Its not insulting to be told you're not liked. Might make you feel sad, or you might not care, but if i told you i disliked you, would you really feel insulted?dVTB wrote: Because heterosexuals, as well as homosexuals, come here to enjoy this forum, rather than being confronted with insults and useless remarks.
So it doesn't matter what words mean, if people say blue is red, then blue is red?gareth wrote: Because it would generally be seen as being wrong - just as homphobia and racism etc etc would be
Should YOU be allowed to dislike hetrosexuals? Should you be allowed to dislike anything or anyone?none of which society (including this forum specifically) sees as acceptable even where freedom of speech is generally held as being in place.
How do you know? Which non homosexual said they disliked homosexuals on here?The reason it isn't mentioned is because a/ it never happens
I decided not to ask dVTB again, but i'll ask you, what is the definition of bigotry?just as it doesn't mention bigotry against people with red cars, or brown hair etc etc.
Why are you being hetrophobicIf you want to be a bigot, whichever way your bigotry is inclined, I suggest you bog off and find a place where bigots gather and slag off as many different strands of society as they can - because it won't be welcome here.
Depends on what basis you dislike me. If you dislike somebody only because he's gay, is Dutch, has blue eyes, blonde hair, or whatever, it's a form of 'phobia', which is not allowed here.pet shop boy wrote:Its not insulting to be told you're not liked. Might make you feel sad, or you might not care, but if i told you i disliked you, would you really feel insulted?
Why are other posted comments of dislike allowed?
If you decide to rephrase me, please do it correctly. I did NOT say there's nothing wrong with homophobia and heterophobia. I think both are VERY wrong. I only told you that you can be as homophobic as you want, as long as you don't post homophobic comments on this forum.pet shop boy wrote:dVTB said theres nothing wrong with homophobia or hetrophobia, just that we havn't got the human right to dislike gays, lesbians or hetrosexuals here, which is a shame. Unless you're bi-sexual, you dislike a sexual act.
LOL. If you doubt the statement ('it never happens') then YOU should show examples that it DOES happen. You are the one who claims that 'heterophobia' should be mentioned in the forum rules, all other members in this discussion try to tell you that it's a non-issue. So I suggest YOU come up with examples.pet shop boy wrote:How do you know? Which non homosexual said they disliked homosexuals on here?The reason it isn't mentioned is because a/ it never happens
I fully agree. If you can't live with the forum rules, you're free to go elsewhere. If you drive your car, you will have to comply with traffic rules. There's no alternative set of roads with different rules. The situation is different for PSB forums. You have many alternatives to pick from, and most of them have LESS moderation than this forum. This Community is the wrong forum for you: leave. There's nothing wrong with admitting that you made a wrong choice to join this forum. I did so as well, in the past. Get over it and find a forum that suits you.If you want to be a bigot, whichever way your bigotry is inclined, I suggest you bog off and find a place where bigots gather and slag off as many different strands of society as they can - because it won't be welcome here.
But its not an insult is it mate.dVTB wrote: Depends on what basis you dislike me. If you dislike somebody only because he's gay, is Dutch, has blue eyes, blonde hair, or whatever, it's a form of 'phobia', which is not allowed here.
I like your posts, they've been educational and written in an adult manner.If you decide to dislike me based on my posts on this forum (some people already do)
So you're saying that NO form of dislike (phobia) against someone is welcome here.This forum also features members I dislike, but my dislike is NOT based on their nationality, sexual orientation, colour of their eyes.
I appologise, sorry, you're so confusing.dVTB wrote: If you decide to rephrase me, please do it correctly. I did NOT say there's nothing wrong with homophobia and heterophobia. I think both are VERY wrong.
Wheres the homophobia?LOL. If you doubt the statement ('it never happens') then YOU should show examples that it DOES happen. You are the one who claims that 'heterophobia' should be mentioned in the forum rules. So I suggest YOU come up with examples.
I can, i just think they can be improved to either protect hetrosexuals, bi-sexuals or all people of all sexual persuasion.If you can't live with the forum rules
Those who show disapproval against you, do so, based on your posts. Not on your nationality, age, etc. There's absolutely nothing wrong with showing that you dislike somebody's comment. But disliking somebody in advance, since he's gay, Finnish, black, or whatever, IS wrong.pet shop boy wrote:So you're saying that NO form of dislike (phobia) against someone is welcome here. What do you think of those who show their dislike in this thread against me? Is it allowed for them?? Seems to be
Strong and unreasonable are oppinionated words, for example, a baby is stronger than a mouse, a teenager is stronger than a baby, thus the baby is weak, and so on, is the baby strong...gareth wrote: Bigot - noun [C] DISAPPROVING
a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong:
ie gareth was known to be a loud-mouthed, opinionated bigot.ie Pet Shop Boy was known to be a loud-mouthed, opinionated bigot.
You speak for everyone? And no they dont, most are scared of people like you telling them off, i will fight your bigotry.So there you go - everyone agrees that your beliefs are unreasonable
To use your logic, you're a bigot cos you think im wrongand as you think that we are all wrong you are, therefore, a bigot.
We're going in circles. You don't seem to understand that Mark Simpson is NOT the owner of this forum. This forum thinks differently about homophobic comments than he does. Just like we think different about racist comments as the KKK does.pet shop boy wrote:Mark Simpson, the GAY man who coined the phrase "metrosexual" said on national TV, that being homophobic is not wrong, its not a bad thing.
Ok - I'm going to bite once more.pet shop boy wrote:Strong and unreasonable are oppinionated words, for example, a baby is stronger than a mouse, a teenager is stronger than a baby, thus the baby is weak, and so on, is the baby strong...gareth wrote: Bigot - noun [C] DISAPPROVING
a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong:
One doctor may say its unreasonale to drink alcohol, another doctor may say alcohol is reasonable in moderation.
No one has the same beliefs as everyone else, that make them a bigot, then were all bigots
ie gareth was known to be a loud-mouthed, opinionated bigot.ie Pet Shop Boy was known to be a loud-mouthed, opinionated bigot.
You speak for everyone? And no they dont, most are scared of people like you telling them off, i will fight your bigotry.So there you go - everyone agrees that your beliefs are unreasonable
To use your logic, you're a bigot cos you think im wrongand as you think that we are all wrong you are, therefore, a bigot.
It is not wrong to dislike someone or something like spiders, therefore being hetrophobic is OK.
Mark Simpson, the GAY man who coined the phrase "metrosexual" said on national TV, that being homophobic is not wrong, its not a bad thing.
Sexual orientation is not something you choose, but something you're born with. People who are heterosexual can't help that, just like gay people can't help being homosexual. I'm very much against judging people on their sexual orientation. It's not relevant for me what the sexual orientation of my favourite artist is. I like them for the music, not for their sex life.pet shop boy wrote:dVTB, besides this forum, in YOUR opinion, what is wrong with hetrophobia?
Can you find someone brave enough to speak out, there probably wishing me all the best secretly. You cannot be so blind as to assume that disliking someone is bad, and because in society were told being homophobic is bad, people are scared to speak up.gareth wrote: Can you find a post in this thread where someone agrees with you?
I asked for your version, which isnt mine. I argued that being the descriptive bigot you gave, isnt bad. And also, you were guilty of being your version of a bigot.You asked for the definition and now you try and argue against it.
Bigotry? Phobic. Ignorance. Intolerance. How do you dare to moralise meRead it again PSB - especially the second part. Take your time and you might understand it - if not, ask an adult who's got the time to explain it.
If you're normal, what is someone who is different to you?At the end of the day though we are normal people and, obviously, have a normal sense of right and wrong.