beautyqueen85 wrote:America is like a huge corporation (take Wal-mart/Sam's Club for example), everybody hates it, but nobody can live without it. It rules and continues taking over the world.
Only if you let it by voting for people like new labour, or bush in your case.
What will happen to the globalistic nightmare when oil costs too much?
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nah. as george carlin correctly stated," politicians arent dropped down from outerspace,they come FROM the people."
thats why its pointless to say if ....only this party were in power instead of that one. it doesnt really matter. politicians are all cut from the same cloth.
once in power no matter what party they are a member of, they tend to morph into the ideals of whatever country they happen to be running.
as far as the walmart analogy mentioned previously,
its not just an american issue. countrys are essencially like stores.I dont know what you think all these countrys are out there doing but they need income to survive and to deal with the outside.
if america is succesful and that inspires envy. tough. I see no reason why the succesful should be shamed by lesser ones.
Yeah Glenn, all parties are the same: the Clinton years of peace, prosperity, a trillion-dollar surplus and immense technological advancement are exactly the same as our current climate of war, paranoia, surveillance, erosion of civil liberties, a trillion dollar deficit, and a million dead bodies.
Exactly the same. You're not reading up much on the business section of the paper, are you?
Americans are far from winners: in the last eight years, Americans have amassed astonishing amounts of debt. Besides the cratering housing market, the wholesale shipping of jobs overseas, Americans have been spending themselves to death, as the dollar has plunged and oil prices risen drastically.
Go visit London or Shanghai, dude: your dollars are worthless. We're paupers when we travel now.
We owe a trillion to (in descending order) Japan, China, and Britain. Economically, things are looking VERY shaky for the average American, buying plasma TVs on credit, with no safety net if a health catastrophe strikes.
America is actually looking at some grim times economically- we can't keep spending a trillion on a pointless war while the guy you voted for does all he can to eviscerate the middle class.
There's a huge crash coming, mark my words.
first off,about the "paranoia, surveillance, erosion of civil liberties" thing. that seems to be a exclusively far left thing and as such can be discarded and isnt worth getting into. there will always be the minority tinfoil on the head types imagining police states.
now, as far as the economy issue,that issue is bounced back and forth whatever election. jobs going over sea's the falling dollar, the power of another countrys economy.... its same issues every year every election bounced back and forth by each party. the war makes it all seem bigger and more unusual than it is.
we are at war now so the economy is affected. yeah, so what. tell me something I dont know.
your life,and my life wont change one bit as thats how it generally works. all this will be absorbed. if you are imagining a soviet union scenario,then theres no talking to you as your just getting melodramatic .it wont happen.
and your view on clinton,with all due respect,clinton didnt have 9/11.the millions of bodys is also pointless. the same mentality it takes where an end result is men women and children killed in somolia due to clintons deployment, is the same mentality it takes where men women and children end up killed in Iraq due to Bushes action.
as once again, ....my point is these men are all cut from the same cloth no matter party they initially come from. once elected,same stuff, war,economy, every president.
glennjridge wrote:as once again, ....my point is these men are all cut from the same cloth no matter party they initially come from. once elected,same stuff, war,economy, every president.
That's quite clearly not true. Without wishing too sound too partisan, Bush has been a disaster for the American economy. Whatever cloth he's cut from isn't of the same standard as a Clinton, Reagan or even a Carter.
Come on. We all used to make jokes about Canadians using Monopoly money - now the Canuck Dollar is worth more than the Yankee Dollar! When I was at university in Oregon during the Clinton presidency, my pound sterling was worth just over a dollar fifty - now it's more than two bucks. I ain't complaining, it's never been as cheap to buy stuff from the US as it is now, but economically you're really f***.
I live here. I dont feel really f***ed except when I plop money down to see an adam sandler flick(I never learn). as a US citizen my opinion counts and I make 43.000 a year which is hardly anything to brag about.
people outside are so concerned with telling americans their money isnt worth much in other countrys. thats not exactly the angle to take with americans as it doesnt mean anything if you truly know americans. first off,I dont know many adverage americans who go over there enough for it to be a serious damage to their bank account.
second when I traveled anywhere I've ALWAYS felt like a spent too much. thats a typical vacation feeling. the aftermath. it all comes down to we dont feel as you or a deschanel thinks we should feel. you WANT us to feel that way cause you dontlike our president and you want us to ...suffer a little because of our vote...I get it..
as far as the other presidents, they didnt have 9/11. regardless of if Iraq was the wrong invasion, make no mistake NONE of the previous preisdents would have just filed a lawsuit.
they would have at least invaded afganistan and who's to say if the jihadist wouldnt just stream in there and the economy would still take a massive hit anyways.
There are good reasons for letting your currency drop : your exports become
cheaper for buyers, so more money comes into the country. Our (Aus) dollar is
rising and exporters are saying that at such and such a point, they loose
their buyers. And this country depends on exports, particularly agriculture.
The West and especially the US has been hassling China to float their currency
for this very reason. Because the Yuan is fixed and low, cheap Chinese goods
are flooding the world. Local industry dies, China booms. So the Chinese resist
floating the Yuan.
So say the US allows the dollar to slip. Chinese goods become more expensive there,
local industry picks up, US exports make more money and voters are happy
until they become tourists.
I am just not sure if they (Bush appointees) are smart enough to have planned it.
Now please stop calling me a socialist.
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glennjridge wrote:I live here. I dont feel really f***ed except when I plop money down to see an adam sandler flick(I never learn). as a US citizen my opinion counts and I make 43.000 a year which is hardly anything to brag about.
people outside are so concerned with telling americans their money isnt worth much in other countrys. thats not exactly the angle to take with americans as it doesnt mean anything if you truly know americans. first off,I dont know many adverage americans who go over there enough for it to be a serious damage to their bank account..
You are right. Doesn't matter what's going on around the world or with the never ending war, we still have the best quality of life. Even with the considered "low income population'; that segment would create envy in other countries, yes, thanks to our tax $$$, but there is no complaining, vacations, plus everything we want.
I was in Canada a month ago, "vacationing for 4 days", the ratio exchange is lower but didn't make a difference at all. Traveler checks back to my bank account, and yes I did a lot of "damage"- it's not as simple as it seems-.
One american journalist (conservative and patriot) whom i respect very much said about his countymen:
tragic flaw in the American character is naivete about the ways of the world, and the absence of a tragic sense of life.
Americans think that inside every person in the world hides an american who should be helped to come out. US citizens are sure that all people in the world envy them and any reproach regard as manifestation of that envy. That is a big mistake, imho.
as I get older its hard to have patience with people who think its civilized to accept the uncivilized elements of this world.
thats not true pacifism or love for peace or strong character, thats just being safe and comfortable in your own little habitat while others are physically persecuted elsewhere. everyone can pretend to be Jr john lennon's running around when your safe.
I've seen how nasty some get on topics on the extermely watered down religion in the west and their imagined "persecution". I dont believe a one of them when they talk about being anti-war.
Black says: 52 percent of Americans favor war with Iran. According to some Russian site.
Your Russian site is full of shit. Americans DO NOT WANT war with Iran, since we're currently busy f*** where we don't belong in the Middle East in two seperate wars already. Also, did you know Putin is vigorously expelling neutral, international election monitors from Russia, in advance of his next power-grab stunt? It's all over the international news, but you won't hear of that in Russia these days. DO check it out.
I don't know if Glenn wants war with Iran, but i'll bet he probably would enjoy a good bomb strike (which means war, btw.).
"they are anti-war until sharia"
No Glenn, unlike you, I believe in America and its strengths and ideals. I don't believe fanaticists in caves will destroy our society here. What kind of patriot are you to think we're so weak?
What WILL destroy us , from within, will be your sorts of people telling us to be afraid, constantly, to give up our rights, give up our liberties, allow us to be spied on and tampered with and accused of abetting the enemy whenever Bush doesn't get his way, like a petulant, evil baby, on EVERYthing.
If you really believe Sharia law is imminent in the United States, you're even more of a gullible retard than I thought. I guess as a fan of Adam Sandler comedies , you're easily gulled anyway.
Keep watching your FOX news, keep being a fool, keep blaming America's abysmal standing in the world on Bill Clinton. That's the status quo from fukcing idiots for the last seven years, and look at the vast human wreckage, as well as how America's good name has been slimed , hijacked to war, torture and indifference.
And you sit on your fat ass and type about war and Sharia coming to America. What a bedwetter. You're on the side of thieves, war profiteers, and lying criminals. Everyone knows this, and like the dinosaurs, your sort is coming to an end. Except dinosaurs didn't have the specter of investigations into their misdeeds. History's going to be a BITCH to your heroes.
glennjridge wrote:as I get older its hard to have patience with people who think its civilized to accept the uncivilized elements of this world.
I don't think it's necessarily that people are willing to accept the uncivilised elements in this world, merely that being overly belligerent is counter-productive. I mean, you can't just bomb seven shades of shit out of Iran and hope that things will instantly get better for the people suffering under that regime. It doesn't work like that, sadly; that's a neocon fantasy.
Deschanel,I dont think sharia law is imminent in the US. I am simply showing that generally people easily can be anti-war until their lifestyle is actually threatened.
nobody knew about nazism until it started spreading.
if they are safe somewhere far away, its far too easy to be a liberal and look on the bright side of the uncivilized cultures...elsewhere.
after all, look at your nasty style of responses to me who like most of america has very watered down religious views no less. you dont know the meaning of the word police state.or religious persecution.you think you do,but you dont.
glennjridge wrote:as I get older its hard to have patience with people who think its civilized to accept the uncivilized elements of this world.
I don't think it's necessarily that people are willing to accept the uncivilised elements in this world, merely that being overly belligerent is counter-productive. I mean, you can't just bomb seven shades of shit out of Iran and hope that things will instantly get better for the people suffering under that regime. It doesn't work like that, sadly; that's a neocon fantasy.
Bombing Iran wouldnt be about making anything better. its just the logical path of karma that Iran has coming back to it thru the years. it was going to happen.
I understand some dont think its fair,whether anyone agree's, people have decided that they dont like the idea of that particular country getting nuclear capabilitys. in response Iran got pretty belligenrant, and in life when you go above the radar you leave yourself at the mercy of the one who has the power.
it happens to be the US. thats the reality of the earth right now.might be an arrogant tone, but thats whats happening here.Iran took the path of wanting nuclear weapons, threatened Israel in the process, and guess what, someone took notice and was given a pretext on a silver platter.
gregf wrote:There are good reasons for letting your currency drop : your exports become
cheaper for buyers, so more money comes into the country. Our (Aus) dollar is
rising and exporters are saying that at such and such a point, they loose
their buyers. And this country depends on exports, particularly agriculture.
The West and especially the US has been hassling China to float their currency
for this very reason. Because the Yuan is fixed and low, cheap Chinese goods
are flooding the world. Local industry dies, China booms. So the Chinese resist
floating the Yuan.
So say the US allows the dollar to slip. Chinese goods become more expensive there,
local industry picks up, US exports make more money and voters are happy
until they become tourists.
I am just not sure if they (Bush appointees) are smart enough to have planned it.
Now please stop calling me a socialist.
we've been having a pretty largescale problem with chinese goods here it seems lately. they appear to be pretty hazardous to your health or your children. its been a flood of recalls it seems. toys, food. yikes.
actually a little while ago I saw an article talking along the lines of what you said in the newyorktimes I think.
