Drico One wrote: Thu 27 Nov 2025, 6:22 pmAh yes, the fifth number one that never was, vetoed by Chris. Probably for the best, really.
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Track-by-Track: From Please to Nonetheless
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There is beauty in ugliness and ugliness in beauty.
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Did it, though? They seem pretty confident until the Nightlife tour, when Neil suggested to Chris they pack it in. Release sees them in full devil-may-care mode, and neither Neil nor Chris seem bothered by the group's identity even during that period.markus wrote: Thu 27 Nov 2025, 9:01 amThis moment of catharsis, however, also triggered an identity crisis within the band that continued through much of the following decade.
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Haha, damn! The tracks were mentioned so I got somehow confused. I'll change my post so the discussion can continue in the right order again.
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I remember an interview after Nightlife where they hinted they might eventually morph into something unrecognisable. With their main focus on writing musicals at the time, the decision to present themselves to the public as a kind of budget Lennon/McCartney wasn't exactlty warmly welcomed. The album flopped adding to several years of various setbacks.NotInvisible wrote: Thu 27 Nov 2025, 10:14 pmDid it, though? They seem pretty confident until the Nightlife tour, when Neil suggested to Chris they pack it in. Release sees them in full devil-may-care mode, and neither Neil nor Chris seem bothered by the group's identity even during that period.markus wrote: Thu 27 Nov 2025, 9:01 amThis moment of catharsis, however, also triggered an identity crisis within the band that continued through much of the following decade.
The album title Fundamental suggested they finally found home, the album cover also aesthetically looking a bit like in the beginning.
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Can we move this along please? I want to get to where they start being rubbish.
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Drico will save the day. He's able to find substance in a dead rat.
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Oh, Home and dry is a few albums ahead yet...markus wrote: Thu 04 Dec 2025, 7:29 pm Drico will save the day. He's able to find substance in a dead rat.
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Track 72: "Young Offender"
Very: Further Listening, CD1, Track 10
Ok, hide your kids.
Young offender deals with a situation I might know something about. It’s an honest look at the bad feelings and unfairness in the gay world.
When I was young, older men would try to talk to me in clubs, always telling the same old stories about the 70s "when disco came to town" When you're young it's easy to riducule that sort of behaviour. In this song Neil has been caght trying to get close to someone much younger, then in vain tries to lecture the person after already giving him the upper hand.
The song is a warning: getting older is tough for everyone, but in a scene that loves youth, it can be a real disaster.
Very: Further Listening, CD1, Track 10
Ok, hide your kids.
Young offender deals with a situation I might know something about. It’s an honest look at the bad feelings and unfairness in the gay world.
When I was young, older men would try to talk to me in clubs, always telling the same old stories about the 70s "when disco came to town" When you're young it's easy to riducule that sort of behaviour. In this song Neil has been caght trying to get close to someone much younger, then in vain tries to lecture the person after already giving him the upper hand.
The song is a warning: getting older is tough for everyone, but in a scene that loves youth, it can be a real disaster.
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New Order had a track with the same title on Republic, didn't they?
Stephen Fry's go-to karaoke track.

Stephen Fry's go-to karaoke track.

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The live version from the Nightlife Tour was amazing! 
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I would not describe YOUNG OFFENDER as a warning... however this song is one of my favourites from VERY, together with Can You Forgive Her? and Go West.
In particular, I like very much the Jam & Spoon mix and I was so disappointed when it appeared just as a B-side of Liberation. YOUNG OFFENDER should have been a single, the perfect third single. In my opinion.
I was even more disappointed when Jam & Spoon sound was re-used for the single version of Yesterday, When I Was Mad. Just an attempt, in my opinion of course, to recover the lost opportunity!
In particular, I like very much the Jam & Spoon mix and I was so disappointed when it appeared just as a B-side of Liberation. YOUNG OFFENDER should have been a single, the perfect third single. In my opinion.
I was even more disappointed when Jam & Spoon sound was re-used for the single version of Yesterday, When I Was Mad. Just an attempt, in my opinion of course, to recover the lost opportunity!
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Young Offender is about a older person feeling disconnected from someone younger and wayward
No need to cast aspersions
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Young Offender finds our protagonist from Invisible, two decades earlier, at the start of the slippery slope. It's Very's Death in Venice with added consoles.
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