Why is global warming so bloody cold?

[alig]

Anyone looking at anti-GW material should, copy the authors name, paste it into Google,
and check the person out.

If they have been involved with Martin Durkin's documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle,
then be suspicious. This doco is highly discredited. It is full of distortions and the
few good people on it were taken out of context and are now in conflict with the producer.

Also many GW sceptics are funded by Exxon. There are web sites where
you can plug in names and see all the funding Exxon has given them.

Typical is Richard Lindzen who is funded by a front company by Exxon. In the past he was funded through
the same method by the cigarette companies, to say that smoking did not cause cancer.

BTW the word "Climate Change" was made up by Bush's people to deliberately confuse
people into thinking it is a naturally occurring event. The guy who came up with it has
since regretted and admitted it was his invention while working for Bush.

Of course Co2 and temperature were high in the past. But that made large amounts of Earth uninhabitable.

"The great global warming swindle" is still a brilliant documentary, no matter how many times you go on about it having been discredited. The facts in the docu are still cogent and correct.
There are plenty of independent scientists to question GW. Plus, Exxon and any other company has the goddamn right to defend themselves against the allegations from environmental cooks by turning to experts. Besides, since GW liberals are full of crap anyway, their allegations against Lindzen from MIT(!) etc must be taken with a pinch of salt. And quoting wikipedia is a joke! Liberals just love slandering their enemies all the time, be it Lindzen or G W Bush. They need to lie to win. This should give anybody pause.
Btw, what happenened to the hurricanes? Wasn't 2006 and 2007 supposed to be the one of the worst ever?
And like I told you before, CO2 follows temperature changes and not the other way round.
And it was warmer before and it was uninhabitable? Are you kidding me? The warmer it is the more life emerges, just look at the tropical zone. And who or what made the climate warmer? 2000 years ago they were cultivating vines in England!
Finally, anybody with a modicum of common sense realises that the GW theory is just junk science. The evidence just isn't there. And climate models mean nothing as they don't take plenty of factors into account. Models are models and no representation of reality. That's why those models failed to predict the hurricane season correctly. That's why they fail to predict the weather correctly for the next three days. There was supposed to be a storm all across north europe a few weeks ago but in the end nothing happened.
And yet those scientists wanna convince us that they can predict the climate in 100 years? handy, innit? none of them are gonna be around anymore to be held accountable for their blatant lies and distortions. But for the time being, they can secure their research funds and entitlements.
In Brazil and Argentina they're having frost. All across Europe people are freezing to death and the IPCC look like proper fools talking about global baloney. Deservedly so.
Liberals love blaming humans first on everything because they are all on a guilt-trip. In order to atone for their wealth they need to feel guilty about everything. They are so insecure about who they are and what to believe in that they go out of their way to find something to feel sanctimonious about and to suck up to other people by being philanthropists and caring individuals about baseless causes such as GW. There are so many other causes much more worthy than wasting money on a baloney theory far in the future. How about saving people now? How about saving people from malaria by legalizing DDT which was banned without any evidence for merely political reasons. how about giving people in africa access to energy which greenpeace and other enviro nutjobs don't want them to have?
look at this female. she had an abortion in order to save the planet!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/f ... ge_id=1879

and in france they wanna turn the clock back:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/environme ... 4020071121

basically, socialists and liberals want to beat capitalism by making people feel guilty every time they consume. they want to make people stop buying and using energy in order to make the economy collapse and bring about communism. if their remedies didn'tsmack of typical leftwing agendas they'd have more credibility but everything they propose happen
to be from the socialist's playbook.

enlightening read on the "integrity" of the IPCC:
http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?o ... 5&Itemid=1

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2407994295
www.icecap.us
http://www.michaelcrichton.com/speeches.html
www.greatglobalwarmingswindle.co.uk
www.climatepolice.com

[alig]

Also many GW sceptics are funded by Exxon. There are web sites where
you can plug in names and see all the funding Exxon has given them.

Typical is Richard Lindzen who is funded by a front company by Exxon. In the past he was funded through
the same method by the cigarette companies, to say that smoking did not cause cancer.

How many?

You're saying that because richard was wrong on cancer, he's 100% wrong on climate change?

Another myth. There have been health warnings on cigarette packs ever since I can remember. How can anybody come here and say that people were contesting the health risks?

[Danny C]

Another myth. There have been health warnings on cigarette packs ever since I can remember. How can anybody come here and say that people were contesting the health risks?

Christ, how f*** dumb are you? It's well known that the tobacco companies covered up research suggesting smoking was harmful for decades, while claiming that it actually gave you positive health benefits. Nobody even disputes this, not even the tobacco companies.

This astonishingly ill-informed outburst, coupled with your ignorant opinions on global warming, just confirm what a retrograde idiot you are. You hurl accusations around without proof, make no attempt to back them up when challenged (still trying to claim I want to increase taxes?) and now you're openly stating that we're all liars! How and why you get away with this behaviour is beyond me - are you sleeping with the moderators or something?!

Admin, I implore you to ban this worthless trolling cretin. He isn't interested in debating people, just slandering them.

[glennjridge]

apparently doctors recommended Camel

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QdPGeRTuedc

[gregf]

Another myth. There have been health warnings on cigarette packs ever
since I can remember. How can anybody come here and say that people were contesting
the health risks?

Alig..Alig...Alig.

PS I respect your long post, but not up to answering all.

[glennjridge]

but to be fair,its really a tangle eitherway.

I posted that old clip that showed doctors even preffered a certain cig brand kinda hinting that even doctors werent worried back then, showing that fear of smoking is a fairly new thing.

yet even today,when we know how dangerous they are they are STILL made to seem cool thru usage in movies pushed to the young showing that even though some may have this notion that cigs were once thought to be not harmful, alot of times thats simply due to the idea smoking was and is mixed with western culture so much that its harmful effects are ignored and even tied in with manhood and hipness.

I mean,smoke is going into the lungs. I dont care what era your from. did science overrule common sense? surley anyfireman in 1950 could tell you about smoke inhalation.
I see no reason why it wouldnt be pieced together to some extent.

[gregf]

Agreed.

But that fraudster was a hired spokesperson for the cigarette companies, countering the doctors,
when as you say everyone knew it was dangerous.

Today he is a gun for hire countering GW and is even still being paid thru the same front company, this time by Exxon.

And this is a leading "scientist" against GW.

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Our Conservative party is in shock following the election defeat with PM and #2 gone.

There is a chance of the moderates regaining control of the party, which is what I wish for.

[Phillip]

We're all doomed. The world's gonna end. The Sun will explode (in about 4 billion years time) so there's no point in planning. You might as well drive the hell out of it while we still can.

Our only hope is to find another planet & use that like the locusts we are. So you might as well pass me my gun right now...why wait?...BANG

[Deschanel]

Let's say global warming is a total myth and fantasy.

How about POLLUTION?

How about the immense amount of filth and toxic runoff we put into oceans, landfills, the air.

How about the industry of China, using Victorian technology, burning trillions of tons a day- where does that go? Much less a billion of them buying cars?

How about the Brazilian rainforest, "the lungs of the Earth" being gone within ten years?
OXygen comes from plants, you-know- or do you want to dispute that too?

How about extinction of species , land, air and sea?

Are you lot going to deny all this as well? Do you deny that deforestation, extinction, poisoning of the seas is reality as well? How much can you deny that yes, human activity on a vast scale DOES indeed have an effect of the planet?

If you deniers are global warming are right- well good for you. But what if you're wrong?
Why is limiting the massive harm we are in fact doing to the Earth a bad thing?

Sorry, but you're Neanderthal flat-earthers. Forget global warming, we're poisoning the planet in endless other ways. And I'm sure you'll have valid weaselly excuses why this ought to be so.

[Danny C]

OXygen comes from plants, you-know- or do you want to dispute that too?

alig is such a dumb f***, he probably would dispute it.

There is no value in another global warming thread, the holoc.. global warming deniers were soundly trounced in the last one, and this is heading the same way.

[pet shop boy]

We're all doomed. The world's gonna end. The Sun will explode (in about 4 billion years time) so there's no point in planning. You might as well drive the hell out of it while we still can.

700 million years ago when the Sun was 30% less hotter than it is now, this planet froze so much that thick ice covered the ENTIRE planet, it is known as "Snowball Earth".

70 million years later, volcanoe's erupted distributing carbon dioxide that surrounded the planet like a blanket, in a few hundred years our planet warmed up, most of the ice melted and life began again.

[alig]

Agreed.

But that fraudster was a hired spokesperson for the cigarette companies, countering the doctors,
when as you say everyone knew it was dangerous.

Today he is a gun for hire countering GW and is even still being paid thru the same front company, this time by Exxon.

And this is a leading "scientist" against GW.

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Our Conservative party is in shock following the election defeat with PM and #2 gone.

There is a chance of the moderates regaining control of the party, which is what I wish for.

once more: Exxon has ANY right to defend themselves against the enviro wackos' allegations. or do you want them to take all the flack from the left just like that?
and once more: there have always been health warnings on cigarettes. how can you say that they argued against the health hazards? it's typical of leftists lying through their teeth to win. just like leftists lied and tried to rewrite history on the iraq war.
There is NO science supporting GW. It's all bogus! All its predictions are so fuzzy that they cannot be falsified! GW is proven by any outcome and thus it's a meaningless theory without any empirical value. so how are you gonna tell me that it's a scientific theory? it isn't.
They failed to predict the hurricane seasons for both 2006 and 2007 but they wanna predict the climate? are you kidding me!?
and the notion that Exxon gives a damn about the GW propaganda is laughable! You think that people are gonna be comsuming less petrol and oil because of the GW propaganda! you believe that Exxon couldn't easily jack up prices to offset any lower consumption of oil? why don't you just say that cutting CO2 is gonna hurt the economy? that this is what socialists have always been wanting. besides, petrol is gonna give out eventually anyway. whether it gives out in 30 years or 50 doesn't matter to the environment, does it?
greg, get off your western, socialism-induced guilt trip and realize that you have been told porkies by the leftwing nutjobs.

[gregf]

Hey Alig,

Yes. Any company has the right to defend itself. It has the right to attack its
critics if they lie. And that is what we are doing. I like a debate where the truth
can be examined and tested, calmly. To me, its about the facts.

It is true that cig. cos. were running a dis-information campaign.
I can remember it.

I am happy to cover the science, but we would be covering old ground and would not agree.

Some people are trying to use less petrol, but I agree many wont or are not able to afford a Prius.

Of course Exxon cares http://www.exxposeexxon.com/facts/deniers.html
Spending BN$ 23 on dis-information is a lot of caring. Just this week they announced
they are no longer going to fight GW.

Cutting CO2 may hurt the CO2 industries, but not the economy. Mostly what is necessary is to stop building
coal fired power stations. Is that going to hurt the economy that much ? We need to use
new engine/fuel technologies anyhow with oil running out/expense. So just let that happen.
I think your over estimating "harm to the economy".

I think your saying this will be really bad for Western economies, so therefore I
must be a socialist. Hah. Pretty poor logic. Lets compare investment portfolios.

Lastly if GW is true, it will be apparent in hot arid places first. Well guess what.
Aus is a hot arid continent and GW has been obvious here for 10 years. The
rivers are dry and agriculture is collapsing. The dams are empty and we will
soon be drinking de-salinated ocean water. My share of the cost of that plant
is about AU$ 1000 and rising. You want to pay that for me ?

I am sure there will be some re-writing of history. The failure in Iraq was all the fault
of Democrat Liberal guilt ridden socialists. And when GW is obvious to you, you will
blame us or the scientists or something.

Did you see our coal loving, GW denying, neo-con government was routed ?
Pre-view of more to come.

[alig]

gregf,

are you joking? of course it's gonna hurt the economy! it takes capital out of corporations and they have less capital to their disposition. then, coal-fired plants are gonna hurt us because we cannot do without these energy sources. look at africa where greenpeace deny people access to energy in the name of GW. but socialists never knew the first thing about the economy. it's funny how people still defend their harbrained socialst strategies even though everybody knows that they are bound to fail.
face it: there is no global warming. so what if it is arid in australia? it's been bloody cold in europe and south america. you can never show me any kind of weather pattern that never was before. GW is just one big lie and thank god for the "neo-cons". there is nothing more corrurpt than socialists who take other people's money in order to make them dependent on them through welfare. that way they bribe people into voting for them. then come the evil "neo-cons" and want to cut those handouts and the voters are mad at them. so they vote for socialism again.
where is the evidence? it's non-existent. like i told you: if your solutions didn't smack of classical socialism you'd be more credible. but once again, the UN just proposed it's gonna take $86 billion to help people threatened by GW! the same organisation that just admitted to vast exaggerations re AIDS epidemics. and who should foot half of that bill? the US of course! and where's this money gonna end up? nobody knows because the UN is probably the most corrupt organization ever.
and i'm asking you again: what happened to this year's hurricane season? the same scientists failed to predict them a few months in advance but they wanna predict climate in a hundred years time?
there is no manmade GW. and the climate hasn't been warming those past nine years.
weather has always changed and always will be.

[Danny C]

and once more: there have always been health warnings on cigarettes.

Demonstrably not true. You are a liar.

http://www.tobaccofreeqc.org/youth/hist ... obacco.php

1965 Congress passes the Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act requiring the surgeon general's warnings on cigarette packages.


1966 Health warnings on cigarette packages begin.

how can you say that they argued against the health hazards? it's typical of leftists lying through their teeth to win.

Demonstrably not true. You are a liar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/60_Minutes ... Williamson

In 1995, former Brown and Williamson (B&W) Vice President for Research and Development Jeffrey Wigand provided information to 60 Minutes producer Lowell Bergman that B&W had systematically hidden the health risks of their cigarettes.

There is NO science supporting GW. It's all bogus!

Demonstrably not true. You are a liar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergover ... hange_2007

The key conclusions of the SPM were that:

• Warming of the climate system is unequivocal.
• Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (human) greenhouse gas concentrations.
• The probability that this is caused by natural climatic processes alone is less than 5%.

Admin, I ask you again:

HOW MUCH LONGER DO WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH ALIG'S LIES?