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Maybe this was discussed/mentioned before, but if that´s the case, I missed the conversation!
Trying to make some order on my digital collection, and deleting duplicates, I found that many mixes of "Before", like the:

Extended mix 8:47
Hed Boy mix 7:35
Hed Boys dub 4:55

..are credited as being remixed by the "Hed Boys" (who are, according to Discogs, Andrew "Doc" Livingstone and Dave Lee) on some releases, but also credited as being made my "Joey Negro" in others. Even on 3X12" UK released the extended mix is labeled as "Joey Negro Extended Mix" and on the US releases the Head Boys mixes as "Joey Negro's Hed Boys Mix" and "Joey Negro's Before Dub"
So..I´m confused!
Anybody here knows the answer? maybe they weere remixed by both, the Hed Boys AND Joey Negro? or there is a big mistake on some credits and mix names??

Dave Lee is Joey Negro's real name...dunno who the other fella is.

Oznerol wrote: Sun 19 Mar 2023, 10:42 pm Maybe this was discussed/mentioned before, but if that´s the case, I missed the conversation!
Trying to make some order on my digital collection, and deleting duplicates, I found that many mixes of "Before", like the:

Extended mix 8:47
Hed Boy mix 7:35
Hed Boys dub 4:55

..are credited as being remixed by the "Hed Boys" (who are, according to Discogs, Andrew "Doc" Livingstone and Dave Lee) on some releases, but also credited as being made my "Joey Negro" in others. Even on 3X12" UK released the extended mix is labeled as "Joey Negro Extended Mix" and on the US releases the Head Boys mixes as "Joey Negro's Hed Boys Mix" and "Joey Negro's Before Dub"
So..I´m confused!
Anybody here knows the answer? maybe they weere remixed by both, the Hed Boys AND Joey Negro? or there is a big mistake on some credits and mix names??

Got this from Wayne's site:

Mixes/Versions
Officially released
Mixer: Pet Shop Boys and Danny Tenaglia
Album version (4:32)
Available on Bilingual
Single version (4:07)
Available on PopArt
Mixer: Danny Tenaglia
D.T.'s After Mix (8:45)
Tenaglia's Underground Mix (7:19)
Danny Tenaglia's Underground Instrumental (7:23)
Tenaglia's Bonus Beats (4:02)
Tenaglia's Bonus Dub (4:00)
D.T.'s Twilo Dub (8:59)
Mixer: Love to Infinity
Classic Paradise Mix (7:58)
Available on the Bilingual "Special Edition" bonus disc and on the bonus third disc ("Mix") with the "Special Edition" of PopArt
Classic Paradise Mix Edit (4:19)
Released on a rare U.S. promo CD
Aphrodisiac Mix (7:28)
Mixer: Joey Negro (Dave Lee)
Extended Mix (8:48)
Extended Mix Edit (3:56)
Released on a rare U.S. promo CD
Joey Negro's Hed Boys Mix (7:36)
Joey Negro Before Dub (4:58)

Just to add to the confusion, Dave Lee (Joey Negro) is also Love To Infinity.

tottenhammattspurs wrote: Mon 20 Mar 2023, 10:56 am Just to add to the confusion, Dave Lee (Joey Negro) is also Love To Infinity.

Really??? I didn't know that!!!

raggatwin wrote: Sun 19 Mar 2023, 11:12 pm Dave Lee is Joey Negro's real name...dunno who the other fella is.

Thanks for the clarification!!! It seems that if the other goy was involved or it was just a Joey Negro/Dave Lee work depends on the release, haha!

Oznerol wrote: Wed 22 Mar 2023, 6:20 pm

raggatwin wrote: Sun 19 Mar 2023, 11:12 pm Dave Lee is Joey Negro's real name...dunno who the other fella is.

the other goy

Oy vey!!

They also mislabelled the Classic Paradise Mix as "Danny Tenaglia Classic Paradise Mix" on the PopArt Mix CD.

Don’t forget this LTI Mix. It’s different to the one from the US Promo CD.

Exclusive to this CD:
https://www.discogs.com/release/1987002 ... ssic-Mixes

Btw, this CD has also the “Saturday Night Forever” Mix.

stormynight wrote: Wed 29 Mar 2023, 8:18 pm Don’t forget this LTI Mix. It’s different to the one from the US Promo CD.

Exclusive to this CD:
https://www.discogs.com/release/1987002 ... ssic-Mixes

Just got my copy, and indeed it is a very nice exclusive mix of BEFORE

I like how it starts with piano and chorus only

And this is precisely why any singles reissues should contain all official released (and to generate sales, unreleased) mixes. Fragmentation to exclusive download services or via extremely obscure promos is a real and expensive PITA

For these kind of queries I usually turn to www.psb-catalogue.com.
If you scroll to the bottom of the single they usually list the remixes.

On "Before" case they've got these:

Before (Single Version) [4:05]
Before (Album Version) [4:33]
Before (Classic Paradise Mix) [7:56]
Before (Classic Paradise Mix - Edit) [4:13]
Before (Aphrodisiac Mix) [7:27]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's After Mix) [8:46]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Underground Mix) [7:15]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Underground Instrumental) [7:15]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Bonus Beats) [3:59]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Bonus Dub) [3:59]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Twilo Dub) [8:57]
Before (Joey Negro Extended Mix - Edit) [3:48]
Before (Joey Negro Extended Mix) [8:47]
Before (Joey Negro Before Dub) [4:55]
Before (Joey Negro Hed Boys Mix) [7:33]

Before and Saturday night fever (?) found here.. tracks 14 and 15

https://youtu.be/h46bei2AfDc?si=hS99hsaRaDV-S761

lalolalo wrote: Tue 21 May 2024, 7:00 pm For these kind of queries I usually turn to www.psb-catalogue.com.
If you scroll to the bottom of the single they usually list the remixes.

On "Before" case they've got these:

Before (Single Version) [4:05]
Before (Album Version) [4:33]
Before (Classic Paradise Mix) [7:56]
Before (Classic Paradise Mix - Edit) [4:13]
Before (Aphrodisiac Mix) [7:27]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's After Mix) [8:46]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Underground Mix) [7:15]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Underground Instrumental) [7:15]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Bonus Beats) [3:59]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Bonus Dub) [3:59]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Twilo Dub) [8:57]
Before (Joey Negro Extended Mix - Edit) [3:48]
Before (Joey Negro Extended Mix) [8:47]
Before (Joey Negro Before Dub) [4:55]
Before (Joey Negro Hed Boys Mix) [7:33]

This list does NOT include the exclusive Love To Infinity remix that is avaiable here: https://www.discogs.com/release/1987002 ... ssic-Mixes

Indeed, you could argue if such a remix is to be considered 100% official, as it is not published on any PSB release...

VRIDD wrote: Wed 22 May 2024, 9:56 am

lalolalo wrote: Tue 21 May 2024, 7:00 pm For these kind of queries I usually turn to www.psb-catalogue.com.
If you scroll to the bottom of the single they usually list the remixes.

On "Before" case they've got these:

Before (Single Version) [4:05]
Before (Album Version) [4:33]
Before (Classic Paradise Mix) [7:56]
Before (Classic Paradise Mix - Edit) [4:13]
Before (Aphrodisiac Mix) [7:27]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's After Mix) [8:46]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Underground Mix) [7:15]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Underground Instrumental) [7:15]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Bonus Beats) [3:59]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Bonus Dub) [3:59]
Before (Danny Tenaglia's Twilo Dub) [8:57]
Before (Joey Negro Extended Mix - Edit) [3:48]
Before (Joey Negro Extended Mix) [8:47]
Before (Joey Negro Before Dub) [4:55]
Before (Joey Negro Hed Boys Mix) [7:33]

This list does NOT include the exclusive Love To Infinity remix that is avaiable here: https://www.discogs.com/release/1987002 ... ssic-Mixes

Indeed, you could argue if such a remix is to be considered 100% official, as it is not published on any PSB release...

I've found this to be the case with some PSB songs, not to mention other bands that I collect where an official remix is done, but never put out commercially.....it usually "leaks" out at some point.