So close yet so farJSDOUVRES wrote:Well, my attitude is to stick to what I believe and I won't change that, but you are right in the fact that I react to provocation which is silly and which I shouldn't because there are some obvious wind up merchants here.james23_uk wrote:BugBoy wrote:When will the penny drop that it's not the subject, it's your attitude, that deters people from commenting.
But we have the right to discuss what we want here and some people have to accept that we all have different opinions. Plain and simple. And people do comment but normally the subject matter is avoided which is a shame.
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It's OK Galata, at least you know that nobody will ever question yourself (except for me) because of the fear of offending you or your religion.GalataPSB wrote:raggatwin wrote:You don't know how to discuss. ...gregf wrote:I do not see here, on this forum, 50 page fulls, of hate written by Muslims against the West.
I do see here, in this place, 50 pages inciting hatred of Muslims.
This is not a political discussion problem.
It is planned and deliberate racism for a political purpose.
Just as it always has been.
It is shameful that the PSB forum is a participant.StevePSB wrote:You're not sorry if it offends anyone though are you? Just more and more hatred. You're the Daily Mail personified, and shameless is what you are.
No one on the forum wants to be force fed this stuff over and over. We can all read the news on the internet, in newspapers and watch it on TV and make our own minds up, so who are you preaching to and what is the point? You're convincing no-one, pissing off many, and poisoning the forum. Please stop.
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And whom can I offend by posting comments on something which is very real and something that we should be able to talk about without problems but obviously cannot because of this ridiculous fear of offending terrorists and their supporters. And how is it about hatred? It is the exact opposite but being something you choose not to like to speak about you clearly don't see it as that do you? And offensive to people? Sorry, but the only people that could possibly get offended by me are people whom support the kind of lifestyle currently shared by ISIS. Unless you would like to correct me on that?StevePSB wrote:You're not sorry if it offends anyone though are you? Just more and more hatred. You're the Daily Mail personified, and shameless is what you are.
No one on the forum wants to be force fed this stuff over and over. We can all read the news on the internet, in newspapers and watch it on TV and make our own minds up, so who are you preaching to and what is the point? You're convincing no-one, pissing off many, and poisoning the forum. Please stop.
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How am I poisoning the forum? What are you talking about? And the thing I am preaching is the threat to peace and freedom that I see as incredibly important in my country but I can see that it is something taken for granted by many others here whom pretend that everything is just fantastic when we can clearly see that a lot needs to be done. I am not trying to "convince" anybody, just trying to discuss the things that are very real and trying to get other people's views on it. And for the record (I should not have to say this but will do to please the haters!) I have absolutely nothing whatsoever against anybody of any religion that does not preach hatred and whom does not judge me because of my non religious beliefs. I passionately hate anybody that preaches hatred of any kind and I see things going on which are a serious threat and disgrace to my country and with this being a free country (or at least I thought it was) I think that it is good that I am able to discuss as such and also very important that I can do so. If you are a fan of people demonstrating on the streets of Britain in favour of terrorist organisations even bearing their flags then I beg to differ and I am really sorry for you if you find that "offensive".
I'd like to know from people exactly how I offend you and why. Rather than just be accused of such all the time because I obviously don't get it.
And as for me apparently being a Daily Mail fan, well, maybe you are in favour of the free press being banned? I certainly am not and without them a lot of things would be conveniently hidden which I can see would please a lot of people on here for sure because the BBC certainly don't have a lot of freedom now do they? And why? Because of fear of "offending" people like there are on this very forum whom like to pretend certain things don't go on when they actually do. All I do is try to discuss things which should be easy and like I have said many times, if you don't want to discuss the things I do then ignore the topic, just like you ignore the Daily Mail etc. Just don't kid yourself that the press you do read is telling you the whole story because you will find that you really only read what you want to. I do post the stories I have from other sites now though just to show the haters that they are very real.
Anyway, I don't like my freedom being questioned with ridiculous and false accusations of "offending" people and of spreading hatred and I'd like to know exactly where I have posted anything to do with that but you will find it difficult. I can't believe that we live in an age where speaking out against terrorists and murderers is seen as "hatred", that is really quite shocking now isn't it?
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What a pity! You are still instulting. You will never understand. Raggatwin is right!JSDOUVRES wrote: It's OK Galata, at least you know that nobody will ever question yourself (except for me) because of the fear of offending you or your religion.
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A brilliant example of the kind of attitude we are seeing on this very website. Lets pretend it doesn't happen and not discuss it because of a fear or "insulting" somebody, or in this case the fear of being "racist". That, it seems is much more important than the 1,600 (at least) victims of terrible, terrible abuse including children being doused in petrol and told they would be next if they told anybody as well as being forced to view brutal rapes with the same threat. And whom were the main culprits? I would say if I thought I had the human right to but to people on here I absolutely DO NOT.
But hey, shhhhhhhh, we might insult the evil and disgusting rapists so lets pretend it never happened and move on...................
Oh, if your child was one of the victims I'd like to see how you felt then, but that's just me being stupid now isn't it?????
A brilliant example of the kind of attitude we are seeing on this very website. Lets pretend it doesn't happen and not discuss it because of a fear or "insulting" somebody, or in this case the fear of being "racist". That, it seems is much more important than the 1,600 (at least) victims of terrible, terrible abuse including children being doused in petrol and told they would be next if they told anybody as well as being forced to view brutal rapes with the same threat. And whom were the main culprits? I would say if I thought I had the human right to but to people on here I absolutely DO NOT.
But hey, shhhhhhhh, we might insult the evil and disgusting rapists so lets pretend it never happened and move on...................
Oh, if your child was one of the victims I'd like to see how you felt then, but that's just me being stupid now isn't it?????
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Trying to silence me raggatwin? Do I offend you by posting about such things? Should we do as has been done for many years now and play the silent game as to not risk offending anybody? Is that what you want? Because the abused children certainly didn't want that and are now scarred for life because of people's cowardly actions. And lets get things absolutely straight here, if it was British white men abusing Muslim Children this would never ever have happened and would have caused deadly riots all over Britain. But everybody knows that. One rule for some, another for others. But shhhhhh, wouldn't want people to think we could be "racist" now would we??? Poor poor children.raggatwin wrote:
Anyway raggatwin, I thought that you were not going to post here anymore anyway because of the fact that you don't like people disagreeing with you? Seems I am wrong. Any actual opinions on this story or are you worried to offend people as it doesn't just involve British white people and so for people of your mindset is usually a big no no?
And I am not trying to start arguments, just telling it as it is. Fear rules our country now and I see it here everyday. And it is seen as perfectly normal and acceptable to have a go at me for having an opinion while the actual topic is totally ignored.
A quote from the BBC article (Also on the Daily Mail website, but hey wouldn't want to post from there now would I?)
"The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' description of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men."
Note the word "fears". Just like we see here. I am obviously not allowed to or am not supposed to post such things am I? Not according to some of the abuse I have to take anyway. Absolutely scandalous. Nobody has a right to commit crimes in my book, no matter what race or religion they are, and until we treat everybody the same things will only get worse.
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I still fail to see the point in why you demand everyone to 'discuss' this on here? What does it acheive, what IS the point of these threads existing in this forum, who are you preaching to? In the name of God please explain to the forum why!
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You, Sir, are completely mad.JSDOUVRES wrote:
Trying to silence me raggatwin? Do I offend you by posting about such things? Should we do as has been done for many years now and play the silent game as to not risk offending anybody? Is that what you want? Because the abused children certainly didn't want that and are now scarred for life because of people's cowardly actions. And lets get things absolutely straight here, if it was British white men abusing Muslim Children this would never ever have happened and would have caused deadly riots all over Britain. But everybody knows that. One rule for some, another for others. But shhhhhh, wouldn't want people to think we could be "racist" now would we??? Poor poor children.
Anyway raggatwin, I thought that you were not going to post here anymore anyway because of the fact that you don't like people disagreeing with you? Seems I am wrong. Any actual opinions on this story or are you worried to offend people as it doesn't just involve British white people and so for people of your mindset is usually a big no no?
And I am not trying to start arguments, just telling it as it is. Fear rules our country now and I see it here everyday. And it is seen as perfectly normal and acceptable to have a go at me for having an opinion while the actual topic is totally ignored.
A quote from the BBC article (Also on the Daily Mail website, but hey wouldn't want to post from there now would I?)
"The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' description of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men."
Note the word "fears". Just like we see here. I am obviously not allowed to or am not supposed to post such things am I? Not according to some of the abuse I have to take anyway. Absolutely scandalous. Nobody has a right to commit crimes in my book, no matter what race or religion they are, and until we treat everybody the same things will only get worse.
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I'vw got some stats on sex offences by ethnicity, I might post them later and see if our 'accountant' can interpret them.....
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I do not demand that everybody discuss things. Wjen have I ever done that? My problem is people telling me I have no right to discuss things. That is my point and it is obvious. If you don't want to discuss something of course you don't have to so don't, but telling me I am not allowed is just plain madness. Don't post if something doesn't interest you. Is it really that complicated????BugBoy wrote:I still fail to see the point in why you demand everyone to 'discuss' this on here? What does it acheive, what IS the point of these threads existing in this forum, who are you preaching to? In the name of God please explain to the forum why!
And I am preaching to nobody, I am just giving an opinion. Why does it bother you so much? If it does not interest you then ignore the thread. It's really not difficult is it????
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I am sure you have, and as in Britain British white make up 87% of the population and Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigrants 2.6% then White British sex offenders and paedophiles will be a higher number, I don't doubt that but when it comes to percentages of their ethnic group sex offending though things will have a very different and scary result.raggatwin wrote:I'vw got some stats on sex offences by ethnicity, I might post them later and see if our 'accountant' can interpret them.....
But anyway raggatwin, why is it that you are obsessed by the ethnicity of these offenders? We are talking about a situation here where well over a thousand children were allowed to be abused because of a fear of exposing specifically that. Surely all you are doing is proving that point by wanting to post stats on sex offenses by ethnicity? And do you believe that if the offenders in Rotherham were White British that they would have been able to continue like they did? Because without doubt they would not have, this case is as much about fear of being labelled racist (Just like I am, surprise surprise!) as anything else. Rape and violence being allowed to continue because of fear. To me that is a very serious and horrible thing that should be discussed. But to some people it seems not that serious and something that should be pushed under the carpet. I don't feel like that though and believe we should all be free to discuss such things. Just my opinion. Sorry if you can't accept that but I really don't care.
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Is that all you can say? Why am I mad then? What don't you agree with? Do I not have the right to a point of view and a voice? I am sure you will agree that I do, and I am sure you will agree to that if a post by me or a topic I am involved in doesn't interest you then the best thing for you to do is to ignore it. Or are you incapable of that?james23_uk wrote:You, Sir, are completely mad.JSDOUVRES wrote:
Trying to silence me raggatwin? Do I offend you by posting about such things? Should we do as has been done for many years now and play the silent game as to not risk offending anybody? Is that what you want? Because the abused children certainly didn't want that and are now scarred for life because of people's cowardly actions. And lets get things absolutely straight here, if it was British white men abusing Muslim Children this would never ever have happened and would have caused deadly riots all over Britain. But everybody knows that. One rule for some, another for others. But shhhhhh, wouldn't want people to think we could be "racist" now would we??? Poor poor children.
Anyway raggatwin, I thought that you were not going to post here anymore anyway because of the fact that you don't like people disagreeing with you? Seems I am wrong. Any actual opinions on this story or are you worried to offend people as it doesn't just involve British white people and so for people of your mindset is usually a big no no?
And I am not trying to start arguments, just telling it as it is. Fear rules our country now and I see it here everyday. And it is seen as perfectly normal and acceptable to have a go at me for having an opinion while the actual topic is totally ignored.
A quote from the BBC article (Also on the Daily Mail website, but hey wouldn't want to post from there now would I?)
"The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' description of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men."
Note the word "fears". Just like we see here. I am obviously not allowed to or am not supposed to post such things am I? Not according to some of the abuse I have to take anyway. Absolutely scandalous. Nobody has a right to commit crimes in my book, no matter what race or religion they are, and until we treat everybody the same things will only get worse.
I don't mind being called mad but I'd like to know why. People have a lot to say on here without ever actually saying anything. It is quite amusing actually.
