Neil in interview about ID-cards

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gomorrah · #46 Post by **gomorrah** » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 2:25 pm

^ I agree. and it's not just a matter of 'done nothing wrong and have nothing to fear'. it's a matter of

1) living in a policed society. and believe me, unless you've lived in one, you have no idea what it's truly like.

and 2) what the ID card system could lead to in terms of civil and human rights. what is 'wrong'? who's defining it? when you give in to this, you let the government wrest what little control you still have over your life and your actions and destiny.

the whole thing sends shivers up my spine.

No Muscle Mary · #47 Post by **No Muscle Mary** » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 2:53 pm

Flaffer wrote:
No Muscle Mary wrote:
LoveComesQuickly wrote: Ireland. And "artists" pay reduced taxes there I think.
Artists pay no tax here at all.

I'm telling ya Neil, you're sorted. You can hang around with your best buddy Bono too.
didn't Saint Bono threaten to leave the country if he had to start paying taxes, I'm sure I read an article a few months ago relating to attempts to close this loophole in the law

Don't know if Saint Bono threatend to leave but yes, there are attempts to close this loophole. The people in this country who have the most money pay the least tax.

The intention day one may have been to help out poor struggling artists, but before you knew it, all these rich musicians moved in. They should have set a limit on the amount you could earn tax-free.

Enya, The Corrs and U2 are laughing anyway.

Undertaker · #48 Post by **Undertaker** » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 3:14 pm

If i was to get asked for an I.D card, i wouldn't show it because i wont be getting one unless i get it for free. I'm not paying for something i dont need because the country has got out of hand. Are these cards main principle to lower the risk of terrorism? I've lived here all my life and i'm not about to blow up innocent people. How about the government start getting a grip and finding the 300,000 illegal immigrants in the U.K that they were going to deport but have dissapeared.

Also, would i be able to go up to a policeman, the queen or MI5 and ask to see their I.D card? After all, they are a big a risk as i am.

It's just another scam to cream billions of pounds out of everyone.

Dave

Dipso · #49 Post by **Dipso** » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 3:21 pm

No Muscle Mary wrote:
Don't know if Saint Bono threatened to leave but yes, there are attempts to close this loophole. The people in this country who have the most money pay the least tax.

The intention day one may have been to help out poor struggling artists, but before you knew it, all these rich musicians moved in. They should have set a limit on the amount you could earn tax-free.

Enya, The Corrs and U2 are laughing anyway.

So, Bono et al pay no Irish tax, but someone who works in a shop does? Good Lord, that's unbelievable.

No Muscle Mary · #50 Post by **No Muscle Mary** » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 3:31 pm

Dipso wrote:
No Muscle Mary wrote:
Don't know if Saint Bono threatened to leave but yes, there are attempts to close this loophole. The people in this country who have the most money pay the least tax.

The intention day one may have been to help out poor struggling artists, but before you knew it, all these rich musicians moved in. They should have set a limit on the amount you could earn tax-free.

Enya, The Corrs and U2 are laughing anyway.
So, Bono et al pay no Irish tax, but someone who works in a shop does? Good Lord, that's unbelievable.

You would be shocked at some of the things that go on with the government in this country. Neil would have a field day if he lived here.

The stud industry here isn't taxed either. It's a scandal!

Synature · #51 Post by **Synature** » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 4:31 pm

After reading the article that "diana" linked to in the first post I can now say that I would not be in favor of the proposed ID card. I wouldn't trust anyone to be in charge of that kind of information. The possibility for misuse is just too risky. I think some form of ID is necessary however the one in question seems like a totalitarian measure that would strip the public of any privacy.

a powerful friend · Mon 03 Jul 2006, 10:38 pm

StevePSB wrote:
Do you have something to hide Mr Tennant?

That he shops at Waitrose on King's Road?

Anyway, the interview didn't really say it's Neil Tennant of the Pet Shop Boys. Could be another former Labour Party donor opposed to ID cards and whose name coincidentally happened to be Neil Tennant.

Trixiemix · #53 Post by **Trixiemix** » Mon 03 Jul 2006, 11:41 pm

Yes....it did !!

One of these is the national ID card scheme, opposition to which brings together such disparate figures as the Earl of Onslow, a Conservative peer of the realm; Commander George Churchill-Coleman, the famous head of New Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist unit during the worst years of IRA bombings; and Neil Tennant, one half of the hugely successful pop group Pet Shop Boys.

#54 Post by **StevePSB** » Wed 05 Jul 2006, 10:03 pm

Syncratic wrote: Along with Steve PSB, you're almost at the top of the basic logic ladder.

As far as I am concerned, if you've got nothing to hide, you really have got nothing to fear.

I'm sure ID card or not, the powers that be could probably already tell us more about ourselves than even we know.

What's so bad about being asked to show a card with proof of who you are on it? Why do some people insist on making a big thing of it, and acting all hard done by? Why are so many people in this country so anti when there are many other countries using the system with no real problems or cries of human rights/privacy violation?

I get to read silly little things all the time on another (car) forum I'm on. Things such as wanting to put number plates on their car which contravene the relevant legislation (illegal fonts, spacing, colours etc...). They know it's illegal, but they just can't comply and then act all hard done by when they get pulled by the police. Why? Just adhere to the particular law and there are no problems. I see parallels with the ID card debate.

Some people IMHO have a really hard time with authority and complying with simple, easily adhered to rules. I'm definitely not one of them and I've never made cause for any authority to go delving into my details and therefore I don't feel in the slightest as though any of my rights have been violated. I'm sure nothing would change under an ID card system. Strikes me the whole situation would be like the 'Millennium bug' - huge problem before, no problem after. For the record, I'm not pro ID cards, but if they become law they become law and I wouldn't have much of an issue with having to have one.

Anyway, just MHO and I don't want to delve further into a political argument on a Pet Shop Boys forum.

StevePSB

Technotrancemix · Wed 05 Jul 2006, 11:13 pm

I'd get an ID card, only if I didn't have to pay for it

Hillbilly · #56 Post by **Hillbilly** » Thu 06 Jul 2006, 2:42 pm

Chuiperdu wrote:Is there actually another european country where ID card does not exist ? I guess in Scandinavia...but apart from that ?

Do you mean that passports and driver's licenses are not ID cards? It works for us, so it should work for you. And concerning that "own number" that Neil sings about, it's an ancient thing here! Realise that Great Britain is old-fashioned and not up-to-date. Heck, you're still not driving on the right (=right) side of the road!

Hillbilly · #57 Post by **Hillbilly** » Thu 06 Jul 2006, 2:48 pm

Tau wrote: why? so what if a policeman just asks you for your ID card.It's not like there's your whole biography on that ID card.Just name,surname,date of birth,sex and citizenship. Is that such a big problem to show it?

Exactly! The same details are on my driver's licence, which I sometimes have to show, like when I pay with a credit card or to show my age. No big deal.

So what's the difference between this ID card and your passport or driver's license?

Dipso · #58 Post by **Dipso** » Thu 06 Jul 2006, 2:56 pm

Hillbilly wrote:
Tau wrote: why? so what if a policeman just asks you for your ID card.It's not like there's your whole biography on that ID card.Just name,surname,date of birth,sex and citizenship. Is that such a big problem to show it?
Exactly! The same details are on my driver's licence, which I sometimes have to show, like when I pay with a credit card or to show my age. No big deal.

So what's the difference between this ID card and your passport or driver's license?

For a start, biometric data (fingerprints, retinal scan), national insurance number, all previous addresses.

Britons will also have to pay quite a healthy sum of money to obtain the card, even though it will be compulsory.

If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear? I wonder if the bloke who was shot in his own home by police in East London a few weeks ago sees it like that?

DavePSB · #59 Post by **DavePSB** » Thu 06 Jul 2006, 3:06 pm

karmavore wrote:I hate cops.

Nice.

glennjridge · #60 Post by **glennjridge** » Thu 06 Jul 2006, 5:49 pm

dont worry. all the really scary big brother stuff will probably happen after our generation is dead and buried.