Palestine flag flying outside Tower Hamlets Town Hall

[GalataPSB]

Anyone can find evidence on the internet to back up almost any story.



Much of what is being posted on this thread is obvious guff with some appalling photo-shopping going on.

Dinosaurs were there first.

[GalataPSB]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 09016.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... -palestine
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gaza-protests- ... on-1460490

WHO rules BBC?

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/news/how-bbc- ... -hjp8vlodV

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[GalataPSB]

You are like a broken record!!! I don't know Hamas personally(!) but I have certainly read enough about them to know that it is definately justified for them to be classed as a terrorist organisation and their behaviour recently has certainly backed that up and would do for any sane person (or a non Jew hating person that is!). Once again, I ask you why I am a racist. Try giving me a reason rather than just using words, it's very childish and weak and is pretty dumb to be honest. I mean, you must know the old sticks and stones my break my bones but names will never harm me thing? Because that is what this is like. Its playground stuff which is pretty weak really. Try growing up perhaps? Just a thought!

You can insult on me.! It won't change you are ignorant and racist!

[GalataPSB]

Anyone can find evidence on the internet to back up almost any story.



Much of what is being posted on this thread is obvious guff with some appalling photo-shopping going on.

Expect to be called an "ignorant racist" anytime soon by the person that claims to be a fan of peace and love and is also a big fan of the photo shopping you speak of. Doesn't quite make sense does it? But that is religion for you. I mean, Galata believes that immigrants form certain societies in Britain have a right to be hateful and vengeful because of ancient history (that never has anything to do with Muslims at all of course!). And still he will speak of peace and love! Very confusing. The hateful things coming out of his mouth are a sure sign that racism is still very much alive in his religion and probably always will be. God I am happy to not have a "faith" because it stops the hatred.

Lol....





Don't forget Australia and Canada...

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Dinosaurs were there first.

[JSDOUVRES]

You are like a broken record!!! I don't know Hamas personally(!) but I have certainly read enough about them to know that it is definately justified for them to be classed as a terrorist organisation and their behaviour recently has certainly backed that up and would do for any sane person (or a non Jew hating person that is!). Once again, I ask you why I am a racist. Try giving me a reason rather than just using words, it's very childish and weak and is pretty dumb to be honest. I mean, you must know the old sticks and stones my break my bones but names will never harm me thing? Because that is what this is like. Its playground stuff which is pretty weak really. Try growing up perhaps? Just a thought!

You can insult on me.! It won't change you are ignorant and racist!

I would say that you insult me too but the fact is that your accusations are so baseless and ridiculous that I am not insulted at all!

And I am still waiting for any kind of reason for me being racist and ignorant, but like I said before, I think I will have a long wait!

Galata, you are a typical religious type, you preach love and peace but can always come up for reasons for hate and violence validated by your religion of course. But don't worry, every religion is the same as far as I'm concerned which is why religion is the real cause of all the worlds problems and always will be. And you believe in dinosaurs do you? I suppose you should as your way of thinking dates from back then!

[GalataPSB]

I would say that you insult me too but the fact is that your accusations are so baseless and ridiculous that I am not insulted at all!

I have never insulted you. I said "You are racist". yes, you are. (You have problems with muslims/Romans / Russians / Arabs / "you" etc.) Because you are sick and problem. I know You like when I say "jsdouvres is racist"

I said "You are ignorant" Yes you are.. You don't know history, Georgraphy, Hamas, Iran, Islam , Israel, Turks , Arabs, Romans, The Middle-East and "you".

And I am still waiting for any kind of reason for me being racist and ignorant, but like I said before, I think I will have a long wait!

Wait! Wait! You have free - time. But I don't have....

Galata, you are a typical religious type,

Why do you say this? I'm a person. Why do you categorize people as "Religious, Islamists, Ateists, Fundamentalists, Russian, Roman, Black, White, American, British, French, Rich, Poor"? Now, you see why people say "you are racist".

you preach love and peace but can always come up for reasons for hate and violence validated by your religion of course.

you say these for Zionists and Crusaders too.

But don't worry, every religion is the same as far as I'm concerned which is why religion is the real cause of all the worlds problems and always will be.

Yes you say......Why don't you write anything about the crusaders and zionists? What is your problem with muslims? What happend in your childhood? Did you not have a happy childhood?

And you believe in dinosaurs do you? I suppose you should as your way of thinking dates from back then!

What is your problem with dinosaurs? Why do you hate them? Are all ateists the same? Do they hate dinosaurs too? Why do you make propaganda of "Hatred"? Why do you spread "Hatred"? What happened in your childhood? WHO broke your dinosaurs toy when you were a child? Do you believe in Santa Claus? What did he bring as present when you were a child? A dinosaur? Or You wished a dinosaur but He didn't bring..... Shame! As I said before, You need a psychologist. please "GET A LIFE"

[JSDOUVRES]

Galata, I said all religions, yes ALL, do you not understand English???
As for the ancient crusaders (there were Muslim crusaders as well of course and in fact they are still very widespread today!) or "Zionists" as you call them (pathetic racism again!) I really don't know what more I should say. I have already said a lot about all these things but you choose to ignore them which is pretty typical of you. And I don't agree with the word "Atheist" as I find it ridiculous that there should be a name for somebody who does not believe in something which is so obviously false and made up. Most people like me would agree I'm sure. I'm happy for religious people to have a name of course but not somebody who doesn't believe in something that has about as much evidence of actually being real as I do for being from Mars which I absolutely am because I wrote a book about it and got some gullible people to believe it and spread the word. If I offend you with my views on religion then I am very sorry for you. Very sorry indeed and I have absolutely no problem with it as should not you. Maybe I will burn in hell while you get your virgins, oh well, I'll take my chance on that, at least I won't have to hate in this world.

So you believe that I am happy for Crusaders (I imagine you mean ancient crusaders so a little bit late I'd say!) and Zionists to be violent? Erm, I don't think I am and I have never said anything different. You just think that because you think that way that I do and I really do not. Peace means peace to me, no killing and hatred in my peace. And that is because of religion once again and says a lot about you and people with your mentality. It is obvious that you see it as fine for a Muslim to act in a violent way against a Zionist or crusader and I say that you are incredibly hypocritical for that very reason. But you know that yourself.

Another thing is that right now in Africa and the middle east there are Islamists that are killing in the hundreds of thousands and are forcing their religious beliefs onto people in the name of religion, the same religion you believe in actually. I know that you don't see them as Muslims (because it doesn't suit you) but they see it very differently and take their beliefs from the same book as you do so you do have a lot in common with them. Sorry to say that. Once again when it comes to this you are incredibly hypocritical and have such an easy answer to people like them who share your religion.

Last but not least, I'd love to know how much money Turkey and the Mega Rich Arab countries have donated and are donating to charity for humanity causes in Palestine at the moment. So far in Britain it is 6 million pounds and counting which is fantastic. As long as it gets to the people that need it of course. Pretty good for a country you pathetically and racially see as "Zionist".

You are a sad little man with a racist religious agenda that really has no idea what it means to love humankind. But I have no right to apparently, because I am British and therefore a "Crusader and Zionist?????!!!!". Absolutely ridiculous and pathetic. Your attitude worries me a lot.

[GalataPSB]

Galata, I said all religions, yes ALL, do you not understand English???
As for the ancient crusaders (there were Muslim crusaders as well of course and in fact they are still very widespread today!) or "Zionists" as you call them (pathetic racism again!) I really don't know what more I should say. I have already said a lot about all these things but you choose to ignore them which is pretty typical of you. And I don't agree with the word "Atheist" as I find it ridiculous that there should be a name for somebody who does not believe in something which is so obviously false and made up. Most people like me would agree I'm sure. I'm happy for religious people to have a name of course but not somebody who doesn't believe in something that has about as much evidence of actually being real as I do for being from Mars which I absolutely am because I wrote a book about it and got some gullible people to believe it and spread the word. If I offend you with my views on religion then I am very sorry for you. Very sorry indeed and I have absolutely no problem with it as should not you. Maybe I will burn in hell while you get your virgins, oh well, I'll take my chance on that, at least I won't have to hate in this world.

So you believe that I am happy for Crusaders (I imagine you mean ancient crusaders so a little bit late I'd say!) and Zionists to be violent? Erm, I don't think I am and I have never said anything different. You just think that because you think that way that I do and I really do not. Peace means peace to me, no killing and hatred in my peace. And that is because of religion once again and says a lot about you and people with your mentality. It is obvious that you see it as fine for a Muslim to act in a violent way against a Zionist or crusader and I say that you are incredibly hypocritical for that very reason. But you know that yourself.

Another thing is that right now in Africa and the middle east there are Islamists that are killing in the hundreds of thousands and are forcing their religious beliefs onto people in the name of religion, the same religion you believe in actually. I know that you don't see them as Muslims (because it doesn't suit you) but they see it very differently and take their beliefs from the same book as you do so you do have a lot in common with them. Sorry to say that. Once again when it comes to this you are incredibly hypocritical and have such an easy answer to people like them who share your religion.

Last but not least, I'd love to know how much money Turkey and the Mega Rich Arab countries have donated and are donating to charity for humanity causes in Palestine at the moment. So far in Britain it is 6 million pounds and counting which is fantastic. As long as it gets to the people that need it of course. Pretty good for a country you pathetically and racially see as "Zionist".

You are a sad little man with a racist religious agenda that really has no idea what it means to love humankind. But I have no right to apparently, because I am British and therefore a "Crusader and Zionist?????!!!!". Absolutely ridiculous and pathetic. Your attitude worries me a lot.

POINTLESS!

Einstein, I have no time for your stupidity and ignorance!

[JSDOUVRES]

Galata, I said all religions, yes ALL, do you not understand English???
As for the ancient crusaders (there were Muslim crusaders as well of course and in fact they are still very widespread today!) or "Zionists" as you call them (pathetic racism again!) I really don't know what more I should say. I have already said a lot about all these things but you choose to ignore them which is pretty typical of you. And I don't agree with the word "Atheist" as I find it ridiculous that there should be a name for somebody who does not believe in something which is so obviously false and made up. Most people like me would agree I'm sure. I'm happy for religious people to have a name of course but not somebody who doesn't believe in something that has about as much evidence of actually being real as I do for being from Mars which I absolutely am because I wrote a book about it and got some gullible people to believe it and spread the word. If I offend you with my views on religion then I am very sorry for you. Very sorry indeed and I have absolutely no problem with it as should not you. Maybe I will burn in hell while you get your virgins, oh well, I'll take my chance on that, at least I won't have to hate in this world.

So you believe that I am happy for Crusaders (I imagine you mean ancient crusaders so a little bit late I'd say!) and Zionists to be violent? Erm, I don't think I am and I have never said anything different. You just think that because you think that way that I do and I really do not. Peace means peace to me, no killing and hatred in my peace. And that is because of religion once again and says a lot about you and people with your mentality. It is obvious that you see it as fine for a Muslim to act in a violent way against a Zionist or crusader and I say that you are incredibly hypocritical for that very reason. But you know that yourself.

Another thing is that right now in Africa and the middle east there are Islamists that are killing in the hundreds of thousands and are forcing their religious beliefs onto people in the name of religion, the same religion you believe in actually. I know that you don't see them as Muslims (because it doesn't suit you) but they see it very differently and take their beliefs from the same book as you do so you do have a lot in common with them. Sorry to say that. Once again when it comes to this you are incredibly hypocritical and have such an easy answer to people like them who share your religion.

Last but not least, I'd love to know how much money Turkey and the Mega Rich Arab countries have donated and are donating to charity for humanity causes in Palestine at the moment. So far in Britain it is 6 million pounds and counting which is fantastic. As long as it gets to the people that need it of course. Pretty good for a country you pathetically and racially see as "Zionist".

You are a sad little man with a racist religious agenda that really has no idea what it means to love humankind. But I have no right to apparently, because I am British and therefore a "Crusader and Zionist?????!!!!". Absolutely ridiculous and pathetic. Your attitude worries me a lot.

POINTLESS!

Einstein, I have no time for your stupidity and ignorance!

No, more like you have no answer to what I say. Like I said before, it so so easy to call me names and disagree with me but not so easy to actually have a valid argument to anything.

Your pointless post above is an excellent example of that and proves my point very well. Galata, I am happy for you to see me as a racist (although you still don't say why?) but you are much much worse. In fact, you are pure evil in your way of thinking and are so out of touch and out of date it is scary. The Nazis thought like you, but you probably like me saying that for obvious reasons.

[GalataPSB]

No, more like you have no answer to what I say. Like I said before, it so so easy to call me names and disagree with me but not so easy to actually have a valid argument to anything.

Your pointless post above is an excellent example of that and proves my point very well. Galata, I am happy for you to see me as a racist (although you still don't say why?) but you are much much worse. In fact, you are pure evil in your way of thinking and are so out of touch and out of date it is scary. The Nazis thought like you, but you probably like me saying that for obvious reasons.

2x POINTLESS...

[JSDOUVRES]

No, more like you have no answer to what I say. Like I said before, it so so easy to call me names and disagree with me but not so easy to actually have a valid argument to anything.

Your pointless post above is an excellent example of that and proves my point very well. Galata, I am happy for you to see me as a racist (although you still don't say why?) but you are much much worse. In fact, you are pure evil in your way of thinking and are so out of touch and out of date it is scary. The Nazis thought like you, but you probably like me saying that for obvious reasons.

2x POINTLESS...

Sorry, why am I racist again? Because I don't support Muslim terrorists? Or because I don't agree with racism and your racist propaganda?

So how much has Turkey raised to help the victims in Palestine? Or the mega rich Arab (Muslim) countries close by? Is it anti Islamic to raise money to aid victims of war? Or do Muslim countries not actually really give a shit at the end of the day when it comes to the victims? I wonder.........

Another pointless post no doubt. Answering difficult questions aren't your speciality now are they Galata?

[GalataPSB]

Sorry, why am I racist again? Because I don't support Muslim terrorists? Or because I don't agree with racism and your racist propaganda?

You were born to be racist!

So how much has Turkey raised to help the victims in Palestine? Or the mega rich Arab (Muslim) countries close by? Is it anti Islamic to raise money to aid victims of war? Or do Muslim countries not actually really give a shit at the end of the day when it comes to the victims? I wonder.........

http://www.aa.com.tr/en/news/371734--at ... -in-turkey
http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2014 ... ded-gazans
http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_wo ... 55249.html

http://www.timeturk.com/tr/2014/08/12/i ... -tyx8vlodV
(Istanbul Metropolitan Manucipality = 5 million dollars)


http://www.aa.com.tr/tr/turkiye/369783- ... m-toplandi
For Gaza = 6 million dollars

http://www.ensonhaber.com/tikadan-gazze ... 08-13.html

20 Trucks (Foods, medical materials for 16800 families )

etc.


Any questions? No? Now, I have a question. What happened in your childhood?

[GalataPSB]

Are you barking for this? Are you proud of it?

BBC agrees to air Gaza charity appeal only after getting Israel’s permission

The BBC announced Thursday morning that it would broadcast an emergency charity appeal for Gaza Friday — but only after it was reassured that it won’t face censure from the Israeli government for doing so.

This is in stark contrast to 2009, when another Israeli massacre in Gaza was drawing to an end. Then, the BBC, along with Sky, refused to air an appeal from the same body – the Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC) — even though other major television networks, including Channel 4, did so.

The BBC’s then director general, Mark Thompson, said at the time that broadcasting the DEC appeal would breach impartiality guidelines, as funds were being raised for Gaza but not Israel.

He wrote in his BBC blog that the corporation, if it aired the appeal, could be accused of “taking a political stance on an ongoing story.”

So what has changed this time? Why is the BBC no longer afraid of airing the DEC appeal on its radio and television networks?

Regev instrumental

The reason appears to be that the allegedly independent broadcaster has been influenced by recent Israeli announcements that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and therefore feels it can safely broadcast a humanitarian aid appeal.

Speaking on the BBC’s flagship radio news program, Today, this morning, the BBC’s media and arts correspondent, David Sillito, admitted as much.

“Israel has said there is a humanitarian crisis … so it feels as though the issue of impartiality has come to an end,” he told presenter Sarah Montague. “There is no issue of compromising impartiality.”

Montague then asked the obvious question: “So, it’s because of Israel’s admission that it’s a humanitarian crisis?”

Sillito replied: “It seems to have been a key part of it. [Israeli government spokesperson] Mark Regev, making a statement on Friday, talking about a humanitarian window, a humanitarian crisis, seems to have been instrumental.”

It’s a disturbing admission by the BBC that it feels it has been given permission by Israel to run the appeal — the same appeal it was too afraid to run five years ago because no such implicit permission had been given.

Loyalties called into question

The publicly funded corporation’s dependence on what Israel says and how this dependence influences its decision making process is of serious concern.

In 2009, an astounding 40,000 members of the licence fee-paying public complained to the BBC about its refusal to air the DEC appeal. The then Labour government also felt the wrong decision had been made, as did many BBC journalists.

However, a fear of not being “fair” to Israel (which was at the time in the process of slaughtering 1,400 Palestinians in Gaza) seems to have been the clinching factor for senior BBC management, raising questions about where loyalties at the top lie.

And even now, as it prepares to broadcast the appeal tomorrow on Radio 4 and BBC One, the BBC is thought to be preparing its own version of the appeal rather than taking the version offered by DEC.

It will be interesting to see if, even in a charity appeal, the BBC will strive, in its version, to show a “balance” between the effects of heavy duty Israeli bombing and shelling in Gaza and the results of Palestinian rocket fire into Israel.

The “balance,” of course, will be entirely false, as nothing caused by Palestinian rocket fire can compare to what Israel has wrought in Gaza, but it will be aimed at keeping the Israeli government happy.

Sillito’s further comments on this morning’s Today program reveal how desperately the BBC aims for that false balance in its reporting on Gaza, rather than simply showing the situation as it is.

Explaining why the BBC didn’t run the DEC appeal in 2009, he said that “making an appeal, talking in plain facts about a humanitarian crisis, it would look as though they [the BBC and Sky] were taking sides in what was an ongoing news story.”

Sorry state of affairs

It’s extraordinary that a news organisation can think that “talking in plain facts,” (in other words, telling the unvarnished truth about Israel’s carnage in Gaza) is somehow taking the Palestinian “side.” It’s not; giving “plain facts” is just straightforward journalism, devoid of the tortured fear apparent in the BBC’s reporting of the occupation.

This week, Israel is on a PR drive, now that its daily slaughter of Palestinians has abated. It is trying to present itself in humanitarian terms, professing concern for the crisis situation in Gaza.

In its daily media briefing yesterday, the British Israel Communications and Research Centre, included a story headlined “Israel shifts focus onto humanitarian aid effort.”

The article quotes the Israeli army’s chief of staff Benny Gantz saying: “Now we must help rehabilitate Gaza … we will help, not out of any strategic considerations, but from humanitarian ones.”

The offensive irony of this PR strategy should be jumped on and pulled to pieces by serious journalists at the BBC.

Instead, we have Sillito on Today meekly saying that the BBC can run a charity appeal because, “Now it’s felt that there is no doubt or debate about this … Israel has said there is a humanitarian crisis.”

The compliance implicit in this statement is appalling.

Why isn’t the BBC challenging Israeli spokespeople over their alleged concerns, confronting them with the “plain facts” that Israel created the crisis, not just with its out-of-control onslaught of the last four weeks, but with its medieval blockade and ongoing occupation? Why aren’t BBC journalists asking the Israeli government why it’s not bearing the cost of reconstruction in Gaza, instead of submissively accepting its tacit permission to broadcast a charity appeal?

And if Israel hadn’t “said so,” would the UN or DEC statements of a humanitarian crisis been enough to dispel the BBC’s doubts about the existence of a human tragedy in Gaza? Highly unlikely.

It is the Israeli viewpoint that appears to be elevated above all others at the BBC.

The DEC appeals for Gaza in 2009 and now in 2014 have helped to expose the sorry state of affairs at the BBC when it comes to Israel. The fear of Israeli censure if BBC journalists report the “plain facts” has been laid bare for all to see, as has the craven need for Israeli approval in its broadcasts about Gaza and the occupation. At the BBC, it seems, if Israel doesn’t “say so,” then neither will our public broadcaster.

[JSDOUVRES]

Galata, Hamas are terrorists (not "freedom fighters") and only racists like you see that differently.

The BBC and Britain have to be as impartial as can possibly be, just as Israel and Israeli TV would have to be to Britain if Britain was fired at by terrorists and responded with military force like Israel has done.

Lets be clear about this, If Hamas were not firing rockets into Israel and were not killing its people (the murder of 3 soldiers was one of the things that started this) then this would not have happened. And Hamas using civilians as human shields may be OK to you but is the reason so many have died in Palestine which is tragic of course but Hamas must be made liable for this.

I stand by my beliefs that any country fired on by terrorists would respond with force to defend itself, Hamas know what they are doing but refuse to stop firing into Israel (they don't care about innocent people dying), I know that Turkey would respond with force as would any country and you know that too. Hamas must stop firing rockets into Israel because until that time this horrible war will not end.

Galata, you see this from a religious point of view and to say you are bias is an understatement, I see this from a human point of view and see it as tragic that innocent people are being killed due to the activity of terrorists once again.

Oh and I was born to be racist was I? Once again a non answer. You actually have no idea do you?

[StevePSB]

Enough now.


StevePSB