flaffer wrote:
From definepsbs statement I cannot see there was an advocation of punishing a whole race/religion just those involved in terrorism
Thank you flaffer!
It appears there are several misunderstandings between many of us replying here. I am guilty of that too!
Thats the WORST thing about cold black type on a white page, the feeling, emotion and intention NEVER comes across they way one wishes it too!
My own words:
Any one hoarding or hiding parts of what can become a lethal explosive item, deserves the harshest punishment that is available. ( In fact, it's a pity they don't manage to accidentally kill themselves without harm to innocent by-standers)IMO
Having lost friends to IRA and 'real IRA' activities. Have lost friends and have maimed friends from The Admiral Duncan nail bomb. I have NO qualm about saying that who so ever plays a part in anything of that nature such be removed from society, dumped on remote island and left there to 'survive' or die ! IMO
Ist Paragraph : I do believe that ANY person who conceals, hoards and purchases materials with the intention of making explosive devices, or partakes in the making of the parts thereof--- SHOULD be given the harshest punishment. If that punishment is the accidental detonation of said explosive, which then kills it's maker(s) TOUGH! --- and please God or whoever that WE do not then make 'heros' of them!
Those caught and found guilty of taking part in anything like that ought to be taken off to a remote island and left there to 'survive' --- Slapping them in prison is (IMO) too good for them!
2nd paragraph : I used the example of IRA and The Admiral Duncan Nail bombing as EXAMPLES! If some one took that as an offensive or sectarian remark then i am very sorry!
I doubt that too many forum members live in such isolation that, at some point in our lives, we have NOT had some kind of bomb scare, terrorist threat (or worse) happen very near to us-- or a close friend or family member.
The unfortunate thing is that innocent people often become the 'victim' of police investigation --- better that than be an innocent victim of a bomb!!
There are those who say that a stop and search proceedure is an infringement of civil rights, that the 'authority' is picking on specific 'groups'. Yes I know that in some places the police do appear to pick out ethnic minorities --- BUT, if WE are innocent and have nothing to hide then what is the problem? The problem could be that in some countries those innocent folk may be thrown in jail, for no reason at all.
Yes that does happen. It shouldn't but it does.
I don't know what the solution is for all the trouble and wars in our world.
Does anyone? Do any of the Politicians and world leaders know the answer? I doubt it!
Governments make rules and legislation to attempt to keep the peace within their country. People break those rules!
Bit like this forum really, looking at the debate over the 'New Rules and terms of use'. What ever we do in our lives we are governed by a set of rules! We are, afterall, humans and individuals we may share common ideas and ideals but will we ever see this planet at peace?
You, the reader, might think I have wandered off the thread but :
How many of you, the readers, have children of your own? Or have young brothers and sisters? Perhaps neices and nephews or even a friend who has children??
How many of you, the readers, have bought or passed on toys to those children? Toys that are for 'play-fighting' like Action Man, mock pistols? Six-shooters, computer games where the main aim is to destroy the target, Conquer the Empire or what ever? Those are all games, but it seems that there is now a VERY small thin line between games and reality!
How many times have we seen news footage of children in third world countries carrying real guns and rifles? For them it is not a game, it's part of their life!
So what can we do about it?
Make some rules to allow people to search out information about other people, who may or may not be involved in some subversive activity! At which point some people will complain that those searches are intrusive and injust! It's like going round in circles and getting nowhere!
To say this is 2004 we seem, as the human race, not to have gone beyond the neolithic stage in many respects! ( IMO) i'll shut up now. Sorry!
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It would seem electing a 'New' Government has not been much different so far ! Which goes to prove that Terrorists might want to give a particular Religious OR Political excuse for their activity......but deep down these individuals are nothing but Criminals. They will find ANY reason to cause Havoc.