Wait a while longer - the failure of CTH

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Re: Wait a while longer - the failure of CTH

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telys wrote: Fri 05 Jun 2026, 10:30 pm It's not as if they didn't fail before CTH.
It Couldn't Happen Here (the film) was a failure as well.
Mind you, there was nothing wrong with making a film in 1988. It's just that it was done in the wrong way.
There was nothing wrong with a musical in 1999-2001, it's just that they failed with the story and many of the songs.
I love ICHH even if objectively it's not very good. You can see a correlation with Performance in its oddness and surrealism. I suppose I prefer them being a pop group and am generally not that bothered about their extracurricular stuff.

I didn't see either Closer to Heaven or The Most Incredible Thing and don't think I've even played the album from the latter which is pretty mad. I enjoyed A Man From the Future but am not desperate for its release.

Potemkin was great though, possibly because they had such a strong work of art to start with.

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oakey wrote: Sat 06 Jun 2026, 8:57 amThat movie is unwatchable.
I've watched it. Most than once. Great fun! But then again I like independent films, foreign films and art films, so it's in my wheelhouse.

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Patrick Bateman wrote: Sat 06 Jun 2026, 1:55 pmI didn't see either Closer to Heaven or The Most Incredible Thing and don't think I've even played the album from the latter which is pretty mad.
Acts II and III of The Most Incredible Thing contains some of the most beautiful music they've ever written. Give it a shot the next time you're cleaning the house.

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NotInvisible wrote: Sat 06 Jun 2026, 2:39 pm
Patrick Bateman wrote: Sat 06 Jun 2026, 1:55 pmI didn't see either Closer to Heaven or The Most Incredible Thing and don't think I've even played the album from the latter which is pretty mad.
Acts II and III of The Most Incredible Thing contains some of the most beautiful music they've ever written. Give it a shot the next time you're cleaning the house.
Like C2H, i saw TMBT in London and enjoyed it very much! Listen to both albums a lot too, TMBT has a very nice "soundtrack"

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From an interview with Rufus Wainwright in The Observer:

It’s two years since your musical Opening Night closed early after mixed reviews. What was that experience like?

I do not regret it in the least. I will say, though, that at the beginning Neil Tennant said to me: “Rufus, you’re all excited now, and wrapped up in the fantasy of it, but just know that when it collapses, which it probably will, there is a certain type of heartache which is reserved for people whose musicals fail, and it’s really brutal.” He was 100% correct. I never felt so low in my life.

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Patrick Bateman wrote: Sat 06 Jun 2026, 1:55 pm
telys wrote: Fri 05 Jun 2026, 10:30 pm It's not as if they didn't fail before CTH.
It Couldn't Happen Here (the film) was a failure as well.
Mind you, there was nothing wrong with making a film in 1988. It's just that it was done in the wrong way.
There was nothing wrong with a musical in 1999-2001, it's just that they failed with the story and many of the songs.
I love ICHH even if objectively it's not very good. You can see a correlation with Performance in its oddness and surrealism. I suppose I prefer them being a pop group and am generally not that bothered about their extracurricular stuff.

I didn't see either Closer to Heaven or The Most Incredible Thing and don't think I've even played the album from the latter which is pretty mad. I enjoyed A Man From the Future but am not desperate for its release.

Potemkin was great though, possibly because they had such a strong work of art to start with.
Personally I find Performance more cringeworthy than both C2H and TMBT together. I don't like the old tours where Chris is not actually playing keyboards but only miming or doing nothing.

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oakey wrote: Thu 11 Jun 2026, 5:25 pm
Patrick Bateman wrote: Sat 06 Jun 2026, 1:55 pm
telys wrote: Fri 05 Jun 2026, 10:30 pm It's not as if they didn't fail before CTH.
It Couldn't Happen Here (the film) was a failure as well.
Mind you, there was nothing wrong with making a film in 1988. It's just that it was done in the wrong way.
There was nothing wrong with a musical in 1999-2001, it's just that they failed with the story and many of the songs.
I love ICHH even if objectively it's not very good. You can see a correlation with Performance in its oddness and surrealism. I suppose I prefer them being a pop group and am generally not that bothered about their extracurricular stuff.

I didn't see either Closer to Heaven or The Most Incredible Thing and don't think I've even played the album from the latter which is pretty mad. I enjoyed A Man From the Future but am not desperate for its release.

Potemkin was great though, possibly because they had such a strong work of art to start with.
Personally I find Performance more cringeworthy than both C2H and TMBT together. I don't like the old tours where Chris is not actually playing keyboards but only miming or doing nothing.
Still waiting for a proper high quality (master quality!) release from the University tour 2002. We have three live songs on the I Get Along CD and they are great, especially Love comes quickly.
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