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Re: Modern singles MUCH WORSE PERFORMACE than OLD!!

#46 Post by Eldritch »

reality_check wrote: In todays chart, singles rarely climb from their NE - this is usually the peak position.
All valid points, but this is not strictly true nowadays, since many singles usually enter the chart a week before the physical release on downloads only causing the single to peak on its second week.

There's also the fact that singles are nowadays played on the radio as early as two months before the actual release. For instance the Killers's When You Were Young was streamed in the net on July 10th, the promos were sent to radios on about July 17th while the actual physical single was out September 18th. The single reached number two and stayed there for another week, but one can't help thinking that nobody except the most fanatic fans are going to wait two months only to buy the single – no, they'll wait two extra weeks and buy the album then, leaving the single on the shelves. It's a great irony that radio is playing so many singles that are not available on that format, because the radio play of post-album singles usually begins 4-6 weeks before the physical release too, encouraging people to buy the available album instead of a forthcoming single.
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#47 Post by dVTB »

Remark wrote:I'm actually shocked that everyone feels Numb is a poor choice for a single. If you listen to one of Neil's interviews, Numb was supposed to be on PopArt because they needed a hit for their greatest hits compilation. And since "writing a hit" can be daunting (says Neil), they contacted someone who "makes hits for a living"--Diane Warren. So I think that both Neil and Chris thought it had hit potential from the get-go.

I really like Numb, and was moved the first time I heard it. It was very impressive to see it done live too. Several friends here in the US said they got chills seeing it live. But I can understand its weak charting potential, given that ballads from middle-aged pop stars are probably not as appealing as the other 22 songs that were ahead of it in the chart.

I think the timing is a bit off too. If Numb was released in place of Minimal, it would have coincided with all that World Cup promotion that it received in July with the UK defeat.

I just *hope* and *pray* for a 4th single. Integral really should be released, is begging to be remixed, would coincide with the European leg of the tour, and would be a triumphant close to the Fundamental era.
I really wonder how Numb would have fared, had it been a track on PopArt. I forgot if Numb was originally on that album instead of Miracles or Flamboyant. All I know is: both Miracles and especially Flamboyant were great singles.

I'm not sure what's the main reason of Numb underperforming in the charts. I doubt we can blame Dianne Warren's hit writing. I'm sure that the radio edit didn't help chart results, also the tracklisting of CD1 was crap, combined with new reports about distribution problems. Also there was a lack of promotion. Why was Numb released at all? What's the point, if you don't promote Fundamental nor Concrete with it?

I don't agree with the comments about Numb replacing Minimal. Not only was Minimal an obvious single, also PSB couldn't know in advance that the BBC were going to use Numb as background music for England's defeat. Also, we shouldn't overrate the influence of that short clip.

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#48 Post by Eldritch »

dVTB wrote:I doubt we can blame Dianne Warren's hit writing.
Why not? She's not had a big hit in years. Every dog has her day in this business, and hers seems to be over. If PSB had wanted a female hit maker actually capable of writing hits in this millennium, they should have contacted Linda Perry – a much younger writer who's also at home with more electronic genres in which PSB excel in.

Plus: Diane's style of writing was clearly at odds with PSB. Numb is a big rock ballad, that needs a bombastic rock band with a bellowing singer to make it a hit. PSB's and Horn's reading of the song was far too tasteful and subtle to make an impact, especially as it's a dull song in the first place. Perhaps Aerosmith rejected the song for all the right reasons?
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#49 Post by kimphilby »

23 Pet Shop Boys - Numb

And so Numb becomes the first single by the boys since 1991 to fail to reach the top twenty. Well I never! When I spoke to Neil at a recent party he not only refused to give me ten pence for a cup of tea but also ignored my advice about going hip-hop. I won't say I told you so but ya boo sucks you're down the dumper now and say hello to Erasure whilst you're there.
What pleasure does that bitter Queen get from comments like that? He consistently loves to have a pop at the boys as though they are above their station in some way and need cutting down by an impotent in a council flat with a transistor radio.
Any old barely literate spam with the ability to hear could do his job, commenting on the hit parade (how autistic). Masterson, WRITE some hits (39 of your own + a bundle load more for others, tour the world many times and have millions in the bank). THEN you can make cutting editorial remarks on those who do the job you're not talented enough to do.

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kimphilby wrote:
What pleasure does that bitter Queen get from comments like that? .
Umm, kimphilby, that was Janet's parody of Masterton. Here's what the real guy has to say today:

"New in at Number 23 is the belated third single from the Pet Shop Boys' album 'Fundamental'. 'Numb' is a curious release as although it is taken from their previous studio album it actually serves as the promotion for new live album 'Concrete' which comes out this week. Perhaps rather disappointingly it once again hammers home how this great British band are selling to just their own hardcore of fans and hardly anyone else. Following the Number 19 peak of last single 'Minimal' this new hit limps in to the chart to rank as their second smallest chart hit ever, with only 1991 hit 'Was It Worth It' ranking lower by peaking at Number 24 (we're ignoring the remix of 'DJ Culture and its Number 40 peak here as that was simply due to a quirk of the chart rules in force at the time). What does make the single interesting is that it is the first non-cover the Pet Shop Boys have released to not feature a writing credit by Tennant and Lowe. Instead the track is written by songwriting legend Diane Warren who thus scores her first chart single since Daniel Bedingfield's 'Nothing Hurts Like Love' which charted in October 2004."

Note also the last sentence which pretty much sets Warren's current abilities as hit writer in doubt.
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#51 Post by kimphilby »

Perhaps Aerosmith rejected the song for all the right reasons?
Steve Tyler et al rejected Numb because they were working on a blues album. Warren;s song didn't fit. The Aerosmith-reject tag is not entirely accurate.
I'm not sure what's the main reason of Numb underperforming in the charts
Despite being #35 on the Airplay chart, the reality is Numb gained only 68 plays the week before it's release. The reason for its 'high' airplay chart placing is that the chart is based on audience reach, rather than number of plays. No other song in the Top 50 received so few spins on UK radio, PSB gained a chunk of theirs' on radio 2 (the station with the largest audience). To have a really big airplay hit you need lots of plays on all the local stations.

No TV airplay. Numb video hardly got shown.

No promo. The boys are in US. They were on Paul O'Grad 10 days before Numb came out. Too big a gap. They could have been on Pop World, Jonathan Ross, the ALbum Chart show...But they weren't here. Cant be everywhere all the time.

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#52 Post by kimphilby »

that was Janet's parody of Masterton
He's still a bitchy fag.

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#53 Post by dVTB »

kimphilby wrote:
that was Janet's parody of Masterton
He's still a bitchy fag.
I disagree. His comment is mostly spot on.
New in at Number 23 is the belated third single from the Pet Shop Boys' album 'Fundamental'. 'Numb' is a curious release as although it is taken from their previous studio album it actually serves as the promotion for new live album 'Concrete' which comes out this week. Perhaps rather disappointingly it once again hammers home how this great British band are selling to just their own hardcore of fans and hardly anyone else. Following the Number 19 peak of last single 'Minimal' this new hit limps in to the chart to rank as their second smallest chart hit ever, with only 1991 hit 'Was It Worth It' ranking lower by peaking at Number 24 (we're ignoring the remix of 'DJ Culture and its Number 40 peak here as that was simply due to a quirk of the chart rules in force at the time). What does make the single interesting is that it is the first non-cover the Pet Shop Boys have released to not feature a writing credit by Tennant and Lowe. Instead the track is written by songwriting legend Diane Warren who thus scores her first chart single since Daniel Bedingfield's 'Nothing Hurts Like Love' which charted in October 2004.
It's full of truth. The only part that could be considered opinion is the comment that PSB only sell to their hardcore fans and hardly anyone else. And even that is pretty much a fact. It's exactly the problem PSB suffer from nowadays.

After the disappointing result of Minimal (let's NOT forget that this was partly caused by distribution problems), I was in favour of PSB trying something else to reach the main audience. So when Numb was announced as the 3rd single, I could pretty well live with it. If uptempo songs don't work, you should try a downtempo song. Only Numb and Indefinite Leave To Remain were options.

But when somebody here mentioned the playing time of 3.29 for the Numb radio edit, I already feared the worst. When I first got to hear the edit, I experienced the worst PSB listening experience ever. After hearing I don't know what you want but I can't give it any more for the first time, I was just disappointed, when I heard Numb radio edit, I shaked my head in disbelief. I still do, by the way. Others may like this edit, I think the song was ruined.

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Eldritch wrote:they should have contacted Linda Perry – a much younger writer who's also at home with more electronic genres in which PSB excel in.
I WISH!!!!!!!! :o :D :mrgreen: :clap: :dance: :yeah: 8)

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