Things are changing

[whateverman42]

This is a real game-changer, for the first time a mainstream American media outlet has taken 9/11 conspiracies seriously.



Geraldo, who has repeatedly in the past made fun of '9/11 nutjobs', all of a sudden has an open mind. Why I think they did this is to co-opt the truth movement, the way they've used Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck to take over the tea party. They're trying to control their own opposition, and the old methods of calling conspiracists and truther's crazy are beginning to die out. The numbers are growing too fast, all the mainstream channels are in ratings decline, the alternative media is growing, so what they're doing is introducing half-truths into their programming. They will lead followers to the wrong conclusions, exactly what Glenn Beck is doing right now. Anyways, at the very least it helps legitimize truther's claims to people who only watch establishment programming, which is a good thing. We're not crazy for believing a government and satanic elites attacked us as opposed to men in caves.

[Joemoz]

Well if it's on Fox news it must be true.

[Drico One]

We're not crazy for believing a government and satanic elites attacked us as opposed to men in caves.

I don't know...I thought you were on to something with the lizards.

Drico.

[Undertaker]

I want to hear more about the 20 foot tall Lizards.

[Drico One]

Stop it, Dave. You'll draw attention to us, er, I mean them.

Drico.

[whateverman42]

Why do you associate 9/11 with lizards? Seems to me victims families and 1300 architects and engineers merit serious discussion. Your derision has been programmed into you, and I have an idea that programming is changing as they look for a different angle to effectively control people.

[Drico One]

I've explained all this to you before: you are the boy who cried lizard. That's why you're not taken seriously. To the average European, your posts are the ramblings of an inchoate fantasist. You go to the trouble of hijacking a thread on the BBC to express your contempt for that organisation, yet here you are posting more "evidence" for your illogical fantasies courtesy of Fox News, that noted bastion of reporting integrity.

Is it any wonder why you're laughed out of here by us lizards.

Drico.

[whateverman42]

I've explained all this to you before: you are the boy who cried lizard. That's why you're not taken seriously. To the average European, your posts are the ramblings of an inchoate fantasist. You go to the trouble of hijacking a thread on the BBC to express your contempt for that organisation, yet here you are posting more "evidence" for your illogical fantasies courtesy of Fox News, that noted bastion of reporting integrity.

Is it any wonder why you're laughed out of here by us lizards.

Drico.

Please find anything I typed that said I believe lizards rule us. Its simply possible like anything is possible, though its unlikely and I don't subscribe to that particular idea. Can't you see you're being unreasonable? I'm not taken seriously because controversial statements I made years ago were taken the wrong way?

You see yourself as an intellect, yet you simplify everything. I like David Icke, therefore I cried lizards. You dismiss the video by saying Fox is biased, even after I put it into context. Its not about Fox because Fox is the same as CNN and MSNBC. Its a mainstream channel owned by Rupert Murdoch, and for them to finally air a legitimate piece on 9/11 is a big deal. Anyways, all your attacks amount to is calling me crazy. I'm not articulate and I'm still relatively new to all of this, and I'm certainly not the best spokesman for these ideas, but we all have to try our best waking people up. If not for me some people here might have never looked at these issues. You have to stop focusing on me, its not about me. 1300 architects and engineers have said something is wrong in the face of ridicule, and victims families deserve recognition. Yet because I post this I get derided. This issue is not going away and its gaining momentum: forcing the mainstream to get serious about it. In the years to come as the truth becomes widespread you should remember your responses here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_opinion_polls

That's a lot of people you're dismissing.

[Drico One]

Please find anything I typed that said I believe lizards rule us. Its simply possible like anything is possible

And therein lies the problem: you are prepared to countenance the existence of 12-foot lizard overlords (in the celebrity guise of Hillary Clinton, Queen Elizabeth II, and *chokes with laughter* Boxcar Willie amongst others) as "possible like anything is possible." Well, at the risk of simplifying things again, of course it is possible - but logical rational people do not go around exaggerating that likelihood and expect to be taken remotely seriously.

Can't you see you're being unreasonable? I'm not taken seriously because controversial statements I made years ago were taken the wrong way?

Nope. You're not taken seriously because you take that ex-Coventry City reserve team goalkeeper, daytime television snooker presenter, and erstwhile shell-suit fashionista David Icke seriously. Essentially, you give more credence to the views of an entertaining crank over and above those of rational sources. You give unlikely events equality with likely and more plausible explanations. As a consequence, some of us find you amusing, but we'd never take you seriously - especially as to do so would be to endanger our reptilian control of your planet.

You see yourself as an intellect, yet you simplify everything.

I see myself as vaguely rational. If I simplify things, it's probably because I have to...

I like David Icke, therefore I cried lizards. You dismiss the video by saying Fox is biased, even after I put it into context. Its not about Fox because Fox is the same as CNN and MSNBC. Its a mainstream channel owned by Rupert Murdoch, and for them to finally air a legitimate piece on 9/11 is a big deal.

How is it legitimate? Because some sensationalist right-wing talk show crank provides a platform for conspiracy theories on a TV channel for nuts?

Anyways, all your attacks amount to is calling me crazy.

No, they don't. They amount to me suggesting that you hold crazy points of view. I don't think you're crazy - just delusional and given to over-earnest bouts of ludicrousness in the face of more rational explanations. Essentially, you're a conspiracist.

I'm not articulate and I'm still relatively new to all of this, and I'm certainly not the best spokesman for these ideas, but we all have to try our best waking people up. If not for me some people here might have never looked at these issues. You have to stop focusing on me, its not about me. 1300 architects and engineers have said something is wrong in the face of ridicule, and victims families deserve recognition. Yet because I post this I get derided. This issue is not going away and its gaining momentum: forcing the mainstream to get serious about it. In the years to come as the truth becomes widespread you should remember your responses here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_opinion_polls

That's a lot of people you're dismissing.

As the king said to the duke in Huckleberry Finn, "H'aint we got all the fools in town on our side? And ain't that a big enough majority in any town?

Drico.

[markus]

I'm curious about the goal that the truthers want to reach by all this exposing? So, if people become convinced the world is run by devil worshippers, then what? Is there supposed to happen some kind of revolution where they're replaced by who then? More people with secret agendas? Who's going to judge and say this is where we have "the good guys" let them rule the world instead? Is it worth risking chaos and collapse, anarchy? will people care? Or wont the majority just roll their eyes a bit and eventually conclude that: what matters the most is the system is working, let them do their thing as long as we have food on the table...

[whateverman42]

I'm curious about the goal that the truthers want to reach by all this exposing? So, if people become convinced the world is run by devil worshippers, then what? Is there supposed to happen some kind of revolution where they're replaced by who then? More people with secret agendas? Who's going to judge and say this is where we have "the good guys" let them rule the world instead? Is it worth risking chaos and collapse, anarchy? will people care? Or wont the majority just roll their eyes a bit and eventually conclude that: what matters the most is the system is working, let them do their thing as long as we have food on the table...

Well if you believe 9/11 was done by rich satanists who used it as a pretext to start phony wars resulting in millions of deaths... how can you not try to tell people who believe its the muslim's fault? I don't have the secret to a perfect way of governing humanity, but man you can't just give up.

JFK said democracy is never a final acheivement, it is a call to untiring effort. Even if we do awaken en masse and remove TPTB, secret societies may begin anew, but we must work to stay informed. If we don't succumb for enough generations simple evolution will take care of the problem of governance. We're still evolving, and just because we can't get communism or capitalism right doesn't mean we never will. We're only like 2,000 years old civilization-wise. But again, if we ever give up they will take control for good. Truly, if you haven't read 1984, please do, that's what's at stake.

Also, I'd prefer chaos and collapse to fluoridated water and GMO food.

"A new study in the Journal of the American Dental Association finds once again that, contrary to what most people have been told, fluoride is actually bad for teeth.

Exposure to high levels of fluoride results in a condition known as fluorosis, in which tooth enamel becomes discolored. The condition can eventually lead to badly damaged teeth. The new study found that fluoride intake during a child's first few years of life is significantly associated with fluorosis, and warned against using fluoridated water in infant formula.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is of a similar opinion. According to their website:

"Recent evidence suggests that mixing powdered or liquid infant formula concentrate with fluoridated water on a regular basis may increase the chance of a child developing ... enamel fluorosis."

Tell me again why this poison is dumped in our water? Or why the poison aspartame is sold in foods? Or why they spray us with barium and aluminum? Why they inject us with vaccines containing mercury? We're supposed to put up with this so the system can work?

I'd prefer living off the land in a local community with full freedom and health than living under a world government with a chip in my arm, under constant surveillance, getting pumped full of chemicals and poison and being dependent upon pharmaceutical company's drugs.

[markus]

Well, unfortunately for your case I'm guessing people would choose to let things run as normal, and are prepared to sacrifice many holy cows of democracy to avoid chaos. Isn't the NWO/illuminati supposed to unite the world and create world peace? Who's going to argue against that? You always have to offer people an alternative solution before anyone will listen, you can't take away something and not replace it with something. That's why I'm guessing this will remain a conspiracy theory online, nobody's going outside to demonstrate no matter what more secrets are revealed. People are basically selfish, evolving or not, if there's no gain for the individual, if it's not life threating, the big revolution wont happen. Just my thoughts.

[whateverman42]

Well, unfortunately for your case I'm guessing people would choose to let things run as normal, and are prepared to sacrifice many holy cows of democracy to avoid chaos. Isn't the NWO/illuminati supposed to unite the world and create world peace? Who's going to argue against that? You always have to offer people an alternative solution before anyone will listen, you can't take away something and not replace it with something. That's why I'm guessing this will remain a conspiracy theory online, nobody's going outside to demonstrate no matter what more secrets are revealed. People are basically selfish, evolving or not, if there's no gain for the individual, if it's not life threating, the big revolution wont happen. Just my thoughts.

I appreciate your thoughts . There is a solution though, at least in America: the Constitution. That is a damn fine document that's been gradually chipped away at. They just have to revert to their original documents. You have to understand the NWO is just a parasite which is manipulating governments for their own ends, not the people's. Expose them and make the pre-existing government work for us. Staying informed and not getting distracted by Paris Hilton will be effective defense.

And they say uniting the world is for peace and harmony, but it will be just the opposite. Everything they do they front it with lies. They make up global warming and tell us carbon taxes will save the drownding polar bears. The put fluoride in the water and tell us its good for teeth. They spray chemtrails, and when that becomes declassified they'll say it was to combat global warming, not to spray heavy metals on us. The UN is to preserve peace, rather than act as a center to control humanity.

Finally, the revolution has already begun. That's why I posted the video, we're forcing the mainstream to talk about real issues. The Fed has taken a prominent role in political discussion, whereas just a decade ago noone talked about it. Bilderberg was thought not to exist til the 90's. What about the riots in France and Germany last week? Or the riot at the Tory headquarters in England? I think we've reached the tipping point.

[York Minster]

I appreciate your thoughts . There is a solution though, at least in America: the Constitution. That is a damn fine document that's been gradually chipped away at. They just have to revert to their original documents. You have to understand the NWO is just a parasite which is manipulating governments for their own ends, not the people's. Expose them and make the pre-existing government work for us. Staying informed and not getting distracted by Paris Hilton will be effective defense.

OK, I was going to stay out of this, because it goes nowhere and you can't be convinced otherwise. I'm surprised Drico went to the lengths he did here. But with your comments on the Constitution, it shows how you are truly out of your mind on something that has strong historical documentation. That document was formed by 55 or so people who had differing personalities and ideas. They came to a compromise. If you think original intent (i.e. the Constitution has a literal meaning, and we can figure it out) is true, I will take you down a peg or 9 on that. The framers, as smart as they were supposedly (remember, some of the framers did NOT sign the document), left out a bill of rights. It was the ANTI-federalists who wanted it, and they only wanted it as a ploy to get a new convention. If not for the work of Madison pushing through the bill of 12 (only 10 passed) rights, we wouldn't have those enumerated. And yet, how much do we know of discussion of the bill of rights in the congress? Almost nothing, reporting was extremely scarce. You might perhaps claim that you can understand the true nature of what the founding fathers were after. In some cases, yes. In others, not even close. What DOES the second amendment mean? It's an amalgamation. Both sides are right, and both wrong.

I'm sorry, but anyone who starts talking like a "tea partiest", that all we need is the damn constitution back in power, just has no clue what they are talking about. In the meantime, I will hope you misspoke or wrote poorly. Feel free to clarify.

[Deschanel]

"Please find anything I typed that said I believe lizards rule us. Its simply possible like anything is possible, though its unlikely and I don't subscribe to that particular idea. "

Uh, you still think it's possible, if unlikely. Aside from that crazy-ass nonsense , I really wish Teabaggers who ALL fancy themselves experts on the Constitution would just go die of their own lunacy and hypocrisy. Yeah, they love and worship the US Constitution so much that they can't wait to shred it, amend it, change it . It's a rough draft! to them, for the fuhuct dumb-ass brutal plutocracy they would love to create.

Lizard people. How about the supperrich owners of society playing you rubes like puppets? It amazes me that you see conspiracy everywhere, when the real, actual conspiracy is in front of your fvking face. The rich are dismantling American society and stealing every penny right in front of our eyes, and you blame Obama and entertain the idea of satanic lizard people. Which is my impression of everyone on Fox News, where you seem to get some of your information. No wonder the right-wing Republicans have waged war against education for decades-they get their Idiocracy, a nation of home-schooled mouth breathers who will accept any bullshit shoved their way. God help us all.