Morrissey versus PSB

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Joemoz · #16 Post by **Joemoz** » Sun 09 Apr 2006, 10:25 pm

Technotrancemix wrote:Success doesn't always mean better musically

You don't say? So you don't prefer Britney Spears to Pet Shop Boys?

zazou · #17 Post by **zazou** » Sun 09 Apr 2006, 10:28 pm

We're not famous, Robbie Williams is famous.
He can't leave his house, can he? Not leave his front door.

gareth · #18 Post by **gareth** » Sun 09 Apr 2006, 10:28 pm

stew wrote:exactly.......

You're pretty much aguing against yourself here.

As has already been said, far from being "just wierd init", the man is more popular than our beloved PSB!

Undertaker · #19 Post by **Undertaker** » Sun 09 Apr 2006, 10:41 pm

At this current time, Morrissey is bigger than PSB but over the test of time, there is no contest. Morrissey is simply not in the same league. How many years was it between studio albums? Eight? Nine? He is so popular over the past 2 years mainly because he's made a comeback after being a nobody for nearly a decade.

Dave

DazzerUKUK · #20 Post by **DazzerUKUK** » Sun 09 Apr 2006, 10:53 pm

It will be interesting however, now that downloads have been included in the album charts from this week, to see whether that pushes PSB further up the charts.........

jmh · #21 Post by **jmh** » Sun 09 Apr 2006, 10:55 pm

i think it was neil who described the psb as 'the smiths you can dance to', in an nme interview c1988. hardly a dispassionate appraisal.

Syncratic · #22 Post by **Syncratic** » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 12:06 am

nickname wrote:Is him more famous and has more fanbase than PSB?. He is number one in the uk albums chart.

I don't know what point you're making. You're making no sense. Is this relevant to anything?

Nickname · #23 Post by **Nickname** » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 12:31 am

I wanted to know the possibilities of PSB on album charts. I've always thought Morrisey and PSB had similar sales (maybe he could be a little reference to know the possibilities of PSB).

the last call · #24 Post by **the last call** » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 12:35 am

Morrissey has done good album and had not much competition this week. Easy as it is.

Technotrancemix · #25 Post by **Technotrancemix** » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 1:23 am

Joemoz wrote:You don't say? So you don't prefer Britney Spears to Pet Shop Boys?

If you think I like Britney, then I'll give you the number to the nearest Health Clinic

Butters · #26 Post by **Butters** » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 2:18 am

And Chris said (cirka Release) 'We're the Radiohead you can listen to'

jmh wrote:i think it was neil who described the psb as 'the smiths you can dance to', in an nme interview c1988. hardly a dispassionate appraisal.

TrasTornado · #27 Post by **TrasTornado** » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 5:09 am

Well... they somehow got confronted here at the end of 2004, at Personal Fest. I can´t find the review of Morrissey from Clarín (the most famous newspapper here), but this is the one for Pet Shop Boys (on friday; Morrissey played on saturday):
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2004/11/08 ... -00601.htm
(Excelente)

I've also found this, don't know if you already know... but here it goes

.........

Morrissey va a tocar aquí en el mismo festival que ustedes. ¿Qué opinás de él como ícono de la melancolía y la frustración amorosa?

(Morrissey is going to play here at the same festival as you. What do you think of him as an icon of melancoly (sadness?) and love frustation?)

Y es un clásico.

(He's Classic)

Igual que los Pet Shop Boys...

(Just as Pet Shop boys...)

No, un tipo diferente de clásico. Es clásico en el sentido de que hace lo que hace: Morrissey hace discos Morrissey. Mientras que nosotros, para bien o para mal, tratamos de experimentar dentro del marco de la música pop. Creo que te sorprenderías si te enteraras de que Morrissey va a hacer un concierto gratuito o la música de El acorazado Potemkin.

(No, in a different way. He's classic because he does what he does: Morrissey makes Morrissey discs, while we, for better or worst, try to experiment inside pop music. I believe you would be surprised if you know that Morrissey does a free concert or the music for Battleship Potemkin)

Pero a veces ustedes son más pesimistas que él. Por ejemplo, cuando cantás que el amor es una catástrofe en "Release" (2002).

(But sometimes you are more (sad, negative... pesimists?) than him. For example, when you "understand" that "Love is a catastrophe" in "Release"...)

Por momentos me siento la "Reina del dramón" (risas). Pero en serio, cuando te enamorás es asombroso cómo se transforma tu vida, para mejor y para peor. Uno espera que sea para mejor pero a veces no funciona. Yo quería describir los detalles físicos de cómo es sentirse así mientras me estaba pasando. Fue interesante, pero muy doloroso.

(Sometimes I feel "The Drama Queen" (laughing). But actually, when you fell in love is amazing how your life changes, for better or worst. You expect it for better but sometimes it doesn't work. I wanted to explain the physical details of being like that while that was happening to me. It was interesting, but very painful.)

http://www.clarin.com/diario/2004/11/05 ... -00811.htm

..............

Sorry for weird English!

VinnyM27 · #28 Post by **VinnyM27** » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 5:28 am

jmh wrote:He's not as famous, IMHO, but he has a very loyal fanbase.

Not sure about the rest of the world, but more famous in America. He isn't breaking the charts here (his album might hit the top ten with little effort but there isn't a lot out either) but when you say the name Morrissey, people have some idea who you're talking about. He might be a bigger pop culture reference than being known for his music. I think the studio release before this last one was really well promoted and did well enough. There used to be a late night talk show host here that would mention him a lot and I think that helped his celebrity a lot. If only PSB had that going for them.....

VinnyM27 · #29 Post by **VinnyM27** » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 5:33 am

Joemoz wrote:Morrissey is clearly bigger than Pet Shop Boys. End of story.

Look at it: His album is number one in the UK. The last was number two. How well did PSB's last two albums do? His latest single went number one in the US, number 3 in the UK. He's been on the cover of every music magazine in the world within the last couple of months.

Apart from that he plays sold out concerts across the world - sellling out all venues in the UK in minutes.

And all that is even without mentioning how influential The Smiths are considered these days. And how many incredibly fanatic fans he has. How many Pet Shop Boys tattoos have you seen? I think there must be thousands of Morrissey tattoos out there.

Sorry to say it, but there's no real contest.

Not sure what charts you're talking about but unless it's the modern rock chart, there is less than no way that Morriessey had a number one single in America. Pop artists can barely get a number one single anymore...It's all hip-hop or heavily hiip-hop influenced (Mariah, etc.). Actually, a few slow rock songs like "Bad Day" (which I remember was a freee Itunes download many months ago) and "You're Beautiful" have recently hit number one, maybe proving there is a possiblity of changing tastes after years of hip-hop overkill....but I can't imagine Morrissey topping the charts. Older artists only do well on the album charts here and hardly even bother releasing singles to the radio with the hope of reaching the Top 40 stations, which other than the country stations, are the only stations that create hits anymore. Things are making a shift becuase of the digital single, though (which will probably help PSB a lot).

Morrissey last number one (on the modern rock chart) was the monster "The More You Ignore Me..." which came out at the height of the alt rock movement here (it hit number 46 on the BIllboard 100, his only song to do so).

Great, now I want to buy a Morrissey CD....

OK, now I see. He had the number one selling single but you have to keep in mind, that doesn't mean a whole lot because we hardly have sell through singles anymore. Also, having a hit "sell-through" unless you're an American Idol (and they seell them by the crate) it doesn't mean much. It's sold to a very limited audience. I went nuts looking for a copy of Madonna's "Sorry", which was a number one selling single not because they stores can keep them in stock...because so few carry them and those that do only keep a few copies. I have yet to find a copy of Prince's "Black Sweat" and that was a big selling sinlge.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be a jerk....It's just that our chart system sucks here and I would have to say that the UK (and probably most other countries) are much more fair and accurate...Thanks for letting me go on and on....

Eldritch · #30 Post by **Eldritch** » Mon 10 Apr 2006, 6:48 am

Undertaker wrote:At this current time, Morrissey is bigger than PSB but over the test of time, there is no contest. Morrissey is simply not in the same league. How many years was it between studio albums? Eight? Nine? He is so popular over the past 2 years mainly because he's made a comeback after being a nobody for nearly a decade.

Dave

Maladjusted was released in the fall of 1997, You Are The Quarry in the spring of 2004. So that makes six and half years. But other than that, Moz has been very prolific. Between 1988-2006 he has released 8 studio albums plus several non-album singles and compilations.

Despite his slump in the late nineties, Morrissey is a cultural icon in the way our boys will never be. There is an aura of greatness around him that's the sign of a true legend. Moz already has a place in the pop history and is of far bigger importance than his record sales indicate.

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