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Monty-- wrote:'Numb' was released because it had such a profound effect after the World Cup. I only buy singles from the bands I follow because of the B-sides anyway. Having said that, PSB are notoriously bad at choosing singles. 'Before' as a lead single, anyone? Look, I wish everyone would just face the FACT that PSB won't rule the charts in this 'X Factor' era. Who cares about singles anyway? New album please.

Yes, Before was really a very bad lead single.

moxlox wrote:

london city boy wrote:Top 20 Physical Chart.

01 01 My Chemical Romance - Welcome To The Black Parade
02 NE Meat Loaf feat. Marion Raven - It's All Coming Back To Me Now
03 02 P, Diddy feat. Nicole Scherzinger - Come To Me
04 05 Bob Sinclar feat. Cutee B - Rock This party
05 03 Razorlight - America
06 04 Scissor Sisters - I Don't Feel Like Dancin'
07 NE Pet Shop Boys - Numb
08 NE Ordinary Boys - Lonely At The Top
09 07 Lil' Chris - Checkin' It Out
10 06 Beatfreakz - Superfreak
11 NE Jaime T - If You Got The Money
12 10 Cast of Nigh School Musical - Breaking Free
13 NE James Morrison - Wonderful World
14 11 Shakira feat Wyclef Jean - Hips Don't Lie
15 NE The Holloways - Generator
16 09 Justin Timberlake - Sexyback
17 12 Lily Allen - LDN
18 14 Nelly Furtado feat. Timbaland - Promiscuous
19 15 Cascada - Everytime We Touch
20 NE Rogue Traders - Watching You

That's pretty interesting. I wonder why PSB have such poor online sales? I bought all the online stuff that wasn't on CD/DVD for each Fundamental release. What did other people on here do?

well, "fundamental" was huge on i-tunes. so if many people downloaded the single with the album already, why would they wanna download the single once more? that might be a reason.

TeCHno PoP wrote:

Monty-- wrote:'Numb' was released because it had such a profound effect after the World Cup. I only buy singles from the bands I follow because of the B-sides anyway. Having said that, PSB are notoriously bad at choosing singles. 'Before' as a lead single, anyone? Look, I wish everyone would just face the FACT that PSB won't rule the charts in this 'X Factor' era. Who cares about singles anyway? New album please.

Yes, Before was really a very bad lead single.

"Before" was an excellent lead single. It did well in the UK and really that's the only place that matters...

"Before" was an excellent lead single. It did well in the UK and really that's the only place that matters...

7-22-40
Hardly set the charts on fire.
Good song, weak lead single. But what on Bilingual would've been better?

Discoteca

But what on Bilingual would've been better?

Possibly To Step Aside if it had been well produced.

moxlox wrote:

london city boy wrote:Top 20 Physical Chart.

01 01 My Chemical Romance - Welcome To The Black Parade
02 NE Meat Loaf feat. Marion Raven - It's All Coming Back To Me Now
03 02 P, Diddy feat. Nicole Scherzinger - Come To Me
04 05 Bob Sinclar feat. Cutee B - Rock This party
05 03 Razorlight - America
06 04 Scissor Sisters - I Don't Feel Like Dancin'
07 NE Pet Shop Boys - Numb
08 NE Ordinary Boys - Lonely At The Top
09 07 Lil' Chris - Checkin' It Out
10 06 Beatfreakz - Superfreak
11 NE Jaime T - If You Got The Money
12 10 Cast of Nigh School Musical - Breaking Free
13 NE James Morrison - Wonderful World
14 11 Shakira feat Wyclef Jean - Hips Don't Lie
15 NE The Holloways - Generator
16 09 Justin Timberlake - Sexyback
17 12 Lily Allen - LDN
18 14 Nelly Furtado feat. Timbaland - Promiscuous
19 15 Cascada - Everytime We Touch
20 NE Rogue Traders - Watching You

That's pretty interesting. I wonder why PSB have such poor online sales? I bought all the online stuff that wasn't on CD/DVD for each Fundamental release. What did other people on here do?

Because PSB fans over 35 have know idea how to 'download' stuff.

Phillip wrote:

moxlox wrote:

london city boy wrote:Top 20 Physical Chart.

01 01 My Chemical Romance - Welcome To The Black Parade
02 NE Meat Loaf feat. Marion Raven - It's All Coming Back To Me Now
03 02 P, Diddy feat. Nicole Scherzinger - Come To Me
04 05 Bob Sinclar feat. Cutee B - Rock This party
05 03 Razorlight - America
06 04 Scissor Sisters - I Don't Feel Like Dancin'
07 NE Pet Shop Boys - Numb
08 NE Ordinary Boys - Lonely At The Top
09 07 Lil' Chris - Checkin' It Out
10 06 Beatfreakz - Superfreak
11 NE Jaime T - If You Got The Money
12 10 Cast of Nigh School Musical - Breaking Free
13 NE James Morrison - Wonderful World
14 11 Shakira feat Wyclef Jean - Hips Don't Lie
15 NE The Holloways - Generator
16 09 Justin Timberlake - Sexyback
17 12 Lily Allen - LDN
18 14 Nelly Furtado feat. Timbaland - Promiscuous
19 15 Cascada - Everytime We Touch
20 NE Rogue Traders - Watching You

That's pretty interesting. I wonder why PSB have such poor online sales? I bought all the online stuff that wasn't on CD/DVD for each Fundamental release. What did other people on here do?

Because PSB fans over 35 have know idea how to 'download' stuff.

Hehe...well I've only started downloading stuff since the release of the Fundamental singles, simply because I want all the material. I prefer going to the record shop and owning the artwork

TeCHno PoP wrote:Yes, Before was really a very bad lead single.

I think I'm going to type the following sentence into a notepad textfile, save it on my desktop, open it when I need it and simply press ctrl+c, ctrl+v:

Before made #7 in the UK singles chart. We're still awaiting a better result for a PSB single ever since!

It's amazing how people continue to claim that Before was a bad lead single. Before did well enough. It made #7, Can You Forgive Her made #7, I'm With Stupid made #8. So Before performed pretty average, but certainly not bad compared to I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more (#15), Home And Dy (#14), DJ Culture (#13) and Miracles (#10).

I'm very surprised about the result of Numb in the physical sales chart. #7 is very good. I wonder how Minimal did on that chart, by the way.

Minimal was #9 on Physical sales alone.

I think it is pretty decent (and a shame) that all the Fundamental singles would have sold enough physical copies to enter the top 10. With I'm with stupid - 5, Minimal- 9 and Numb- 7

Hopefully Numb did well on Physical sales alone to justify a 4th single.

E-Mail Vampire wrote:Minimal was #9 on Physical sales alone.

I think it is pretty decent (and a shame) that all the Fundamental singles would have sold enough physical copies to enter the top 10. With I'm with stupid - 5, Minimal- 9 and Numb- 7

Hopefully Numb did well on Physical sales alone to justify a 4th single.

Let me try to explain - the chart is always a relative scale between sales ie it has no fixed link to the size of sales ONLY their ranking. The overwhelming majority of single buyers today(young adults,kids) buy their singles online (for their thumb size mp3 players/mobile phones etc or CD burners to save the hassle of going to the shops - they couldn't give a t*ss about having physical single artwork unlike the relatively invisible minority of fantical/fanbase buyers or the minority that can't/won't adapt to progressive change and greater freedom + ease of use it potentially gives).

As a result of this physical single sales are next to nothing - many shops now stop selling them/reduce their availability/ stock/range they hold and/or put them in the least prominent place in the shop thus a positive feedback is set up and the physical single is basically recognised as dead to anyone who watches the chart sales on a regular basis.

So you are basing your hope on a relative scale that contains DISMAL sales figures.I don't have the actual figures but i'm sure you can find them from my previous chart forum links i've left - think i may have seen them on this forum (remember only a decade ago a top 10 hit would have to sell at least 20,000 physical copies) but for an extreme example if the #1 sold 1000 copies a top 10 in the physical chart would sell about 200 copies!!!!!A decade ago a few 1000 singles would be needed to get into the top 75!!!! and that would be considered a complete comercial flop, even for PSB of TODAY, i doubt numb sold much more than that on todays chart.....

Its true, Numb was a total and utter flop by anyones standards

the lowest selling PSB single ever, probably (6000 first week sales must be a record low for any single released in the past 20 years).

I date to say 'I told you so' but it seems all too fitting

It was ALWAYS going to be a flop, it was a really bad choice for a single. I mean, REALLY BAD.

jamie1978 wrote:Its true, Numb was a total and utter flop by anyones standards

the lowest selling PSB single ever, probably (6000 first week sales must be a record low for any single released in the past 20 years).

I date to say 'I told you so' but it seems all too fitting

It was ALWAYS going to be a flop, it was a really bad choice for a single. I mean, REALLY BAD.

and yet it still isn't the worst charting PSB single...

! wrote:

jamie1978 wrote:Its true, Numb was a total and utter flop by anyones standards

the lowest selling PSB single ever, probably (6000 first week sales must be a record low for any single released in the past 20 years).

I date to say 'I told you so' but it seems all too fitting

It was ALWAYS going to be a flop, it was a really bad choice for a single. I mean, REALLY BAD.

and yet it still isn't the worst charting PSB single...

Whats your point, exactly?

Are you trying to claim it isnt a total disaster because it is only the second lowest charting single? Get a grip.

jamie1978 wrote:

! wrote:

jamie1978 wrote:Its true, Numb was a total and utter flop by anyones standards

the lowest selling PSB single ever, probably (6000 first week sales must be a record low for any single released in the past 20 years).

I date to say 'I told you so' but it seems all too fitting

It was ALWAYS going to be a flop, it was a really bad choice for a single. I mean, REALLY BAD.

and yet it still isn't the worst charting PSB single...

Whats your point, exactly?

Are you trying to claim it isnt a total disaster because it is only the second lowest charting single? Get a grip.

*gets a grip of invisible shelf*

No, I'm just saying it isn't the worst charting single. As I have already stated in another thread, Numb has done shit. Big deal, nobody thought it would go to number 1. I thought it would have at least got into the Top 20 like the magnificent Minimal...

Still, it proved the moaners (yourself included) wrong who said it wouldn't even go Top 30. I got what I wanted; one of the slower tracks released as a single and that's all that matters to me.