Pet Shop Boys talk about the terrorist massacre in Moscow on the official Twitter account

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Patrick Bateman wrote: Mon 25 Mar 2024, 3:33 pm The attack poses a dilemma, frequent in the West, for liberals like Neil. Putin's your bogeyman, so what happens when Putin's country is attacked by other (anti-gay, anti-democratic) forces? It's one they have yet to resolve.


The point is that it is obvious that the attack was carried out by radical Islamic terrorists, but for some reason they are not very willing to talk about it. It is tense that the terrorists were living a normal life, working somewhere, even having families, and at one point they took automatic rifles and started beating people. Now the national and religious issue is carefully avoided, because it is very dangerous.

The huge problem is that when the USSR collapsed, the republics that gained independence hoped for democracy and prosperity, but it did not turn out that way. In Tajikistan they are trying to contain radical Islam, but it is infiltrated from Afghanistan and there are a lot of problems because of that. Now citizens from the former Soviet republics go to Russia, but not always they adapt and lead a peaceful way of life.

The difference between Russia and Europe is the attitude towards migrants - in Russia nobody pays any benefits to migrants, nobody gives them flats. If you want to survive, you have to work!

In Sweden, every 5th inhabitant is a migrant and of course everyone is afraid that it will be like in Paris, where the police are afraid to come to some neighbourhoods.

In Russia, people live under stress. Some people have left Russia, but they are not better off because a foreign culture and language is still a foreign culture. Someone settled in Dubai or America.....

For example, in the USA it is not customary to get to know a woman on the street, otherwise she can sue you for harassment - this is alien to Russia. And how else to approach a girl for acquaintance? Or you have to smile at everyone all the time - this is not customary in Russia. Money transfers are all long. Neighbours in Europe snitch on each other.

I have an acquaintance in Munich works, told me that neighbours called the police because his window lamp was burning brightly and the cat went onto the neighbour's balcony! They threatened to evict him if he interfered. In Russia, this is solved more easily. You go to your neighbour, tell him everything directly or punch him in the face if he doesn't understand.
When I first came to Finland, it was a shock. Everyone in the shops smiles, asking what they can do to help. This is not always the case here. My first thought was: Are they even adequate? Smiling at strangers for no reason. And in Turkey, for example, sellers grab your hand or pinch you so that you pay attention to his goods - this is not our custom. People here value personal space and it is not customary to kiss like in France.


In Europe it is not customary to punish children - they can take them away, but in Russia they punish children.

Relations between people in Russia are more direct and honest. This has both minuses and pluses, as honesty puts many things in their proper place.

And in the case of the terrorists - they led ordinary lives, came from Tajikistan and at some point became killers, as if the devil had entered them. But it was hard to tell from their behaviour what they might do the next day, because they have a different mentality altogether, and as it turned out, a simple hairdresser was turned into a serial killer.

The mentality of Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Molodovans is similar, but the southern republics are different.

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Parkol wrote: Mon 25 Mar 2024, 6:05 pm
Patrick Bateman wrote: Mon 25 Mar 2024, 3:33 pm The attack poses a dilemma, frequent in the West, for liberals like Neil. Putin's your bogeyman, so what happens when Putin's country is attacked by other (anti-gay, anti-democratic) forces? It's one they have yet to resolve.


The point is that it is obvious that the attack was carried out by radical Islamic terrorists, but for some reason they are not very willing to talk about it. It is tense that the terrorists were living a normal life, working somewhere, even having families, and at one point they took automatic rifles and started beating people. Now the national and religious issue is carefully avoided, because it is very dangerous.

The huge problem is that when the USSR collapsed, the republics that gained independence hoped for democracy and prosperity, but it did not turn out that way. In Tajikistan they are trying to contain radical Islam, but it is infiltrated from Afghanistan and there are a lot of problems because of that. Now citizens from the former Soviet republics go to Russia, but not always they adapt and lead a peaceful way of life.

The difference between Russia and Europe is the attitude towards migrants - in Russia nobody pays any benefits to migrants, nobody gives them flats. If you want to survive, you have to work!

In Sweden, every 5th inhabitant is a migrant and of course everyone is afraid that it will be like in Paris, where the police are afraid to come to some neighbourhoods.

In Russia, people live under stress. Some people have left Russia, but they are not better off because a foreign culture and language is still a foreign culture. Someone settled in Dubai or America.....

For example, in the USA it is not customary to get to know a woman on the street, otherwise she can sue you for harassment - this is alien to Russia. And how else to approach a girl for acquaintance? Or you have to smile at everyone all the time - this is not customary in Russia. Money transfers are all long. Neighbours in Europe snitch on each other.

I have an acquaintance in Munich works, told me that neighbours called the police because his window lamp was burning brightly and the cat went onto the neighbour's balcony! They threatened to evict him if he interfered. In Russia, this is solved more easily. You go to your neighbour, tell him everything directly or punch him in the face if he doesn't understand.
When I first came to Finland, it was a shock. Everyone in the shops smiles, asking what they can do to help. This is not always the case here. My first thought was: Are they even adequate? Smiling at strangers for no reason. And in Turkey, for example, sellers grab your hand or pinch you so that you pay attention to his goods - this is not our custom. People here value personal space and it is not customary to kiss like in France.


In Europe it is not customary to punish children - they can take them away, but in Russia they punish children.

Relations between people in Russia are more direct and honest. This has both minuses and pluses, as honesty puts many things in their proper place.

And in the case of the terrorists - they led ordinary lives, came from Tajikistan and at some point became killers, as if the devil had entered them. But it was hard to tell from their behaviour what they might do the next day, because they have a different mentality altogether, and as it turned out, a simple hairdresser was turned into a serial killer.

The mentality of Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Molodovans is similar, but the southern republics are different.
A short essay on religion, terrorism, migration, cultural diversity, etc. :-/

Essentially, your text serves as a reminder that while our world is wonderfully diverse, it is also full of misunderstandings that can lead to conflict, and sometimes laughter is the only option to close the gap?!

Just be careful not to laugh too loudly in Munich; You don't want the neighbors to call the police again. 😉

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Parkol wrote: Mon 25 Mar 2024, 6:05 pmFor example, in the USA it is not customary to get to know a woman on the street, otherwise she can sue you for harassment
This is absolutely untrue. Where did you get this crazy idea?

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It’s interesting, and unsurprising, just how wrong Parkol’s knowledge of other countries, how they work, and what they are like to live in is. And it’s not just a Russia thing… many of their misconceptions are commonly held by people all over the west. Misinformation is rife. And deliberately created and spread.

Cue an Adam Curtis documentary…

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Parkol wrote: Mon 25 Mar 2024, 6:05 pm
In Europe it is not customary to punish children - they can take them away, but in Russia they punish children.
Do you mean punish them in a legal/criminal sense, or are you just talking about parents punishing misbehaving children?

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Nicholas wrote: Mon 25 Mar 2024, 8:35 pm
Parkol wrote: Mon 25 Mar 2024, 6:05 pm
In Europe it is not customary to punish children - they can take them away, but in Russia they punish children.
Do you mean punish them in a legal/criminal sense, or are you just talking about parents punishing misbehaving children?
From context I assume he means beating them.

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#37 Post by StevePSB »

Moved to off topic as it was tenuous to start with and has developed as would be expected.

Any more of the kind of stuff Drico has removed will lead to further measures being taken.


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Spittingcat wrote: Mon 25 Mar 2024, 7:49 pm It’s interesting, and unsurprising, just how wrong Parkol’s knowledge of other countries, how they work, and what they are like to live in is. And it’s not just a Russia thing… many of their misconceptions are commonly held by people all over the west. Misinformation is rife. And deliberately created and spread.

Cue an Adam Curtis documentary…
NotInvisible wrote: Mon 25 Mar 2024, 7:38 pm This is absolutely untrue. Where did you get this crazy idea?
I was in the US and an American friend of mine was telling me about it. Moreover, he is a biology teacher at a school. in Washington state and he said that on Facebook he cannot add his students as friends because he could be accused of paedophilia. Those are his words, not mine.
ubik wrote: Mon 25 Mar 2024, 7:04 pm Just be careful not to laugh too loudly in Munich; You don't want the neighbors to call the police again.
I'm afraid to even think about it. But I like order better than disorder. For example, the way of driving in Europe is much better than in Russia.
Nicholas wrote: Mon 25 Mar 2024, 8:35 pm Do you mean punish them in a legal/criminal sense, or are you just talking about parents punishing misbehaving children?
Not hitting a child, but punishing them with a word or action. Make them think about what they have done. Put the child in a corner, for example, so that he/she stands and thinks about his/her behaviour.
Spittingcat wrote: Mon 25 Mar 2024, 7:49 pm It’s interesting, and unsurprising, just how wrong Parkol’s knowledge of other countries, how they work, and what they are like to live in is. And it’s not just a Russia thing… many of their misconceptions are commonly held by people all over the west. Misinformation is rife. And deliberately created and spread.

Cue an Adam Curtis documentary…
I don't know who Adam Curtis is, but I enjoyed watching Sacha Baron Cohen. As for my knowledge of the world - I have visited many countries in my life from the USA to Brazil, from England to Tanzania, Australia, Philippines, etc.

In all countries I have met a huge number of wonderful people.

I am not trying to criticise, we have much to learn. I am talking about the differences.

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#39 Post by Spittingcat »

We all have much to learn. Not singling you out.

Adam Curtis is well worth checking out… start with this one (but all his documentaries are worth watching)…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p ... malisation

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6156350/

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