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Re: The curse strikes again...

#61 Post by jasonjohn »

Vintage Youth wrote: Thu 19 Sep 2024, 10:06 am Yoinks, too late, we've been rumbled:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/09/ ... ion-blues/
"Pets have likely succumbed to the mind-virus conformity that has infected so many progressives"

OMFG is this not the most tedious PSB opinion piece ever?
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petshopgrrl wrote: Thu 19 Sep 2024, 5:01 am
Gabby wrote: Wed 18 Sep 2024, 1:49 pm BFN (hang on! That means something else) won't see the light of day as a single. Maybe a remix, and we'll have the demo soon too, but I think given the current state of affairs the PSB wouldn't want to be seen to be adding fuel to the fire.
Yoinks, too late, we've been rumbled:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/09/ ... ion-blues/
Wow, that's one of the worst things I've ever read. And I used to have to read The Sun every day.

Very much 'Will This Do?' by Phil Space.

And dafuq does any of it have to do with Morrissey???

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I some respects I have to agree with the piece - PSB have become a little too obsessed with matters outside of their political wheelhouse. Where are the biting songs about Conservative Britain for the past XXX years - BOJO, Brexit (Schlager probably is that song I suppose), Parties during lockdown, political scandals?

Some of Neil's best stuff was on Thatcher and Tony Blair but still UK-centric. I understand why he feels strongly about Trump and Putin, and they've made it clear in texts how they feel about Brexit and Europe, but it doesn't seem to be reflected in their songs so much now.

I'm sure someone will prove me wrong and pull at least 10 examples off the top of their heads now.

Overall though I do NOT agree with this opinion piece. It's pretty clear what Neil's saying in BFN, and Morrissey doesn't factor into any of it.

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Gabby wrote: Thu 19 Sep 2024, 2:32 pm I some respects I have to agree with the piece - PSB have become a little too obsessed with matters outside of their political wheelhouse. Where are the biting songs about Conservative Britain for the past XXX years - BOJO, Brexit (Schlager probably is that song I suppose), Parties during lockdown, political scandals?

Some of Neil's best stuff was on Thatcher and Tony Blair but still UK-centric. I understand why he feels strongly about Trump and Putin, and they've made it clear in texts how they feel about Brexit and Europe, but it doesn't seem to be reflected in their songs so much now.

I'm sure someone will prove me wrong and pull at least 10 examples off the top of their heads now.

Overall though I do NOT agree with this opinion piece. It's pretty clear what Neil's saying in BFN, and Morrissey doesn't factor into any of it.
Well, UK-centric when UK mattered and when PSB hadn't become an international group at the level they are now.
TBH Trump and Putin are such enormous threats to the current world order that they indeed warrant lyrics by one of our finest contemporary "rock/pop poets" .
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Vintage Youth wrote: Thu 19 Sep 2024, 10:06 am Wow, that's one of the worst things I've ever read. And I used to have to read The Sun every day.

Very much 'Will This Do?' by Phil Space.

And dafuq does any of it have to do with Morrissey???
After reading this, the Super Soaraway Sun might make a pleasing brain floss. The Mozza connection is from the writer's previous article about the "Loneliness" single and Nonetheless in general, in which he postulated that BFN was about "a song that may be about Morrissey weathering cancel culture". Talk about missing your mark! :eh:
Gabby wrote: Thu 19 Sep 2024, 2:32 pm Some of Neil's best stuff was on Thatcher and Tony Blair but still UK-centric. I understand why he feels strongly about Trump and Putin, and they've made it clear in texts how they feel about Brexit and Europe, but it doesn't seem to be reflected in their songs so much now.

I'm sure someone will prove me wrong and pull at least 10 examples off the top of their heads now.
I don't really get a political vibe out of anything in the Price trilogy, except maybe "Last to Die", and Hotspot feels like "Nope, we're getting outta here!", but...the Agenda and Lost EPs would like a word... :lol:
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petshopgrrl wrote: Fri 20 Sep 2024, 12:36 am
I don't really get a political vibe out of anything in the Price trilogy, except maybe "Last to Die", and Hotspot feels like "Nope, we're getting outta here!", but...the Agenda and Lost EPs would like a word... :lol:
Well... there's a lot of political vibe in the Price trilogy:
Dictator Decides (Trump/North Korea/Syria)
20 Something, Happy People, I Don't Wanna (struggles of modern youth and paretns in age of greed and ego and pressure to always perform, produce and deliver in all instances of daily life)
Sad Robot World
Burning The Heather (victim of extremist propaganda going out in the real world)
Hoping For a Miracle (Blair)
Love .... Construct (Ironic comment á la Opportunities)
Into Thin Air (perhaps about political/armed conflict refugees)
Dreamland (the refugee issue)

And the b-sides:
Auf Wiedersehen
The Dead Can Dance
Get It Online
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petshopgrrl wrote: Fri 20 Sep 2024, 12:36 am
After reading this, the Super Soaraway Sun might make a pleasing brain floss. The Mozza connection is from the writer's previous article about the "Loneliness" single and Nonetheless in general, in which he postulated that BFN was about "a song that may be about Morrissey weathering cancel culture". Talk about missing your mark! :eh:

Bless him. When I was about 15, I thought everything in the world had some direct connection to Morrissey too. Then I grew up.

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telys wrote: Fri 20 Sep 2024, 8:22 am
petshopgrrl wrote: Fri 20 Sep 2024, 12:36 am
I don't really get a political vibe out of anything in the Price trilogy, except maybe "Last to Die", and Hotspot feels like "Nope, we're getting outta here!", but...the Agenda and Lost EPs would like a word... :lol:
Well... there's a lot of political vibe in the Price trilogy:
Dictator Decides (Trump/North Korea/Syria)
20 Something, Happy People, I Don't Wanna (struggles of modern youth and paretns in age of greed and ego and pressure to always perform, produce and deliver in all instances of daily life)
Sad Robot World
Burning The Heather (victim of extremist propaganda going out in the real world)
Hoping For a Miracle (Blair)
Love .... Construct (Ironic comment á la Opportunities)
Into Thin Air (perhaps about political/armed conflict refugees)
Dreamland (the refugee issue)

And the b-sides:
Auf Wiedersehen
The Dead Can Dance
Get It Online
Oh duh, of course... I should really not post when tired. Some of these I'd consider social commentary more than outright political but they both impact each other, I suppose.

Interesting take on Burning The Heather - I saw that one as small-town black sheep with a bad reputation exacerbated by vicious gossip but I guess "extremist propaganda" works as well! The Boys' cancel culture song?
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Luckily, law enforcement has eyes in the back of their heads looking for anything suspicious. Also dubious if this was an actual attempt, not just another Sunday Gunday Funday for the perp in question.
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petshopgrrl wrote: Fri 20 Sep 2024, 5:21 pm
telys wrote: Fri 20 Sep 2024, 8:22 am
petshopgrrl wrote: Fri 20 Sep 2024, 12:36 am
I don't really get a political vibe out of anything in the Price trilogy, except maybe "Last to Die", and Hotspot feels like "Nope, we're getting outta here!", but...the Agenda and Lost EPs would like a word... :lol:
Well... there's a lot of political vibe in the Price trilogy:
Dictator Decides (Trump/North Korea/Syria)
20 Something, Happy People, I Don't Wanna (struggles of modern youth and paretns in age of greed and ego and pressure to always perform, produce and deliver in all instances of daily life)
Sad Robot World
Burning The Heather (victim of extremist propaganda going out in the real world)
Hoping For a Miracle (Blair)
Love .... Construct (Ironic comment á la Opportunities)
Into Thin Air (perhaps about political/armed conflict refugees)
Dreamland (the refugee issue)

And the b-sides:
Auf Wiedersehen
The Dead Can Dance
Get It Online
Oh duh, of course... I should really not post when tired. Some of these I'd consider social commentary more than outright political but they both impact each other, I suppose.

Interesting take on Burning The Heather - I saw that one as small-town black sheep with a bad reputation exacerbated by vicious gossip but I guess "extremist propaganda" works as well! The Boys' cancel culture song?
By "victim of extremist propaganda" I mean somebody who has read too much of it and has had his/hers mind changed into that of an extremist as well (whilst on social media).
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I went to Cyprus last week (from UK) to visit my son for his 1st birthday. On the first day I played the Left to my own devices advert to my wife - she instantly recognised the track - off course. On my last day she stabbed me in the back and terminated our relationship. Now I’ve lost the kid. Ironically I’m going to an 80s night this Friday, maybe I’ll request…..

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Leonidas wrote: Mon 21 Oct 2024, 8:51 pm I went to Cyprus last week (from UK) to visit my son for his 1st birthday. On the first day I played the Left to my own devices advert to my wife - she instantly recognised the track - off course. On my last day she stabbed me in the back and terminated our relationship. Now I’ve lost the kid. Ironically I’m going to an 80s night this Friday, maybe I’ll request…..
Oh man, that's rough. I'm sorry to hear that.
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petshopgrrl wrote: Tue 22 Oct 2024, 5:22 am
Leonidas wrote: Mon 21 Oct 2024, 8:51 pm I went to Cyprus last week (from UK) to visit my son for his 1st birthday. On the first day I played the Left to my own devices advert to my wife - she instantly recognised the track - off course. On my last day she stabbed me in the back and terminated our relationship. Now I’ve lost the kid. Ironically I’m going to an 80s night this Friday, maybe I’ll request…..
Oh man, that's rough. I'm sorry to hear that.
Me too. I was sort of hoping that was a joke of some kind tbh. Two sides to every story, I know, but even still, what kind of f'ed up mind does that to their partner?

Friday night could be a lot more fun now though :wink:

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Gabby wrote: Tue 22 Oct 2024, 12:13 pm
petshopgrrl wrote: Tue 22 Oct 2024, 5:22 am
Leonidas wrote: Mon 21 Oct 2024, 8:51 pm I went to Cyprus last week (from UK) to visit my son for his 1st birthday. On the first day I played the Left to my own devices advert to my wife - she instantly recognised the track - off course. On my last day she stabbed me in the back and terminated our relationship. Now I’ve lost the kid. Ironically I’m going to an 80s night this Friday, maybe I’ll request…..
Oh man, that's rough. I'm sorry to hear that.
Me too. I was sort of hoping that was a joke of some kind tbh. Two sides to every story, I know, but even still, what kind of f'ed up mind does that to their partner?

Friday night could be a lot more fun now though :wink:
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