pet Shop Boys during their rough patch.

A rough patch will make or break a band. PSB's lasted 9 years but they got out of it. Erasure's has lasted 14, and despite a few signs of hope, they still haven't got out of it. Some might say they've headed deeper into it.

patrick wrote:

pulse wrote:I actually believe that if Erasure were to get a Brit

Yes, we'll all hold our breaths for that, shall we? The problem here is that Erasure are not in fact better songwriters or performers - you just like them more. And oddly you have that weird football thing where defending your team's honor matters more than reality. I love Doctor Who, but I'm never going to pretend it's better than The West Wing. Sooner or later you have to grow up enough to realize that really really really liking a thing doesn't in fact actually mean it's any good.

A lot of us used to be Erasure fans. I had everything up through Run to the Sun. All of it. After that they just started sucking. They continued to suck, and only kept sucking even more over time. It's not that people are having a feud. Erasure just suck now. That's why they can barely shift 500 deluxe versions of their Hits album. That's why their Hits album is being wiped off the floor with a six-year-old PopArt. And you know what? Many of us criticized the Pet Shop Boys during their rough patch. I'm not fond of most of the Nightlife stuff, but it's still better than anything Erasure's done since Always.

And then after a few years, even the old stuff didn't sound good. It dated horribly. So I got rid of that, too. That didn't happen to most of the Pet Shop Boys' stuff; their songwriting and choice of sounds was timeless.

Pet Shop Boys are just better songwriters, vastly more sophisticated, more tuneful, more in touch with reality and by far better lyricists. It's as simple as that. They could have headed into Erasure territory with Nightlife and Closer to Heaven but instead they chose to expand their craft with Release and then put out two of their best albums, one of which was adored by critics and the other of which is probably going to be their bestselling record in a decade. If they'd kept going downhill in an endless retread of New York City Boy idiocy you can bet I wouldn't be here to talk about them - just as I'm not on Erasure forums anymore.

Erasure lost their fans themselves. It's as simple as that.

You're talking yourself in circles like a dog chasing its tail. The great thing for me is Erasure have never written a song as "idiotic" as "New York City Boy," so I don't understand your metaphor.

It's funny. I've been on a trip to see friends in the US for the last week and a bit, and everyone that I've brought up that I am a fan of PSB to has just short of gagged. They all understand the Erasure part because they seem to get the musicality of it, but PSB seems to be some sort of island that only hardcore PSB fans seem to be on. It's very interesting to see that when I step into this forum, it's the only place PSB seem to rule. Sure, they may sell a few more copies here and there (still relatively low sellers), but there seems to be a real aversion to them when it comes to art. Simply put, the island you're on has a pandemic of schizophrenia.

Mind you, Undertaker stating that PSB were to take credit for 210,000 in sales for Girls Aloud when that PSB-written single almost had to sell its soul to reach #10 (a flop in relation to most GA singles), and when PSB barely sell one tenth that themselves is a joke of the highest order, and enough of a statement to warrant an admittance into a mental health ward. Bravo for praising your own delusion. Do you also regurgitate your food and re-eat it, thinking it's the first time you've had such a great meal?

Get real. And move on. You couldn't make a point if your life depended on it. Not to mention, Tuff Enuff has made a embarrassment of you and your numerical deciphering - in any other non-biased forum, you would have your pixels laughed off the screen.

Undertaker wrote:

tuff enuff wrote: PSB helped GA to sell 200,000 albums? What have you been drinking tonight? GA would shift 200,000 albums even on behalf of a single written by a cat. Now, you really try to make it look like the GA fans rushed out to buy the LK because PSB wrote it.

In the month that 'The Loving Kind' was in the charts, the album sold 210,000 copies.

Furthermore, going by your logic,you agree that the charity single would have sold, whoever penned the song. Yet you are coming in here ranting at anyone who has suggested that it didn't matter who wrote IJCGE. Well done

You sound like the kinda guy that would go and bet a grand that the world would end tomorrow.

Oh and you sound like the kinda guy who'd wrap his own excrement in a paper and call it a chocolate.

Nobody is arguing about the fact that the album sold 200 000 copies when Loving Kind was released, but to pretend it was because of PSB writing skills on the said song is only your wishfull thinking. If it was the case then PSB would sell like nothing 200 000 copies of Yes purely on behalf of their writing skills on Love etc and its "storm" in the charts. You know very well like me, that Love etc will sell probably the same amount of units like the PSB's first singles from a new albums use to do, ca. 15.000 copies/purchases , and how many copies do you think it'd sell if it was released by GA? Second, it wasn't me who said that IJCGE by The Saturdays got high in the charts because it was Vince who've written it. Where do you take it from? For your knowledge, I think it's the same in The Saturdays case, they're popular now and also could release anything written by anybody and it'd still be a success.

pulse wrote:They all understand the Erasure part because they seem to get the musicality of it, but PSB seems to be some sort of island that only hardcore PSB fans seem to be on.

How odd then that PSB outsell Erasure in both records and ticket sales. Only it's not odd at all, because you're once more fleeing from reality. I'm an American and I can tell you for a fact that while PSB is definitely an '80s band here, Erasure are nothing outside a handful of queens.

that PSB-written single almost had to sell its soul to reach #10 (a flop in relation to most GA singles)

This is basically your epitaph, isn't it? Describing a Top 10 position as a flop just goes to show how grotesquely you have to twist reality to keep building your paper house. Good luck with that.

tuff enuff wrote:Nobody is arguing about the fact that the album sold 200 000 copies when Loving Kind was released, but to pretend it was because of PSB writing skills on the said song is only your wishfull thinking.

Not really. The entire point of a single is promotion. It worked.

If it was the case then PSB would sell like nothing 200 000 copies of Yes purely on behalf of their writing skills on Love etc and its "storm" in the charts.

Right. Because as well all know, two men bearing down on retirement age vs a handful of cuties in their underwear always boils down to who has the better song.

It's silly to claim the Girls Aloud success was all down to Neil and Chris, but it's also silly to claim their songwriting had nothing to do with the single's success.

Firthy2002 wrote:A rough patch will make or break a band. PSB's lasted 9 years

eh????

s t e p h a n o wrote:It's funny. I've been on a trip to see friends in the US for the last week and a bit, and everyone that I've brought up that I am a fan of PSB to has just short of gagged. They all understand the Erasure part because they seem to get the musicality of it, but PSB seems to be some sort of island that only hardcore PSB fans seem to be on. It's very interesting to see that when I step into this forum, it's the only place PSB seem to rule. Sure, they may sell a few more copies here and there (still relatively low sellers), but there seems to be a real aversion to them when it comes to art. Simply put, the island you're on has a pandemic of schizophrenia.

s t e p h a n o, it's rather strange how you always describe Erasure in terms of their 'art' and yet simultaneously criticise PSB for their media profile, which is to a great extent due to their engagement with art.

'Art' for Erasure is recording a video whilst sitting on the toilet or the infamous Union Street drawings which are clearly the work of a particularly disturbed six year-old.

And for the last time, you are *not* a fan of PSB. Announcing this to your friends whilst wearing your rhinestone leotard is what caused them to gag.

Oh dear, the mask has well and truly slipped. I'd love to be a part of this fantasy world where the mere mention of PSB causes convulsions and the gagging reflex to kick in. So, which version of s t e p h a n o is it today ? The one that loves PSB and defends them to all his friends or the one that hates them with a passion and ridicules them every opportunity he gets ?

I'm sure someone mentioned schizophrenia elsewhere on this thread.

Patrick Bateman wrote:the infamous Union Street drawings which are clearly the work of a particularly disturbed six year-old.

Patrick Bateman wrote:And for the last time, you are *not* a fan of PSB.

patrick wrote:

pulse wrote:They all understand the Erasure part because they seem to get the musicality of it, but PSB seems to be some sort of island that only hardcore PSB fans seem to be on.

How odd then that PSB outsell Erasure in both records and ticket sales. Only it's not odd at all, because you're once more fleeing from reality. I'm an American and I can tell you for a fact that while PSB is definitely an '80s band here, Erasure are nothing outside a handful of queens.

that PSB-written single almost had to sell its soul to reach #10 (a flop in relation to most GA singles)

This is basically your epitaph, isn't it? Describing a Top 10 position as a flop just goes to show how grotesquely you have to twist reality to keep building your paper house. Good luck with that.

I'm not sure what circles you're spending your time in, but everyone here would beg to differ concerning PSB vs. Erasure.

And if you for once read correctly, I stated "The Loving Kind" was a flop in relation to their other singles - for it to scrape into the top 10 when their other songs effortlessly own it. It was a horribly boring song - no wonder it was given away.

pulse wrote:And if you for once read correctly, I stated "The Loving Kind" was a flop in relation to their other singles - for it to scrape into the top 10 when their other songs effortlessly own it. It was a horribly boring song - no wonder it was given away.

The Loving Kind was released in the immediate wake of the album's release and was essentially promoting that, as most singles tend to do these days.

You know, like Always (2009 remix) was promoting Total Pop! Oh.