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homer1972 wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8296200.stm

Muslim population.

And linked to at the side of that, a point by point rebuttal of the video that Galata bosted...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/m ... 189434.stm

Danny C wrote:So I guess you subscribe to Gould's notion of non-overlapping magisteria?

Not that I'm aware of, Danny. My point was simply that some on the religious side often try to suggest that science is a religion for the non-religious - and that somehow that makes their religious beliefs in God and other supernatural mythology every bit as valid as the viewpoint of those who look for empirical scientifically-verifiable evidence. After all, according to this deception, everyone is religious. This is often the tactic used to withdraw from an argument - but it really works to the advantage of the religious as it gives the impression to the casual observer that there is some form of equal validity here when there isn't.

To my mind, to be religious is to be unquestioning, illogical, or in distress and in need of some form of psychological support. Essentially, it is to be ignorant or hopeless. Neither is something I'd necessarily condemn in a person - ignorance can result from lack of opportunity and hopelessness can strike anybody. That's why I respect people's right to worship what they want, whether it be a multi-armed elephant, the family cat, or Andy Bell's feather boa. However, that's where it ends. I won't have irrational beliefs foisted on me through the legal system by zealots in religious organisations. If they want tolerance for their beliefs, they'd better extend the same courtesy to those of us who don't believe.

Drico.

Your Funny Uncle wrote:And linked to at the side of that, a point by point rebuttal of the video that Galata bosted...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/m ... 189434.stm

I think you just unwittingly invented a new dual-purpose word Rob!


StevePSB

U.K.: Jihadist preacher Anjem Choudary calls on Queen to convert to Islam



The invitation to Islam has long been a prelude to war if the invited party fails to return an RSVP in the affirmative:

Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war...When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them....If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them. (Sahih Muslim 4294)
That hadith restates and elaborates upon Qur'an 9:29, which offers unbelievers conversion, subjugation or death:

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Choudary is not deluding himself that the Queen is likely to break into programming on the BBC and recite the shahada, the Islamic profession of faith. He's just following protocol. "Hate preacher tells Queen: Turn Muslim," by Simon Hughes for Sun, October 18:

Hate preacher Anjem Choudary sparked fury yesterday after calling for the Queen to become Muslim.
He demanded an Islamic revolution across Britain.
Choudary, 42, said Her Majesty - head of the Church of England - should convert to ensure her place in paradise.

He also wants to see senior members of the Government switching faiths. Choudary, a key henchman of rabble rousing cleric Omar Bakri, said: "We invite everyone from the Queen, to the ministers, to the Parliament, to the aristocracy, to the ordinary person in Britain to embrace Islam.
"Save yourself and your children in this life from misery and prepare them for a great destiny in the hereafter."
He made his call during an internet rant to promote a march in London later this month supporting Sharia law.
The ex-lawyer also made a scathing reference to the next general election, declaring: "Britain does not need a new leader, it needs a revolution - an Islamic revolution."
Labour MP Andrew Dismore said: "It'd be laughable if we didn't know that some take this man seriously." A Muslim group branded Choudary an "extremist nut".
That was MPACUK, the Muslim Public Affairs Committee in the U.K., seizing on a moment at which Choudary's "extremism" might make them look "moderate," though their own track record is none too impressive, either.

What point are you trying to make exactly ?

redsock wrote:What point are you trying to make exactly ?

Just more wishful thinking, I guess.

Fugitive1979 wrote:

redsock wrote:What point are you trying to make exactly ?

Just more wishful thinking, I guess.

Yup ... more deluded "copy and pasted" rantings from one of the forum's nut jobs ....

If the UK became Islamic, who would the suicide bombers blow up apart from themselves? Oh that's right, it's not enough to be a Muslim, you've got to be the right kind of Muslim too.