Illuminati symbolism

[Patrick Bateman]

[whateverman42]

Lol, I'm flattered you'd go to such lengths for lil' ol' me. Ever tried submitting to The Onion before? But I'm not 28, check your facts smearer!

[York Minster]

A couple years ago, I ran across a video on youtube about global warming. A guy was saying there was four possibilities. One was that it was real and we should do something, another that it was real and we don't do anything, another that it was fake and we do something, and finally it was fake and we do nothing. What would be the worst possible scenario? The second, which outweighs the third. Its about preparing for the worst so you don't get caught with your pants down.

I believe some claim (CS Lewis was it?) that this is also why you ought not be an agnostic or atheist, just in case God does exist, and is vengeful, we better submit.

I think I dismiss this issue on three fronts. 1. There are always people in power. Our society and economic system are set up so that there are people with capital who in large part trickle down social structure to those below. I don't think we have to look to masons. Look how corrupt various presidencies have been, such as Grant or Harding or Nixon. Not a shocker.

2. Sh#t doesn't remain a secret for too long. The CIA has fu$ked around in Guatemala, Cuba, D. Republic, Haiti, Congo, et al for the last couple centuries. And the FBI has messed around against the constitution within our borders. But we know about much of these happenings now.

3. I'm a numismatist. Numismatic myths are abundant, and this is just one of many. For some history on the great seal see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Seal ... ted_States

The concern in these worries about power and conspiracy is always power over us. But you can always gain power over yourself. Read philosophy, sociology, law, biology, physics, and get a deep understanding of where the limits of our understanding of humans is. Berger and Luckmann discuss the sociology of knowledge in a book by the name, could be of some help in this area. If you are so much worried about being controlled with in the US or the UK, there are plenty of Waldon pond areas of the world you can go escape to. If you live in a society you have to understand, there will never be equality.

I'm more concerned myself that in the United States, the first amendment is still being contravened. For example, the rights of those under 18.....they don't have any. And why is that? We hold them in a position of slavery. The extended childhood of modern America is sickening to me, especially as I was part of it. But where are those outraged about such issues? There are some, and there have been a handful of good works written about such issues. But it's not sexy. It doesn't sell like freemasons. Even more obvious is the problem of the prison system in America.

Unfortunately, we are not all created equal. We most likely do live in a finite material world, but each persons phenomenological view of it can be vastly different. Even something as simple as how each of us reacts to our biological and social calendar time systems can be experienced very differently. This concerns this issue, and your concern about it whateverman, and it of course involves personal experience of musical culture. In the end, there are no answers to your question. For we don't fully understand humans, we can't fully understand why urban myths OR actual events take place. We have to each make our best judgement. No one here in the forum can really help you with that.

[glennjridge]

I dont take any notice of any supposed illuminati symbolism anymore than a swastika I see spray painted on some wall near a highschool,or pentagrams kids into metal draw on their school notebooks.

its all just stuff people get into for the cool factor to feel they are in on something, or onto something.
as to the origins of the symbol, I'm sure its something pertaining to God somehow.in God we trust and all that.thats the safest bet, as I think it would be a pretty lame secret society that invites curiosity by planting its secret symbol all over town.

[York Minster]

its all just stuff people get into for the cool factor to feel they are in on something, or onto something.
as to the origins of the symbol, I'm sure its something pertaining to God somehow.in God we trust and all that.thats the safest bet, as I think it would be a pretty lame secret society that invites curiosity by planting its secret symbol all over town.

A rare agreement with mr glenn. However, as a note of historical accuracy: In God We Trust antedates the forming of the Great Seal. The very first mention of it is likely the Star Spangled Banner, written during the War of 1812 (and the following years). It appeared first on the two cent piece in 1864, part of the religious fervor of the civil war era. During another era of religiosity in America, the 1950's, it finally made it's way onto paper money. For those who tell you that In God We Trust has nothing to do with "God" the man in the sky, I would ask them to look into the historicity of the matter a bit. People get super excited over "Godless" Presidential dollars when the mint failed to mint the motto onto the edge of the coin. Currently the motto has been moved back to the obverse of the presidential dollars specifically because of such outrage. But as recently as the Buffalo Nickel (which was last struck in 1938), the motto was left out. Does anyone want to buy a super common buffalo nickel for, lets say, 150 dollars, because it's "Godless"?

[York Minster]

Strike that, reverse it: postdate, not antedate

[whateverman42]

What are you going on about?

Why are there so many pyramids in all these facets of the entertainment world? That's all I'm asking. It seems abnormal this relatively underground symbol is lurking in the background in childrens's cartoons, album covers, movies, concerts, etc. etc.

Therefore, do you people think this is coincidence, maybe merely unrelated people having a private smirk, or evidence of something more sinister? Its too easy to simply smirk at legitimate questions, these symbols are prevalent for a reason, and I'm wondering what some explanations could be.



[And because I can never pass on criticism, to FoF, I agree. I don't believe in global warming or 'god' myself, but I used that example for a reason. The flaw with it is that it doesn't take into account common sense or realism. Because weighing evidence and common sense, the worst scenario is actually wasting your life believing in god, not disbelieving in an extremely unlikely god who will smite you. Same for global warming: doing something is actually more harmful than not, because its most likely not real and its being used as an excuse to set up world government.]

[Patrick Bateman]

Well this always disturbed me as a child. Look at the evil glint in his eye behind those thick-rimmed glasses.....

http://www.ukgameshows.com/ukgs/The_Pyramid_Game

[York Minster]

maybe merely unrelated people having a private smirk

You said it, dude. Especially considering your examples are South Park, Family Guy and Simpsons!?!?

There are plenty of secret societies in the world that need to keep their legitimation with the public while also keeping the public at a distance. For example, chiropractors. But it goes back to the Kurt Vonnegut quote, the chiropractors have you believing something specific, and this reverse of the great seal is not semiotically meaningful for almost anyone. When a sign has become detached from an exact meaning, when it's history becomes obsucrant, this type of anxiety about it can occur. Why not get worried about bullsh%t you know is bullsh%t, such as christian science?

[whateverman42]

I'd like to believe that, but its not just a few cartoons. Wide, unrelated fields have their own instances, way too numerous to list. Ultimately, it seems too spread out and common for it to be random, but that's my own judgment.

[glennjridge]

its exactly random and meaningless. know how I know? because companys are owned by different individuals and groups. some republican,some democrat,some liberal,some loners, some hotheads,some arrogant and the idea memos come down to these various company heads asking them to have their various cartoonists to "please insert more pyramids into your cartoons" and they go along with this loony retarded request is stupid beyond belief.

[whateverman42]

Simplifying every thing that requires thinking is stupid beyond belief. Sending memos requiring more pyramids, yeah, its best to give it little thought, because its impossible. It doesn't deserve discussion! Right? It doesn't. Deserve. Discussion. Best to call people stupid for wondering about things that aren't discussed in the mainstream. Am I right or am I right? Is it really hard to believe the super wealthy could get together and have a plan? The media is concentrated into precious few hands, there is evidence of a ruling secret society, there are symbols in a diverse amount of places, so I question. I don't tell or demand, I question.

You know, I like bringing different things up here because I enjoy skepticism, and I like having my ideas challenged. I'm not a forum discussion guy apart from here; I've tried a couple conspiracy forums and they bore me. Seems everyone's trying to one-up everyone else and they're looking for things that probably aren't there. But this the opposite extreme, you'd do well to listen closely to the Carlin video I posted. The parameters of debate are settled before the discussion begins.

Nothing should be out of realm of questioning without resorting to scorn, and on the other side they shouldn't claim any ludicrous belief they want and say its not impossible. I think I strike a balance, yet my reputation here is far from stellar. I've talked about symbols, global warming, JFK and 9/11, and I speak from a largely ignored viewpoint. I don't ascribe to any of these views 100%, because it could be coincidences, but it could also just as easily not. I don't understand the abuse, I really don't. Can someone explain? I'm not flouting the Flying Spaghetti Monster or any made up crap, there is weight behind the arguments.

[Drico One]

Is it really hard to believe the super wealthy could get together and have a plan?

No, but most of us call them the Conservative Party rather than the Freemasons.

Drico.

[York Minster]

there is weight behind the arguments.

You haven't really made an argument. You are just "concerned" about wealthy people in secret.

Is it really hard to believe the super wealthy could get together and have a plan?

Depends. In general, sure, I'm sure this happens. But it's not of major concern. Why? Because most social institutions are developed at some point in the past, and then get solidified in future generations that have no idea of their development. See: religion, sexual identity, the US constitution. So whatever wealthy people do now to control the future, it's the same difference to me as Snoop Dogg coining a new phrase or a butterfly flapping it's wings over in Burma. Until people look into the geneology of ideas and morals, it just doesn't matter.

Furthermore, there is no empirical way to do any research into this issue of drawings in cartoons and other shows. But nor is there for the flying spagetti monster. Looks like you're framing the debate yourself.

[glennjridge]

Simplifying every thing that requires thinking is stupid beyond belief. Sending memos requiring more pyramids, yeah, its best to give it little thought, because its impossible. It doesn't deserve discussion! Right? It doesn't. Deserve. Discussion. Best to call people stupid for wondering about things that aren't discussed in the mainstream. Am I right or am I right? Is it really hard to believe the super wealthy could get together and have a plan? The media is concentrated into precious few hands, there is evidence of a ruling secret society, there are symbols in a diverse amount of places, so I question. I don't tell or demand, I question.

You know, I like bringing different things up here because I enjoy skepticism, and I like having my ideas challenged. I'm not a forum discussion guy apart from here; I've tried a couple conspiracy forums and they bore me. Seems everyone's trying to one-up everyone else and they're looking for things that probably aren't there. But this the opposite extreme, you'd do well to listen closely to the Carlin video I posted. The parameters of debate are settled before the discussion begins.

Nothing should be out of realm of questioning without resorting to scorn, and on the other side they shouldn't claim any ludicrous belief they want and say its not impossible. I think I strike a balance, yet my reputation here is far from stellar. I've talked about symbols, global warming, JFK and 9/11, and I speak from a largely ignored viewpoint. I don't ascribe to any of these views 100%, because it could be coincidences, but it could also just as easily not. I don't understand the abuse, I really don't. Can someone explain? I'm not flouting the Flying Spaghetti Monster or any made up crap, there is weight behind the arguments.

some people with these particular passionate views regarding conspiracys just dont have the ability to stop and at least think about what their saying. they think if one conspiracy makes sense,of course...all the others should. but they dont.

for instance, I wouldnt out of hand call someone who says they think the moon landing was faked by NASA a moron. its far fetched for sure....but its at least in the realm of reason and possibilitys.

asserting pyramids are being inserted into a bunch of cartoons ordered by some shadowy group of rich men is the reason why conspiracy theorists will always be considered strange and proof sometimes... somethings..yes ...are too stupid to disscuss.